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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2019 11:38:27 GMT 1
Why was Jeremy Hunt claiming 25% of school leavers "can't read"? Surely after all these years of Tory mis-rule, any blame for that would be squarely on the Tories shoulders? Anyway, a bigger problem is that a good percentage of voters believe what they read - on battle buses, for example.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 19, 2019 13:50:55 GMT 1
Why was Jeremy Hunt claiming 25% of school leavers "can't read"? Surely after all these years of Tory mis-rule, any blame for that would be squarely on the Tories shoulders? Anyway, a bigger problem is that a good percentage of voters believe what they read - on battle buses, for example.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2019 14:17:24 GMT 1
Why was Jeremy Hunt claiming 25% of school leavers "can't read"? Surely after all these years of Tory mis-rule, any blame for that would be squarely on the Tories shoulders? Anyway, a bigger problem is that a good percentage of voters believe what they read - on battle buses, for example. Change was exactly what you got. Nowt wrong with that headline. I could quote numerous anti Labour headlines. Some of the latest mistruths even try to suggest Corbyn is anti Semitic
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 19, 2019 14:50:23 GMT 1
Don't think the BBC are going to be asked to host such a thing again any time soon. Made a bit of a mess of it by the looks...
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2019 15:20:00 GMT 1
Don't think the BBC are going to be asked to host such a thing again any time soon. Made a bit of a mess of it by the looks... BBC TV standards are way down, I venture to suggest. Comedy: "Mrs Brown's Boys" - Adult pantomime, what happened to great comedy? Quiz shows: 50 odd year old "Question of Sport", clapped out "Have I got news for you" Aptly named: "Pointless". News: Very anti Corbyn, just try Sky News when the Beeb are running an anti Corbyn line, you won't even find it mentioned on there. Science: Nothing like "Tomorrows World" anymore. Sport: Reduced to Tennis and snooker. Money: No "Money programme" or "Working Lunch" replacement. "Top Gear": Dumber than ever. Pop music: "TOTP" and "Old grey whistle test" now replaced by once a year "Hootananny" show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 15:28:57 GMT 1
Don't think the BBC are going to be asked to host such a thing again any time soon. Made a bit of a mess of it by the looks... BBC TV standards are way down, I venture to suggest. Comedy: "Mrs Brown's Boys" - Adult pantomime, what happened to great comedy? Quiz shows: 50 odd year old "Question of Sport", clapped out "Have I got news for you" Aptly named: "Pointless". News: Very anti Corbyn, just try Sky News when the Beeb are running an anti Corbyn line, you won't even find it mentioned on there. Science: Nothing like "Tomorrows World" anymore. Sport: Reduced to Tennis and snooker. Money: No "Money programme" or "Working Lunch" replacement. "Top Gear": Dumber than ever. Pop music: "TOTP" and "Old grey whistle test" now replaced by once a year "Hootananny" show. Not wishing to go ot but I’d happily pay the licence fee just for any of the Brian Cox series 👍
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Post by another fine mess on Jun 19, 2019 15:31:22 GMT 1
Don't think the BBC are going to be asked to host such a thing again any time soon. Made a bit of a mess of it by the looks... They certainly did!
They invited an iman to ask about discrimination ...only he turned out to be an anti-Semitic misogynist!
And they also asked a Labour Party HQ staffer to ask a question, but they didn’t mention that fact when introducing him.
Their excuse for failing to vet the iman is unravelling as well becuase his Twitter account ws live over the weekend.
Priceless.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 19, 2019 15:52:34 GMT 1
Don't think the BBC are going to be asked to host such a thing again any time soon. Made a bit of a mess of it by the looks... They certainly did!
They invited an iman to ask about discrimination ...only he turned out to be an anti-Semitic misogynist!
And they also asked a Labour Party HQ staffer to ask a question, but they didn’t mention that fact when introducing him.
Their excuse for failing to vet the iman is unravelling as well becuase his Twitter account ws live over the weekend.
Priceless.
