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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 22:24:31 GMT 1
Be intersting to see how it will go.
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Post by salop27 on Oct 30, 2019 22:43:10 GMT 1
Vote for Conservative is a vote to get brexit done. A vote for Labour, Lib Dem or Brexit Party is a vote to stop brexit. Obviously more then just one issue at this election but compared to 2017 there is a clear difference in policy between the two biggest parties when it comes to the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 23:07:53 GMT 1
Definitely time for a change.
Let's get back to Social Democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 23:15:33 GMT 1
Vote for Brexit Party is a vote to stop brexit. Interesting idea. I thought brexit meant brexit. But voting for the one party whose only real policy is to leave the eu is a vote to stop brexit? That’s very confusing!?
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Post by venceremos on Oct 30, 2019 23:22:52 GMT 1
Vote for Conservative is a vote to get brexit done. A vote for Labour, Lib Dem or Brexit Party is a vote to stop brexit. Obviously more then just one issue at this election but compared to 2017 there is a clear difference in policy between the two biggest parties when it comes to the EU. There are so many reasons to not vote Conservative - is Cummings or Johnson in charge, by the way? Same difference, I suppose - but that one’s a corker. C’mon Shrewsbury, this is your chance to send dimwit Danny back to Saudi or Poland or whichever foreign government he’s working with at the moment. Here in North Shropshire, we can only dream of ditching Owen “only a madman would leave the market” Paterson. But hope is eternal.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 30, 2019 23:30:50 GMT 1
Vote for Conservative is a vote to get brexit done. A vote for Labour, Lib Dem or Brexit Party is a vote to stop brexit. Obviously more then just one issue at this election but compared to 2017 there is a clear difference in policy between the two biggest parties when it comes to the EU. Out of interest, have you ever had an original thought?
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 31, 2019 0:37:22 GMT 1
Vote for Brexit Party is a vote to stop brexit. Interesting idea. I thought brexit meant brexit. But voting for the one party whose only real policy is to leave the eu is a vote to stop brexit? That’s very confusing!? I imagine there will be a lot of voters thinking tactically about their seat, across the country. Let’s be honest when using FPTP system, a vote for the BP in Shrewsbury and Atcham is a vote closer to labour winning the seat
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 31, 2019 7:56:59 GMT 1
Less than one page in and the tone is already set, who would have thought... So I guess here we go again. Can't vote but with that said, just as long as its not Corbyn and Labour I'll be happy. As to how it will play out, Lord knows. As always, so many factors... The Tories have been in government for a long time and that will go against them. Don't think you can underestimate that. All the parties are pretty s**t and a case can be made for each and every one of them as to why they shouldn’t be anywhere near government. The leaders of all the mainstream parties have pretty dismal personal approval ratings. Johnson isn't going to hide like May did but he is more likely to put his foot in it at some point along the way. Brexit could well mean that in certain areas the remain vote will be split and in others, the leave vote will be split. The 2016 referendum saw people vote who hardly ever vote or saw people vote for the first time, whether the political parties can get those people out again to vote is far from guaranteed (and it will be more important for the Tories that they do). Disillusionment could well play a part, the actions of MP’s since the referendum result could have turned people off politics for life . An awful lot of people might now think it’s simply not worth voting again. Getting people out to vote once again for whatever cause will be a challenge. The fact that its in December may also have an impact on the numbers who will vote.
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Oct 31, 2019 8:33:19 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 8:33:19 GMT 1
Interesting idea. I thought brexit meant brexit. But voting for the one party whose only real policy is to leave the eu is a vote to stop brexit? That’s very confusing!? I imagine there will be a lot of voters thinking tactically about their seat, across the country. Let’s be honest when using FPTP system, a vote for the BP in Shrewsbury and Atcham is a vote closer to labour winning the seat If the Brexit Party only contest Labour leave seats, then it will be a straight race between Labour and the Tory Party in Shrewsbury and Atcham.
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Oct 31, 2019 10:03:45 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 31, 2019 10:03:45 GMT 1
Disillusionment could well play a part, the actions of MP’s since the referendum result could have turned people off politics for life . An awful lot of people might now think it’s simply not worth voting again. Getting people out to vote once again for whatever cause will be a challenge. This for sure. Cant imagine how many peopled are completely disillusioned by politics after the shambles of thr last few years. For me i just shudder to think what a laughing stick we will be should Corbyn win. But hey, the US got Trump so who knows. They day you get what you deserve.
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Post by electrum on Oct 31, 2019 10:35:17 GMT 1
No idea what to do.
Just the very thought that whatever I do is likely to contribute to either Johnson or Corbyn having a (real) mandate to run this country as our Prime Minister fills me with deep and utter despair.
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Post by champagneprince on Oct 31, 2019 10:47:06 GMT 1
Undecided at present - I won't vote Labour under Corbyn's rule, otherwise they'd have got my vote. The alternative is Boris.
