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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 21, 2019 12:46:49 GMT 1
If Bury and Bolton end up expelled from the EFL maybe its time to revisit the format of the leagues generally. I for one would be in favour of three teams coming up from the conference with two automatic spots. At the moment that league is an absolute b***h to get out of and I think it would help rebalance the whole system. If this debacle ends in a double expulsion the EFL has to seriously look at its fit and proper tests and include tests for clubs being promoted into the EFL. I don't believe allowing for more clubs to enter is the answer because quite simply there are too many "one man and his money outfits " at the top of the Conference, eg Solihull Moors, Harrogate Town, AFC Fylde and the like. These clubs have neither the infrastructure nor the level of support to sustain as long term viable professional football league clubs There are several recent examples were the money man has walked away because he hasn't achieved what he wanted-: Braintree- Season before last got to the play off final, lost to Tranmere. Last season got relegated Boreham Wood- Money man has announced that he is going to seriously look at his investment because last weelends "big game" against Sutton Utd only drew in 43 paying spectators, after deducting season ticket holders and Sutton Utd fans North Feriby United- Village team from outside Hull who got to the Conference backed by financial support from the wife of the Hull City chairman ( el allam??) When the financial support went they closed down and have had to start all over again. Most famous of them all is of course Gretna, backed by I think it was Brooks Mileson...from the Lowland League to the SPL and a Scottish F.A Cup Final appearance !. The owner dies, family immeadiately cut off the financial life line and they are dead within weeks. Reformed as Gretna 2008 and back in the Scottish Lowland League If it means that L2 has to operate with 21,22 or 23 teams in it then so be it, better to have that than to be dealing with this car crash situation. Alternatively perhaps we need to look at how the Germans do it, I know Stutty posted something a year or so back about every club has to be profitable or face relegation in Germany. At the time I thought to myself if they ever introduced that over here we would be in The Championship at least I think we need to be careful with the word "profitable". Town are often only profitable every few seasons which is fine. The real aim is to ensure we are sustainable rather than seeking to make big bucks and that's the attitude we should be encouraging. To that end, cash flow and sources of financing is probably more what we should be looking at than just "profit". Agree about the wider sustainability point. To my mind, none of these rich man playthings clubs are genuine underdogs. If you were assessing them from a purely business perspective you'd say that over reliance on a wealthy owner and heavy underlying operating losses are a clear going concern risk. Maybe we need to say where that's present, the club can't compete. Clubs like Barnet, Dagenham, Accrington etc show it can still be done.
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Post by accordingtome on Aug 21, 2019 17:45:40 GMT 1
If Bury and Bolton end up expelled from the EFL maybe its time to revisit the format of the leagues generally. I for one would be in favour of three teams coming up from the conference with two automatic spots. At the moment that league is an absolute b***h to get out of and I think it would help rebalance the whole system. why not make it 4. Give wrecscum half a chance at least
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 21, 2019 18:52:06 GMT 1
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Post by cuzzman on Aug 21, 2019 19:39:06 GMT 1
It's amazing he they lasted anywhere near this amount of time. They must have the patience of saints. If any club is looking for a management team soon these guys should walk into that position. What they have been through at Bolton is scandalous. No pay for 6 or so months ?? Phil Parkinson is a bloody good manager who has shown incredible fortitude and unbelievable dignity in such terrible circumstances. Let's hope they are employed properly very very soon. I bet he gets a good nights kip tonight.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 21, 2019 20:42:42 GMT 1
They could ship 10 against Ipswich on Saturday.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Aug 22, 2019 0:38:51 GMT 1
They could ship 10 against Ipswich on Saturday. They could. And even if they were bought out and stabilised at the last minute, don't see how they wouldn't then have already damaged the integrity of the competition - it would be unfair on the teams left to play them after they were sorted out compared to the teams fortunate enough to have played them early as a shambles with a bunch of kids and now no management. Time to pull the plug.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 10:17:48 GMT 1
I cannot believe the EFL have left this dragging on for so long. Surely if a club cannot prove it's a going concern before the fixture lists are released then they should be binned out of the league. Of course it's a shame for the fans but it's disrespectful for the other clubs in the division. If Bury and Bolton do eventually end up being removed from the competition that's 2 lots of gate money the other 22 clubs have budgeted for and will now lose which could possibly cause them cash flow problems not of their own making.
If a decision is made early enough then presumably teams can be promoted to make up the numbers. There would be no point doing that in August when the likes of Mansfield / Newport have made signings based on being in league 2 as they would be at a disadvantage themselves at the start of the season.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 22, 2019 12:26:12 GMT 1
Results will be expunged as per Aldershot previously, I would guess
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Aug 22, 2019 12:29:43 GMT 1
If the take over isn't completed by Monday 2nd (Transfer deadline day) what happens then? if the kids cannot do 5 games in a row how will they manage until January or longer? i hope the EFL don't extend the transfer deadline for them to give them more time.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 22, 2019 13:29:41 GMT 1
If the take over isn't completed by Monday 2nd (Transfer deadline day) what happens then? if the kids cannot do 5 games in a row how will they manage until January or longer? i hope the EFL don't extend the transfer deadline for them to give them more time. Bolton would be able to sign free agents after the window closes.