The BBC are massively biased in favour of the left. Do not pay the license fee and sponsor them any further.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 19, 2019 16:02:44 GMT 1
Don't think the BBC are going to be asked to host such a thing again any time soon. Made a bit of a mess of it by the looks... BBC TV standards are way down, I venture to suggest. Comedy: "Mrs Brown's Boys" - Adult pantomime, what happened to great comedy? Quiz shows: 50 odd year old "Question of Sport", clapped out "Have I got news for you" Aptly named: "Pointless". News: Very anti Corbyn, just try Sky News when the Beeb are running an anti Corbyn line, you won't even find it mentioned on there. Science: Nothing like "Tomorrows World" anymore. Sport: Reduced to Tennis and snooker. Money: No "Money programme" or "Working Lunch" replacement. "Top Gear": Dumber than ever. Pop music: "TOTP" and "Old grey whistle test" now replaced by once a year "Hootananny" show. I hear you... Comedy for sure, which when you think of what we have seen come from the Beeb in past years is baffling. But then didn't we have the head of comedy stating that Monty Python wouldn't get made these days because of the makeup of who was putting it together? Now Monthy Python is very much hit and miss but when you consider those comments, where would that leave other comedy shows? Black Adder for example, would it even get a look in today? Mad to even think that. I like "Have I got news for you?" (although I watch that on Dave, is that the old one, reruns?). I like "Pointless". With the news, they seem to get flack from both sides which kinda suggests to me that they might be doing something right. Some of the nature programs they produce are nothing short of superb, mind. Like them big time. With sport they just can't cope with the subscription channels. They need help with that, certain things should be available for all to watch. The women's World Cup is getting decent viewing figures isn't it which shows that the public want it. That the cricket world cup isn't available on normal TV I just don't get, when I think back to that Ashes series that was watched by everyone on Channel Four. It was superb. The interest in it was something else. I think the new Top Gear is getting good reviews. Not sure about the music, I'm very much stuck in the 90's on that front. On the whole I think they are capable on their day but I do think those who would rather not have to pay the license fee do have a point...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 19, 2019 16:06:10 GMT 1
Don't think the BBC are going to be asked to host such a thing again any time soon. Made a bit of a mess of it by the looks... They certainly did!
They invited an iman to ask about discrimination ...only he turned out to be an anti-Semitic misogynist!
And they also asked a Labour Party HQ staffer to ask a question, but they didn’t mention that fact when introducing him.
Their excuse for failing to vet the iman is unravelling as well becuase his Twitter account ws live over the weekend.
Priceless.
I don't mind the Labour staffer as I thought it was a fair question. Its something I would like to know. The Iman though, how he got on there I have no idea. Bizarre. Just that first impressions anyhow were that it was all a bit of a damp squib. The format wasn't too great and it was all a bit chaotic. Then you hear about who they let on there. Not good...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 16:57:58 GMT 1
They certainly did!
They invited an iman to ask about discrimination ...only he turned out to be an anti-Semitic misogynist!
And they also asked a Labour Party HQ staffer to ask a question, but they didn’t mention that fact when introducing him.
Their excuse for failing to vet the iman is unravelling as well becuase his Twitter account ws live over the weekend.
Priceless.
The BBC are massively biased in favour of the left. Do not pay the license fee and sponsor them any further. Yeah right. The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation has allowed Farage to appear on Question Time more times than anyone else in living memory.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2019 17:04:11 GMT 1
Right, get this farce over, the Conservatives submerge, we have a general election and Corbyn gives us a real democratic alternative to decide on if and how we leave the EU, can't wait!
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 19, 2019 17:20:04 GMT 1
The BBC are massively biased in favour of the left. Do not pay the license fee and sponsor them any further. Yeah right. The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation has allowed Farage to appear on Question Time more times than anyone else in living memory. *Has allowed Farage to be setup.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 19, 2019 17:25:21 GMT 1
Right, get this farce over, the Conservatives submerge, we have a general election and Corbyn gives us a real democratic alternative to decide on if and how we leave the EU, can't wait! When you say " democratic" you mean let's get a result you agree with this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 17:38:13 GMT 1
Yeah right. The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation has allowed Farage to appear on Question Time more times than anyone else in living memory. *Has allowed Farage to be setup. That actually shows what a snowflake he is then
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 18:09:36 GMT 1
Rory Stewart out of the race.
All 313 Tory MPs voted. There were no spoiled ballot papers.
