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Post by Pilch on Jul 23, 2019 23:02:09 GMT 1
I think we need to calm down a bit re waterfall, after the villa game I'd predict the plan is we keep beckles and waterfall will leave either on loan or sale That would leave us with four centre backs in the squad, unless another is signed as a replacement for any that leave. Given we will be playing with three centre backs this season I think we need five in the squad to provide sufficient cover. we have a couplee of tanks who look unbreakable, if they do we'll have to use dial a loan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 23:33:59 GMT 1
Question for the usual whingers and profits of doom. How many first team games this coming season do you expect to see that same starting eleven? My guess is NONE. None but I’m hoping Waterfall remains as far from the first 11 as possible. It’s no coincidence we’ve conceded in preseason in every game once he’s on the pitch and again making stupid mistakes. Good point, Waterfall was clearly to blame for the Villa goal on Sunday. He should have ran from the dugout where he was seated to clear the danger.
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Post by cmonsalop on Jul 24, 2019 0:43:56 GMT 1
I thought Waterfall had a good first half cleared up pretty much everything. Eisa wasn't great 1st half apart from one rasping shot that hit the bar. Partly at fault for their goal failing to get a head on to their corner but it looked as if he could have been fouled. We struggled to get going second half after Edwards went off, Eisa came to life in the last 20 minutes capping it off with a great goal but before that I wouldn't have been bothered if he was sent out on loan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 1:47:50 GMT 1
I think we need to calm down a bit re waterfall, after the villa game I'd predict the plan is we keep beckles and waterfall will leave either on loan or sale That would leave us with four centre backs in the squad, unless another is signed as a replacement for any that leave. Given we will be playing with three centre backs this season I think we need five in the squad to provide sufficient cover. It would leave us with 4 yes. It would also leave us with 3 more who can or have played the position before.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 24, 2019 7:16:12 GMT 1
Some people seem to be reading an awful lot into a few friendlies. Coming 2 days after Villa, tonight was always going to be about getting the rest of the squad on the pitch, hopefully playing the same system. At least we’ve scored at last! I can’t believe we’ve already got a “we need a plan b” post when we haven’t even reached the end of the friendlies! Perhaps it’s the heat or perhaps salop27 is over-excited at Johnson’s accession. friendlies are just that only league games will give us an indication of what this team can do. i always say lets see after 12 games. Ricketts has made it clear what system he plans to use and whilst it is still early and we have no indication that system wont work as it has not been tried with our vitually new team in the league yet, i also dont think it unreasonable to consider what is plan B ? bearing in mind last season we seemed to struggle tactically when games were not going our way. however the plan B may be Ricketts comments about waniting players with brains who can adapt the system in the game ? only time will tell.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 24, 2019 9:10:56 GMT 1
Pretty much standard fare from a scratch team in a pre-season friendly.
It seemed as though the instruction was to play it out from the back this game. That turned out as playing it across the back really slowly and deliberately.
Plenty of effort and the team finished strongly in the last 15 minutes. I was pleased to see Whalley, Udoh and Eisa get 90 minutes. Whalley and Eisa each scored from open play having worked themselves into a shooting opportunity. In the case of Eisa's goal credit also goes to Udoh for bringing down a difficult ball into Eisa's path.
I'd mark Udoh's tireless work upfront as a highlight for me. He has pace and strength and is good in the air despite his lack of height. His workrate is much better than Fey's and we need workrate to make things happen given the lack of creativity. I'd like to see Udoh start with Morison up front against Dundee United. I realise it probably won't happen.
One thing about Eisa that I haven't seen before is he got stuck in too. I think he will have gained some confidence from today's game and perhaps we need him to have a run of game time.
Whalley is another player who, it appears, will struggle to get a start against Dundee United or Portsmouth. Perhaps it will take a few early season substitute appearances to get us out of the mire before it is accepted that he is an integral part of the starting eleven.