I mean FFS, this is worse than Trump vs Clinton.
Looks like I'll be looking elsewhere, see who bothers to knock on my door and convinces me they want to really make a difference.
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Oct 31, 2019 11:08:35 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Oct 31, 2019 11:08:35 GMT 1
Can't vote but with that said, just as long as its not Corbyn and Labour I'll be happy... That's one down then. Now it needs a surge of people saying can vote and anyone as long as it's not Johnson (and Cummings, who you get as an unelected add on) and Swinson who represents the party that will try anything to gain a bit of power. That's the sort of election it's going to be I think.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 31, 2019 11:51:50 GMT 1
i think the smaller partys may pick up a lot of votes from people who dont know who to vote for or will vote for any party apart from the ones led by Corby or Johnson .
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 31, 2019 13:30:35 GMT 1
Anyone in Shrewsbury who is of a Brexit mindset who votes Brexit party is essentially wasting a vote and increasingly the chance of Labour winning. Labour/Lib Dim/Green will all be voting tactically, time for Nigel to step aside in the main Tory areas and do the same to ensure a majority is reached and we can deliver Brexit early in the new year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 13:37:59 GMT 1
Anyone on this board live in a marginal seat? That's where the battleground will be lost or won.
I've gone from a safe Labour area to a safe Tory area so although I will be voting my vote won't really make any difference whilst the first past the post system remains.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Oct 31, 2019 13:44:53 GMT 1
Anyone on this board live in a marginal seat? That's where the battleground will be lost or won. I've gone from a safe Labour area to a safe Tory area so although I will be voting my vote won't really make any difference whilst the first past the post system remains. A mouldy pumpkin would win here if you stuck a blue rosette on it!
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Oct 31, 2019 13:46:26 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 31, 2019 13:46:26 GMT 1
Can't vote but with that said, just as long as its not Corbyn and Labour I'll be happy... That's one down then. Now it needs a surge of people saying can vote and anyone as long as it's not Johnson (and Cummings, who you get as an unelected add on) and Swinson who represents the party that will try anything to gain a bit of power. That's the sort of election it's going to be I think. I guess you're more of a Milne man then. And try anything you say; like giving votes to kids and anyone who makes it to the UK because they can't be sure the locals are too keen? That sort of thing? And who knows what sort of election we have in store, early days yet. But we've already had a Labour MP accusing someone of mansplaining in order to try and shut down a discussion. Lets hope that sort of nonsense isn't allowed to gain any traction anyhow...
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Post by venceremos on Oct 31, 2019 13:54:11 GMT 1
That's one down then. Now it needs a surge of people saying can vote and anyone as long as it's not Johnson (and Cummings, who you get as an unelected add on) and Swinson who represents the party that will try anything to gain a bit of power. That's the sort of election it's going to be I think. I guess you're more of a Milne man then. And try anything you say; like giving votes to kids and anyone who makes it to the UK because they can't be sure the locals are too keen? That sort of thing? And who knows what sort of election we have in store, early days yet. But we've already had a Labour MP accusing someone of mansplaining in order to try and shut down a discussion. Lets hope that sort of nonsense isn't allowed to gain any traction anyhow... Dream on. It's a bitterly divided country and this election won't heal any rifts but that's what the government wanted, so ….. The gloves will be off.
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Post by another fine mess on Oct 31, 2019 15:19:07 GMT 1
How about an electoral pact for this board?
Let’s: • have a proper debate over the new few weeks. • listen to what others are saying and respond fairly • assume that everyone’s acting in good faith even if we disagree • try and back-up arguments with evidence • try and find the humour in it all
Let the sport commence!
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 31, 2019 15:36:02 GMT 1
Good idea for a thread, Lib Dem have my vote at the moment as I don't think labour are going to get close to the conservatives unfortunately and it at least shows that I want to remain, oh and to also get rid of the FPTP system so my vote can actually mean something!
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 31, 2019 15:50:14 GMT 1
If Labour were a clear remain party i'd suspect at least a third of those votes for the Lib Dims to transfer to Labour. If Corbyn wasn't leader, i'd suspect a few more would be notched against Labour also.
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Post by bictonshrew on Oct 31, 2019 16:17:48 GMT 1
Labour are more confused than Scooby Doo.
Evidence: they will renegotiate a withdrawal deal with the EU but then campaign to reject that deal and remain!!
Work that one out!
