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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 14:00:10 GMT 1
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Post by Dale on Aug 18, 2019 15:16:32 GMT 1
Out of interest... would a petition make any difference in persuading Steve Dale to sell? I wish you the best of luck as he really does seem to be a stubborn A*******, I guess by this time next week the future of Bury FC may become a bit clearer, just hope you can get a new owner who won’t recklessly overspend.
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Post by Dale on Aug 18, 2019 15:18:03 GMT 1
Ah I’ve just realised who you are, I hope your dad is doing well, he must be pretty upset by the current plight as all Bury supporters are I guess.
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 16:09:12 GMT 1
Out of interest... would a petition make any difference in persuading Steve Dale to sell? I wish you the best of luck as he really does seem to be a stubborn A*******, I guess by this time next week the future of Bury FC may become a bit clearer, just hope you can get a new owner who won’t recklessly overspend. It's really just a case of trying anything tbh. Thanks for your support. |
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 16:12:48 GMT 1
Ah I’ve just realised who you are, I hope your dad is doing well, he must be pretty upset by the current plight as all Bury supporters are I guess. He wasn't my Dad but I did post updates on here, after his cardiac arrest at your place. As you'll remember, the medical team from Shrewsbury saved his life. He's still doing okay but gutted at what's going on at our place and is desperate for us to be saved. |
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 16:15:50 GMT 1
This will pull on your heartstrings:
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 16:56:40 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 18:03:03 GMT 1
Other then the fans, I have no sympathy for Bury and it certainly doesn’t pull at any heart strings. We don’t get rewarded for being a well run, financially stable club. Bury etc run around signing players like Beckford which they could never, ever afford. Despite it not being the fans fault, the club in general deserve what’s happening to them as Bury have been taking the p**s for years. Every time we go there the buckets are out.
If clubs like Bury need to go completely out of business for other clubs to learn to stop overspending then so be it.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 18, 2019 18:05:03 GMT 1
Other then the fans, I have no sympathy for Bury and it certainly doesn’t pull at any heart strings. We don’t get rewarded for being a well run, financially stable club. Bury etc run around signing players like Beckford which they could never, ever afford. Despite it not being the fans fault, the club in general deserve what’s happening to them as Bury have been taking the p**s for years. Every time we go there the buckets are out. If clubs like Bury need to go completely out of business for other clubs to learn to stop overspending then so be it. Totally agree, **** them. |
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Post by horse01 on Aug 18, 2019 18:17:13 GMT 1
As much as I feel for your clubs supporters, I don’t feel sorry for the situation the club is in.
It is about time that a club was made an example of. Luton had to do it the hard way, and in my opinion, your club has spent way beyond its means for far too long. Let’s be honest, this isn’t the first time.
I’m afraid I won’t be signing or handing over any money (like I did a few years back), as obviously the lessons weren’t learned from your past experiences?
Like I said I feel sorry for most of you, but I’m not sure you were all thinking of the past mismanagement of your club when you were signing the likes of Vaughan, Beckford et al, while the likes of Shrewsbury may not have been filled with big names, but were living well within their means.
We dropped out of the league and made our way back up. But we did it the right way.
Clubs like Bury, Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn (pre promotion Bournemouth) etc really get me riled. It’s obvious to see that they spend well beyond what they can afford, and way beyond what the ffp guidelines allow, yet they fudge the accounts to chase glory.
Glory at this level should be having a financially stable club that is self funding and builds from the bottom up. With the odd success thrown in through their own achievements. Not throwing money around that isn’t there for a quick, short term dream that is unrealistic.
Perhaps it is time that your club started afresh and run it the correct way, with possibly the supporters having a controlling influence? If that is the case, I wish you luck
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 18:25:58 GMT 1
Other then the fans, I have no sympathy for Bury and it certainly doesn’t pull at any heart strings. We don’t get rewarded for being a well run, financially stable club. Bury etc run around signing players like Beckford which they could never, ever afford. Despite it not being the fans fault, the club in general deserve what’s happening to them as Bury have been taking the p**s for years. Every time we go there the buckets are out. If clubs like Bury need to go completely out of business for other clubs to learn to stop overspending then so be it.