Boris Johnson - 143
Jeremy Hunt - 54
Michael Gove - 51
Sajid Javid - 38
Rory Stewart - 27
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2019 18:54:07 GMT 1
Right, get this farce over, the Conservatives submerge, we have a general election and Corbyn gives us a real democratic alternative to decide on if and how we leave the EU, can't wait! When you say " democratic" you mean let's get a result you agree with this time. No, I would choose remain, but the success of the Brexit party indicates a big majority for leave would be the result. Remain should be on the ballot as no one knew what Brexit would actually involve, also, it provides closure for those that voted remain. Parliament chose to give up it's democratic rights by voting to hold a referendum, the only way to resolve things now is a referendum. One thing I would hope, that the no deal leave option is set for December the 31st. That's not kicking the can down the road, that's setting a firm date that allows business and systems to be readied. I actually think a sensible deadline would make it more attractive to some voters.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 19, 2019 18:59:50 GMT 1
When you say " democratic" you mean let's get a result you agree with this time. No, I would choose remain, but the success of the Brexit party indicates a big majority for leave would be the result. Remain should be on the ballot as no one knew what Brexit would actually involve, also, it provides closure for those that voted remain. Parliament chose to give up it's democratic rights by voting to hold a referendum, the only way to resolve things now is a referendum. One thing I would hope, that the no deal leave option is set for December the 31st. That's not kicking the can down the road, that's setting a firm date that allows business and systems to be readied. I actually think a sensible deadline would make it more attractive to some voters. 31st December 20never? Another wanting remain on a vote, even though it was on the vote in 2016. I have no problem with a vote on Brexit in the below format: 1) Leave with a deal. 2) Leave without a deal.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 19, 2019 22:19:56 GMT 1
I can't understand why the whole thing warrants televising (given the vast, vast majority of us have no agency over it) let alone 7 rounds or however long the self indulgent t**ts are going to waste deciding that Boris has won. Anyone would think they've nothing better to do. Frankly, I could not give less of a **** what any of them think and won't be wasting a second of my life on the disingenuous guff spewing from any of Johnson, Hunt, Gove or any of the other's lying mouths and more fool you if do.
It's real, real banana republic stuff, this. A dodgy little island which predominantly makes its money as a tax haven, shifting ill gotten gains around for despots and dealers alike. That, and selling weapons. 3 leaders in 3 years, two of them old school mates and members of the wealthy elite, one of whom at least has a list of gaffes, **** ups and corrupt incidents attached to him longer than your arm. A famously corrupt media deciding the winner before a vote was even cast in a leadership campaign most of the public will not even get close to voting in.
Sounds like somewhere in the developing world but no, it's 21st century Britain.
And yet some amongst us have the gall to suggest it's the EU that needs to clean up its act. Some of us, more incredibly still, will actually vote to reelect the bunch of openly corrupt, nakedly self interested and totally incompetent bunch of crooks we have in power currently lest the phantom socialists get in (heaven forfend).
Very bored, disillusioned and, above all else, p**sed off, a sentiment shared by a great many right now and something our complacent rulers should be wary of. The backlash is coming, it's just a question of when, not if.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 19, 2019 23:01:54 GMT 1
No, I would choose remain, but the success of the Brexit party indicates a big majority for leave would be the result. Remain should be on the ballot as no one knew what Brexit would actually involve, also, it provides closure for those that voted remain. Parliament chose to give up it's democratic rights by voting to hold a referendum, the only way to resolve things now is a referendum. One thing I would hope, that the no deal leave option is set for December the 31st. That's not kicking the can down the road, that's setting a firm date that allows business and systems to be readied. I actually think a sensible deadline would make it more attractive to some voters. 31st December 20never? Another wanting remain on a vote, even though it was on the vote in 2016. I have no problem with a vote on Brexit in the below format: 1) Leave with a deal. 2) Leave without a deal. That would be meaningless. We can leave with a deal. Or we can leave without a deal and then return to negotiate a deal - which would obviously put us in a weakened position. In practice, no deal is only the beginning of a different story.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 19, 2019 23:04:04 GMT 1
May as well rename that program the Boris show. Everyone else, including the presenter, were fighting for scr@ps. Love him or loathe him, as PM he is going to brighten things up. Loathe him, obvs.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 19, 2019 23:13:53 GMT 1
They certainly did!
They invited an iman to ask about discrimination ...only he turned out to be an anti-Semitic misogynist!
And they also asked a Labour Party HQ staffer to ask a question, but they didn’t mention that fact when introducing him.
Their excuse for failing to vet the iman is unravelling as well becuase his Twitter account ws live over the weekend.
Priceless.
I don't mind the Labour staffer as I thought it was a fair question. Its something I would like to know. The Iman though, how he got on there I have no idea. Bizarre. Just that first impressions anyhow were that it was all a bit of a damp squib. The format wasn't too great and it was all a bit chaotic. Then you hear about who they let on there. Not good... OK, think a bit of respectful pedantry is necessary. ”Iman” was a model and married to David Bowie. An “imam” is a Muslim religious leader. That’s all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 5:27:46 GMT 1
Brighten things up eh? Well that's alright then.
And while the Imam may be an anti-Semitic misogynist, the issue he raised is real.
Anyway, it's going to be Johnson.