Can we also give Mwande another 15 minutes at the end of the Dundee United game too? He tried to make things happen from the moment he entered the game and looked sharp and skilful.
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Post by gtismygod on Jul 24, 2019 9:13:20 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players.
Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1.
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Post by greeny on Jul 24, 2019 9:42:25 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. No. Not until we have seen how we get on with 5-3-2 seeing as the manager has planned a whole summer of recruitment around that formation and we haven’t seen how well we can play it. We definitely need a plan B but the 3 CBs excite me as much as anything else. If the solid base works out well we could commit more players forward than we last season. Personally I think we need to add a more exciting RWB as Love doesn’t seem to be as good going forward but he could prove me wrong or Barnett and Whalley could fit in there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 9:46:54 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. How much of the 352 have you seen so far this season in competitive football?
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Post by salop27 on Jul 24, 2019 10:02:52 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. Yes! If only.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 24, 2019 11:29:23 GMT 1
Pretty much standard fare from a scratch team in a pre-season friendly. It seemed as though the instruction was to play it out from the back this game. That turned out as playing it across the back really slowly and deliberately. Plenty of effort and the team finished strongly in the last 15 minutes. I was pleased to see Whalley, Udoh and Eisa get 90 minutes. Whalley and Eisa each scored from open play having worked themselves into a shooting opportunity. In the case of Eisa's goal credit also goes to Udoh for bringing down a difficult ball into Eisa's path. I'd mark Udoh's tireless work upfront as a highlight for me. He has pace and strength and is good in the air despite his lack of height. His workrate is much better than Fey's and we need workrate to make things happen given the lack of creativity. I'd like to see Udoh start with Morison up front against Dundee United. I realise it probably won't happen. One thing about Eisa that I haven't seen before is he got stuck in too. I think he will have gained some confidence from today's game and perhaps we need him to have a run of game time. Whalley is another player who, it appears, will struggle to get a start against Dundee United or Portsmouth. Perhaps it will take a few early season substitute appearances to get us out of the mire before it is accepted that he is an integral part of the starting eleven. Can we also give Mwande another 15 minutes at the end of the Dundee United game too? He tried to make things happen from the moment he entered the game and looked sharp and skilful. i fully understand why ricketts whants him to go out on loan but I have seen Mwande a number of times in reserve game he is a real dynamo , he is a natural forward who gets into the right places and scores goals.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 24, 2019 11:31:26 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. Ricketts has layed out his stall and bought in players to play his system, i personally like wingers but i dont see it happening.we also need to see how the new players play in the system in league games.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jul 24, 2019 11:39:42 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. Ricketts has layed out his stall and bought in players to play his system, i personally like wingers but i dont see it happening.we also need to see how the new players play in the system in league games. Long time follower and fan here. Would you say we need to leave it 12 league games before jumping to hasty conclusions?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 24, 2019 11:49:39 GMT 1
Mwande would put the fear of God up League 2 defences in the last 15 minutes
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Post by venceremos on Jul 24, 2019 12:17:03 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. Not me. We were never any good at it, even with two outright wingers.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 24, 2019 12:18:36 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. Yes! If only. Ah, that's the plan b then, eh? They won't know what's hit them when we switch to 4-4-2 ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 12:30:25 GMT 1
NWM and I were discussing formations and tactics recently. He was very keen (almost desperate) to see either Jack Payne or Mark Duffy at the Meadow playing in the hole.
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Post by gtismygod on Jul 24, 2019 13:10:40 GMT 1
Anyone else wish we played 4-4-2 with Whalley and Eisa wide? So much more enjoyable to watch, and would help us to get the most out of our two most exciting and creative players. Or even Hurst's 4-1-4-1. How much of the 352 have you seen so far this season in competitive football? Granted, none. But I watched hours of last season's 3-5-2 and was rarely impressed. In fact, I don't think I can remember a game where I was genuinely impressed with the system. Longing for an old-fashioned winger to take on his full back and whip a cross in.