Yeah completely agree with the sentiment. I've seen loads of stuff about Bury & Bolton (and other clubs in the past) that the FA/EFL should not be penalising the club & fans and should instead be targeting the owners. In my eyes thats rubbish, Bury have benefitted from having players that they clearly could not afford, they are lucky that their promotion stood. Yes penalise the owners and try and sort out the so called 'fit and proper' test but you also have to penalise the clubs who overspend as in most cases they have benefitted on the field. If not, then most clubs would just think they can build up big debt and wipe it out with no consequences.
I dont want to see any club go to the wall and you do feel sorry for many of the fans, plus of course the players/staff not getting paid, for their sake I hope the chairman sells up. But it really didnt take Nostradamus to see how it would end up.
But saying that, the football authorities really need to look at the ownership tests but also the state of finances in english football. The latest farce is how clubs are 'selling' their grounds to their owners so they use the proceeds to wipe out the debts. I was amazed at a Derby fan celebrating their profit from last year, take out the ground sale and would have had a huge loss. And more significantly they no longer own their ground and others are in the same boat, so racking up huge debts and selling their ground, not a healthy situation.
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 18:44:06 GMT 1
I'm only asking you to sign a petition for our asset stripping, bully boy and sociopath of a chairman to sell up. Personally, I've spent 100s and 100s of hours trying to out Day and Dale and now save my football club. There but for the grace of God go you...and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Great support from Glasgow Rangers, along with many others clubs: www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/asked-by-bury-fans-to-put-this-on.85798/#post-4139258 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 18:49:18 GMT 1
Start again lads. Wimbledon, Aldershot etc have shown the way.
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Post by NDG on Aug 18, 2019 18:51:01 GMT 1
I do feel for the fans but this bad situation was made from bury FC over spending, that was giving them an unfair advantage over clubs much like us who manage their books a lot more wisely. Can't have the public or other clubs bailing them out as that would set a standard that it's ok for any club to buy players they can't afford and if things go tits up everything will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 18:55:11 GMT 1
Well I've signed it because to me it's about the fans. They are just ordinary people, like ourselves, who support their local lower league club, just like ourselves.OK there where one or two idiots giving it large when Day was spending money that they didn't have, but it was just that a few idiots, not the vast majority of their fans
There was absolutely nothing that they as supporters could do to stop an egomaniac chairman, Stewart Day, and an asset stripper of the lowest kind, Steve Dale, from ripping the heart out of their local club.
Ask yourself this," How would you feel if STFC was a few days from being closed down and there was practically nothing that you could do about it?"....show some compassion and solidarity towards other lower league fans...sign the bloody petition
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Post by wickedwilleh on Aug 18, 2019 18:57:55 GMT 1
I'm only asking you to sign a petition for our asset stripping, bully boy and sociopath of a chairman to sell up. Personally, I've spent 100s and 100s of hours trying to out Day and Dale and now save my football club. There but for the grace of God go you...and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Great support from Glasgow Rangers, along with many others clubs: www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/asked-by-bury-fans-to-put-this-on.85798/#post-4139258 I'm sure Rangers fans are sympathetic after what happened to their club. I'm not sure you will get the same sympathy with the supporters of a club that has been run within it's means and watched clubs like yours gamble with their existence time and time again. I hope for you, the fans, things get sorted. I've signed your petition. |
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 19:02:49 GMT 1
Start again lads. Wimbledon, Aldershot etc have shown the way. Aldershot?! They've gone bust twice in the last 20 years!!! Wimbledon are a great story but a completely different scenario, due to the disgrace of the EFL. Why should we lose 134 years of history due to 2 conmen? Like I say, there but for the Grace of God go you... |
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 19:05:25 GMT 1
Well I've signed it because to me it's about the fans. They are just ordinary people, like ourselves, who support their local lower league club, just like ourselves.OK there where one or two idiots giving it large when Day was spending money that they didn't have, but it was just that a few idiots, not the vast majority of their fans There was absolutely nothing that they as supporters could do to stop an egomaniac chairman, Stewart Day, and an asset stripper of the lowest kind, Steve Dale, from ripping the heart out of their local club. Ask yourself this," How would you feel if STFC was a few days from being closed down and there was practically nothing that you could do about it?"....show some compassion and solidarity towards other lower league fans...sign the bloody petition Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:06:14 GMT 1