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 31, 2019 16:33:59 GMT 1
Anyone in Shrewsbury who is of a Brexit mindset who votes Brexit party is essentially wasting a vote and increasingly the chance of Labour winning. Labour/Lib Dim/Green will all be voting tactically, time for Nigel to step aside in the main Tory areas and do the same to ensure a majority is reached and we can deliver Brexit early in the new year. This is the problem though, isn't it? You'll vote conservative to "get brexit done" (translation; kick off a decade or more of turmoil as all of oyr existing trade arrangements are renegotiated at length and the UK starts rewriting legislation to fit the brexit agenda) but in doing so you'll condemn us to another 5 years of desperate Dan representing us in parliament (well, not me anymore, I'm stuck with Owen Paterson but Shrewsbury is still my spiritual homeland). I think the one thing that can unite across the political divide locally is that our MP has been sub par (being charitable) but single issue voters will deny us the chance to make a change. This is why brexit has no place in a GE, especially baffling given we'd agreed the WA with only the due diligence to be done. Felt like now might have been a good time to put that on the back burner and see Johnson's government do some actual governing for once, which he's done precious little (**** all actually) of so far. My worry is that Tories are making the same mistake May did in 2017 again and that, far from delivering a clear working majority we're just going to be plunged back into stalemate again only with the remain backing Lib Dems having much more control meaning we're effectively back to square one unless whoever is PM at that point is brave enough to just revoke it so the brexiteers can finally stop monopolising all of government time and we can actually turn to such trifling matters as actually running the country again.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 31, 2019 16:59:00 GMT 1
Anyone in Shrewsbury who is of a Brexit mindset who votes Brexit party is essentially wasting a vote and increasingly the chance of Labour winning. Labour/Lib Dim/Green will all be voting tactically, time for Nigel to step aside in the main Tory areas and do the same to ensure a majority is reached and we can deliver Brexit early in the new year. This is the problem though, isn't it? You'll vote conservative to "get brexit done" (translation; kick off a decade or more of turmoil as all of oyr existing trade arrangements are renegotiated at length and the UK starts rewriting legislation to fit the brexit agenda) That's not a translation, it's your option.
I agree with you, Daniel isn't exactly great for Shrewsbury but Corbyn wouldn't be great for the entire country.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 31, 2019 17:20:22 GMT 1
The Tories made sure that Nick Clegg's attempt to bring in proportional representation failed by deliberately making things complicated. The current 1st past the post system stinks, with numerous voters (including me) effectively disenfranchised. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/06/i-cant-forgive-nick-clegg-lib-dems-useful-idiots-coalition-tory-savagery-prIn his book, Clegg observes Tory savagery on benefits and housing as if he were a non-participant; yet he had the power to stop or soften much of this. What makes him more of an idiot than a villain is his weak understanding of the power he had. Take his failure to seize the one great prize his party sought for decades – proportional representation that would make such coalitions a fixture. His party would justify a pact with the devil to secure electoral reform. But out of sheer incompetence, Clegg blew that chance. He got his referendum, but only on AV: the weak “alternative vote” even his own side didn’t want. Fatally, he failed to force Cameron to pledge his party’s support. The same team of Tory liars who swung the Brexit vote ran the anti-AV campaign, preposterously claiming the tiny cost would deprive babies of NHS incubators and our boys in Afghanistan of kit. How Cameron’s crew laughed when Clegg lost. Had he secured PR, the political landscape would be changed for the better, beyond all recognition. The Tory party would have split between pro- and anti-EU wings. Labour would split between Corbynites and social democrats. Ukip and the Greens would have their fair share of seats.
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Post by salop27 on Oct 31, 2019 18:48:59 GMT 1
It seems Patterson hasn't done anything actually wrong then?
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Post by WATR on Oct 31, 2019 19:52:22 GMT 1
Despite reservations about the local candidate, will be proudly voting for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 20:03:30 GMT 1
The Tories made sure that Nick Clegg's attempt to bring in proportional representation failed by deliberately making things complicated. The current 1st past the post system stinks, with numerous voters (including me) effectively disenfranchised. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/06/i-cant-forgive-nick-clegg-lib-dems-useful-idiots-coalition-tory-savagery-prIn his book, Clegg observes Tory savagery on benefits and housing as if he were a non-participant; yet he had the power to stop or soften much of this. What makes him more of an idiot than a villain is his weak understanding of the power he had. Take his failure to seize the one great prize his party sought for decades – proportional representation that would make such coalitions a fixture. His party would justify a pact with the devil to secure electoral reform. But out of sheer incompetence, Clegg blew that chance. He got his referendum, but only on AV: the weak “alternative vote” even his own side didn’t want. Fatally, he failed to force Cameron to pledge his party’s support. The same team of Tory liars who swung the Brexit vote ran the anti-AV campaign, preposterously claiming the tiny cost would deprive babies of NHS incubators and our boys in Afghanistan of kit. How Cameron’s crew laughed when Clegg lost. Had he secured PR, the political landscape would be changed for the better, beyond all recognition. The Tory party would have split between pro- and anti-EU wings. Labour would split between Corbynites and social democrats. Ukip and the Greens would have their fair share of seats. Yes, it's time the UK grew up politically and reformed the electoral system. It's all very well asking for reasoned and sensible debate were everyone listens, but the disenfranchised are excluded if you don't vote for either the Tory, or Labour Party. I mean, what's the point?
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