Just imagine that.
Blimey.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 20, 2019 7:02:49 GMT 1
Boris or Corbyn, what a choice! Big opportunity for Lib Dem’s.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 20, 2019 8:27:27 GMT 1
People should be aware as to the amount of assistance Boris has received from an unprincipled ex fireplace salesman who has no limits as to what methods he needs to use to achieve his overall objectives. "When offering his services to May in 2016 it was – as he loudly told anyone who wanted to listen – because he saw her as the most effective way to stop Boris Johnson being prime minister. How ironic, then, that Williamson currently devotes his waking hours to seeking to bring about the very outcome that, three years ago, he abominated. He acts as the Johnson campaign’s chief whip, using what colleagues have called “bully boy tactics” to bludgeon colleagues into supporting his man. Why? Has Johnson suddenly acquired habits of probity, responsibility, judgement and decency that force even former sceptics such as Williamson to concede they were wrong about him? Or was the humiliated and rampantly ambitious Williamson prepared to put his own lack of principles to the cause of a man he, perhaps correctly, thinks will be the next prime minister, that he might renew his interrupted ascent of the greasy pole?" www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/gavin-williamson-uriah-heep-politics-and-now-he-s-service-boris-johnsonSpeaking ahead of the latest vote, Rory Stewart told reporters the former defence secretary Gavin Williamson, who is organising Mr Johnson's campaign, was encouraging Johnson-supporting MPs to lend their votes to other candidates to manipulate the contest in a bid to determine who he would face in the final run-off. He said: 'There's also the dark arts. Gavin Williamson's proxy votes, which we don't know about. 'There are dark arts in politics and they're done with proxy votes, they're not done with someone saying 'would you please vote for this person'.' Williamson could have 'loaned' Mr Stewart some Johnson backers in the previous round to ensure Mr Raab went out. He then probably removed those backers so that Stewart was defeated. Presumably the next step will be to loan a few votes to Javid. But if Javid is knocked out then those votes will be lent to Hunt to keep Gove from finishing 2nd. It is understood Williamson will now launch an operation to derail Mr Gove's campaign. Johnson is thought to believe Mr Hunt would be the easiest for him to beat in a head to head contest, and wants to avoid the 'psychodrama' of facing Mr Gove. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/19/tory-leadership-news-rory-stewart-claims-two-dominic-raab-supporters/
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Post by northwestman on Jun 20, 2019 8:45:05 GMT 1
Amid the acrimonious exchanges yesterday, a senior Tory peer likened the conduct of the contest for the party’s next leader to corrupt election practices in despotic Third World regimes.
“If this had happened in Zimbabwe last year I would have submitted a highly-critical report,” said polling expert Lord Hayward.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 20, 2019 9:04:58 GMT 1
I don't mind the Labour staffer as I thought it was a fair question. Its something I would like to know. The Iman though, how he got on there I have no idea. Bizarre. Just that first impressions anyhow were that it was all a bit of a damp squib. The format wasn't too great and it was all a bit chaotic. Then you hear about who they let on there. Not good... OK, think a bit of respectful pedantry is necessary. ”Iman” was a model and married to David Bowie. An “imam” is a Muslim religious leader. That’s all. Noted. Perhaps they ought to get Iman on board next time around mind, at least they'll have some inkling with who they are dealing with. He seems a right nice chap that Mr Patel, a teacher to boot.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 20, 2019 10:30:08 GMT 1
OK, think a bit of respectful pedantry is necessary. ”Iman” was a model and married to David Bowie. An “imam” is a Muslim religious leader. That’s all. Noted. Perhaps they ought to get Iman on board next time around mind, at least they'll have some inkling with who they are dealing with. He seems a right nice chap that Mr Patel, a teacher to boot. The country has a surplus of similarly “nice chaps” of all faiths and none and of various political colours. I think the social media of some of the furious folk on Question Time would make unpleasant reading. In its public discourse, this is an ugly and divided country now. It won’t heal soon. Thankfully, most people generally seem more tolerant and sensible in their everyday lives.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 20, 2019 11:29:28 GMT 1
Noted. Perhaps they ought to get Iman on board next time around mind, at least they'll have some inkling with who they are dealing with. He seems a right nice chap that Mr Patel, a teacher to boot. The country has a surplus of similarly “nice chaps” of all faiths and none and of various political colours. And that such people are out there teaching kids and others is rather a bit of a worry...
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Post by northwestman on Jun 20, 2019 18:09:27 GMT 1
Well done Mr Williamson. You've got what your boss wanted.
Hunt it is.
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