Well I've signed it because to me it's about the fans. They are just ordinary people, like ourselves, who support their local lower league club, just like ourselves.OK there where one or two idiots giving it large when Day was spending money that they didn't have, but it was just that a few idiots, not the vast majority of their fans There was absolutely nothing that they as supporters could do to stop an egomaniac chairman, Stewart Day, and an asset stripper of the lowest kind, Steve Dale, from ripping the heart out of their local club. Ask yourself this," How would you feel if STFC was a few days from being closed down and there was practically nothing that you could do about it?"....show some compassion and solidarity towards other lower league fans...sign the bloody petition They could've not attended games under Day or Dale. And protested at any point between 2013 and 18 when Day was remortgaging every other month. As I'm far as I'm aware average attendance stayed flat during the entirety of the Day era at Bury fc. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:07:16 GMT 1
Start again lads. Wimbledon, Aldershot etc have shown the way. Aldershot?! They've gone bust twice in the last 20 years!!! Wimbledon are a great story but a completely different scenario, due to the disgrace of the EFL. Why should we lose 134 years of history due to 2 conmen? Like I say, there but for the Grace of God go you... Nice. Come on a different clubs forum and wind up the locals. Best of luck pal. See you in 2050. |
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Post by horse01 on Aug 18, 2019 19:11:05 GMT 1
2001/02 - went into administration. 2012 - transfer embargo because of financial difficulties. 2016 - number of winding up petitions by HMRC. 2019 - the current mess! Hardly a one off! That’s why to others they are known as the ‘bucket shakers’.
I’m sorry, they are habitual offenders regarding their finances. It seems they were happy to accept anyone who waved their chequebook about.
What gives them the right to occupy a league position, by spending money they don’t have, and denying a club from the conference who may be prudent with their finances?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:14:26 GMT 1
For the record. My response would be exactly the same if Coventry fans appeared on here begging when it does eventually go full tits up with SISU.
Bury fans have been complicit through there attendance during the Stewart Day era.
Its sad for the real genuine ones, but as stated, start again under a community led supporter owned model. No more of the financial manipulations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:24:36 GMT 1
I have voted for kit C.
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Post by r11bfc on Aug 18, 2019 19:27:00 GMT 1
Aldershot?! They've gone bust twice in the last 20 years!!! Wimbledon are a great story but a completely different scenario, due to the disgrace of the EFL. Why should we lose 134 years of history due to 2 conmen? Like I say, there but for the Grace of God go you... Nice. Come on a different clubs forum and wind up the locals. Best of luck pal. See you in 2050. You've lost me...who am I winding up? I came on here in good faith, especially due to good Shrewsbury folk saving a Bury fan's life a couple of years ago. I queried your example of Aldershot, as they are the complete opposite of showing the way, as you suggested. Ever wish you hadn't bothered doing something?! With the odd exception, I've been really surprised...right up there with Rochdale and Tranmere...and trust me, that's not a good place to me. The majority of other clubs' supporters have shown empathy and support. Compare and contrast: www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=108816 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:29:47 GMT 1
Well I've signed it because to me it's about the fans. They are just ordinary people, like ourselves, who support their local lower league club, just like ourselves.OK there where one or two idiots giving it large when Day was spending money that they didn't have, but it was just that a few idiots, not the vast majority of their fans There was absolutely nothing that they as supporters could do to stop an egomaniac chairman, Stewart Day, and an asset stripper of the lowest kind, Steve Dale, from ripping the heart out of their local club. Ask yourself this," How would you feel if STFC was a few days from being closed down and there was practically nothing that you could do about it?"....show some compassion and solidarity towards other lower league fans...sign the bloody petition They could've not attended games under Day or Dale. And protested at any point between 2013 and 18 when Day was remortgaging every other month. As I'm far as I'm aware average attendance stayed flat during the entirety of the Day era at Bury fc. Perhaps you could point me in the direction of where you got the attendance stats from? I've had a good look around the web and can't find anything....or maybe it's more to do with you wanting to validate your point ! Additionally Day didn't remortgage every month...or perhaps,having followed the whole sordid episode for nearly as long as NorthWestMan I've missed something somewher ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:30:51 GMT 1