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Post by wickedwilleh on Jul 24, 2019 13:17:03 GMT 1
How much of the 352 have you seen so far this season in competitive football? Granted, none. But I watched hours of last season's 3-5-2 and was rarely impressed. In fact, I don't think I can remember a game where I was genuinely impressed with the system. Longing for an old-fashioned winger to take on his full back and whip a cross in. 3-5-2 can be just as exciting with wing backs. We played it a lot in some of our recent successful promotion seasons. Sent from my Pixel 3 using proboards
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Post by salop27 on Jul 24, 2019 13:23:46 GMT 1
Granted, none. But I watched hours of last season's 3-5-2 and was rarely impressed. In fact, I don't think I can remember a game where I was genuinely impressed with the system. Longing for an old-fashioned winger to take on his full back and whip a cross in. 3-5-2 can be just as exciting with wing backs. We played it a lot in some of our recent successful promotion seasons. Sent from my Pixel 3 using proboards Judging from last season and from Saturday our wing backs aren't attacking enough though. If that doesn't change the system is not going to work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 13:40:07 GMT 1
How much of the 352 have you seen so far this season in competitive football? Granted, none. But I watched hours of last season's 3-5-2 and was rarely impressed. In fact, I don't think I can remember a game where I was genuinely impressed with the system. Longing for an old-fashioned winger to take on his full back and whip a cross in. So you are hypothesising this years personnel playing in the system on last year's performances? As for old fashioned winger we will be playing with a 19 year old flyer at lwb regarded as a star of the future by the current 7th best team in the country. He whipped in about 4 or 5 crosses within the first 15 mins on Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 13:41:38 GMT 1
3-5-2 can be just as exciting with wing backs. We played it a lot in some of our recent successful promotion seasons. Sent from my Pixel 3 using proboards Judging from last season and from Saturday our wing backs aren't attacking enough though. If that doesn't change the system is not going to work. Too right mate. Our wing backs should have been pressed forward Man City style against such inferior opposition as Aston Villa. Jesus christ.
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Post by tvor on Jul 24, 2019 16:12:47 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2019 17:14:01 GMT 1
NWM and I were discussing formations and tactics recently. He was very keen (almost desperate) to see either Jack Payne or Mark Duffy at the Meadow playing in the hole. Fake news. I haven't discussed either formations or tactics with czarcasm. It is true that I'd have liked us to bring in Payne, but alas he's signed for Lincoln. As far as Duffy is concerned, that ship has long sailed, as his wages would be well outside our wage structure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 17:17:18 GMT 1
NWM and I were discussing formations and tactics recently. He was very keen (almost desperate) to see either Jack Payne or Mark Duffy at the Meadow playing in the hole. Fake news. I haven't discussed either formations or tactics with czarcasm. It is true that I'd have liked us to bring in Payne, but alas he's signed for Lincoln. As far as Duffy is concerned, that ship has long sailed, as his wages would be well outside our wage structure. And I assume that Duffy would not fit in to our 3 5 2 formation.
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Post by salop27 on Jul 24, 2019 17:17:59 GMT 1
Judging from last season and from Saturday our wing backs aren't attacking enough though. If that doesn't change the system is not going to work. Too right mate. Our wing backs should have been pressed forward Man City style against such inferior opposition as Aston Villa. Jesus christ. Jesus Christ yourself buddy. Villa were pretty rubbish!
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jul 24, 2019 18:48:11 GMT 1
3 pages on an away friendly with a L2 side and a non full strength town side, lots of overthinking going on in my opinion. Spare a thought for pompey who got stuffed 4 0 by aldershot last night, not sure of their line up though, now that's 3 pages!!!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 24, 2019 19:12:55 GMT 1
isa came to life in the last 20 minutes capping it off with a great goal but before that I wouldn't have been bothered if he was sent out on loan. Can only go by the highlights of course but it was a superb turn and setup for Whalley for the first... 👍
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