Nice. Come on a different clubs forum and wind up the locals. Best of luck pal. See you in 2050. You've lost me...who am I winding up? I came on here in good faith, especially due to good Shrewsbury folk saving a Bury fan's life a couple of years ago. I queried your example of Aldershot, as they are the complete opposite of showing the way, as you suggested. Ever wish you hadn't bothered doing something?! With the odd exception, I've been really surprised...right up there with Rochdale and Tranmere...and trust me, that's not a good place to me. The majority of other clubs' supporters have shown empathy and support. Compare and contrast: www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=108816Good for them. And good luck to you as I've said. I won't be signing your petition as your complicit attendance toward a regime running roughshod over financial prudence has been evident for years. www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/27/bury-gigg-lane-winding-up-order-league-one2016. Where were the petitions then? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:37:48 GMT 1
They could've not attended games under Day or Dale. And protested at any point between 2013 and 18 when Day was remortgaging every other month. As I'm far as I'm aware average attendance stayed flat during the entirety of the Day era at Bury fc. Perhaps you could point me in the direction of where you got the attendance stats from? I've had a good look around the web and can't find anything....or maybe it's more to do with you wanting to validate your point ! Additionally Day didn't remortgage every month...or perhaps,having followed the whole sordid episode for nearly as long as NorthWestMan I've missed something somewher ? It can be tracked season on season through this handy resource. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances/2014-2015I'd say my point is validated. As for remortgaging I too am in the process of remortgaging my house for the 16th time. I trust you'll sign my petition when I face ruin because of my illustrious history.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:41:00 GMT 1
2001/02 - went into administration. 2012 - transfer embargo because of financial difficulties. 2016 - number of winding up petitions by HMRC. 2019 - the current mess! Hardly a one off! That’s why to others they are known as the ‘bucket shakers’. I’m sorry, they are habitual offenders regarding their finances. It seems they were happy to accept anyone who waved their chequebook about. What gives them the right to occupy a league position, by spending money they don’t have, and denying a club from the conference who may be prudent with their finances? I've no idea how old you are horse01, or how long you have supported Salop. However we also went close to the edge.The glory years of the late 70's early 80's came at a price, we overspent to stay in what is now The Championship and when RW took over as Chairman from Ray Bailey the bank was just about to forclose on us, thereby closing us down ! It took RW selling both Anthrobus and Stevens behind manager Fred Davies' back that saved us from going under....did we stop supporting Salop?...did we heck. Final point, it's all very well being holier than thou because we are a well run club, the only person who has ensured this is RW, despite regular abuse from some on this board. We,the supporters, didn't chose RW which is exactly the same for Bury fans...they didn't chose Day or Dale they had no choice in the matter |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 18, 2019 19:50:27 GMT 1
With the greatest of respect, what response did you expect from Salop fans? We're a similar size club, nearish geographically even, who've been involved in various promotion chases with Bury in recent years. The similarities between the clubs only make the gulf between our values and those of the people running your club even more stark and, yes, that has caused resentment over the years.
It's a shame that the fans have to be collateral damage in all this but the reality is Bury FC cheated and achieved success at the expense of other clubs with more reasonable budgets.
Some white knight coming along and paying 25p in the pound does not suddenly wash all that away, quite apart from the fact that I, like a lot of fans I suspect, have zero faith at this point that the proposed new owner won't merely continue the farce.
The only sensible outcome is for the club to suffer some kind of punishment and for the fans to take control of the spirit of the club and set up a phoenix club with a genuine commitment to fair play and strong governance.
I'll sign a petition backing the setting up of said Phoenix club all day long but, sorry, I'm sincerely hoping that Bury are expelled from the league next week.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 18, 2019 19:55:25 GMT 1
I wont be signing.
I have nothing but sympathy for the fans, absolutely I do, and will never gloat or take the p**s. What's happening is horrific, but there will be a phoenix club for those that want to continue to support the spiritual successor to BFC and none of this, or the sympathy I have, changes the facts that, as a consequence of an awful awful owner, they've broken the rules, spent money they didn't have, and cheated their way to promotion. As a fan of a team that constantly misses out because we live within our means something has to give, it has to, otherwise nothing will ever change. Honestly, I have nothing but respect for anyone who choses to follow a lower league team. I'm now in my 32nd season of being a Shrewsbury fan, most of it utterly mediocre, but that sense of belonging and togetherness and the buzz I still get at 43 on a match day is a feeling that is simply indescribable - I can't even imagine how I'd feel if I lost that. BUT, there have to be consequences for clubs that cheat, nothing will ever make me believe otherwise, and Bury have cheated.
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