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Post by scooter on Aug 22, 2019 13:56:05 GMT 1
If the take over isn't completed by Monday 2nd (Transfer deadline day) what happens then? if the kids cannot do 5 games in a row how will they manage until January or longer? i hope the EFL don't extend the transfer deadline for them to give them more time. Bolton would be able to sign free agents after the window closes. They may already have some free agents lined up
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 22, 2019 15:51:17 GMT 1
Fed up of hearing about them and Bury. **** them both off ASAP.
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Post by philharvey on Aug 22, 2019 16:11:41 GMT 1
Totally agree with you, other lesser clubs would not be able to get away with this mayhem.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 22, 2019 16:14:46 GMT 1
Bolton would be able to sign free agents after the window closes. They may already have some free agents lined up You'd have to be a pretty desperate free agent to be hanging around waiting for this to be resolved.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 22, 2019 16:25:05 GMT 1
They may already have some free agents lined up You'd have to be a pretty desperate free agent to be hanging around waiting for this to be resolved. I would imagine that there are a fair few, e.g Ashley Williams released by Everton in the summer, ex Swansea and Wales. OK aged 34 but I would imagine that he could do a job at our level
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Post by essofsteel on Aug 22, 2019 21:45:36 GMT 1
It might have been mentioned earlier but Bolton v Bury is scheduled for September 8th!
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 22, 2019 21:47:26 GMT 1
It might have been mentioned earlier but Bolton v Bury is scheduled for September 8th! Live on Sky Sports.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 23, 2019 10:49:14 GMT 1
It might have been mentioned earlier but Bolton v Bury is scheduled for September 8th! Got my ticket!
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Post by tvor on Aug 23, 2019 22:48:28 GMT 1
You'd have to be a pretty desperate free agent to be hanging around waiting for this to be resolved. I would imagine that there are a fair few, e.g Ashley Williams released by Everton in the summer, ex Swansea and Wales. OK aged 34 but I would imagine that he could do a job at our level Signed for Bristol City today.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 24, 2019 19:23:53 GMT 1
Another stuffing at home 5-0 by Ipswich in front of the lowest ever crowd at the Reebok or whatever it’s now called 5400
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 24, 2019 20:57:27 GMT 1
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 24, 2019 21:20:08 GMT 1
Something not quite right about this takeover
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 24, 2019 21:59:14 GMT 1
Something not quite right about this takeover Has anyone else tried sprinkling chilli flakes on their exposed urethra? I found it uncomfortable but interested to hear any other views.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:00:32 GMT 1
Something not quite right about this takeover I would think todays attendance would make the prospective buyers think twice. I can understand people not wanting to see their team being smashed week after week but when a sale and the clubs very existence is in the balance I would have expected the fans to really be rallying around.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 24, 2019 22:45:59 GMT 1
Something not quite right about this takeover Has anyone else tried sprinkling chilli flakes on their exposed urethra? I found it uncomfortable but interested to hear any other views. What on earth are you twittering on about Geoffrey? Have you stopped taking your tablets?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Aug 24, 2019 23:32:49 GMT 1
I think it would be interesting to know what the club's view of all this is and whether it has made representations to the EFL.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Aug 24, 2019 23:34:35 GMT 1
Ashley Williams had turned into a complete cart horse - his performances against us last season being typical.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 25, 2019 7:45:25 GMT 1
I'm all for the EFL being tough, but this is just stupid, and makes them look like they're just making this up as they go along (they clearly are but really should at least try and disguise that). To wait until Saturday and then offer a Tuesday deadline, with a bank holiday, and right in the middle of holiday season, is just ridiculous. At the very least, why were Bolton not put on notice with 14 days. There's no mention in their statement about concern regarding the credibility of the league, but after three successive 5-0 rollovers, this situation is gifting clubs absolute walkovers, whereas those clubs playing them later in the season will come up against a stronger team. Even assuming Bolton lose at least another three points for their Doncaster debacle making them almost certain relegation fodder, it still rankles. Look at Tranmere, struggling to adjust to life in league one, just one win and three defeats, ooh, but that was 5-0 win against a bunch of kids. This takeover has been ongoing since at least May. Is it really rocket science for the EFL to write to them in May, explaining that the takeover has to be completed by 1st August, giving them notice of expulsion, checking in on them regularly during June and July, making sure everything is going ok, reminding them again and again of the August deadline. One final reminder in the last week of July, and boom, it's either sorted or the playing field is level and the integrity of the competition is protected. For me it's a simple situation already in that the integrity of the competition is shot, it's time to kick them out and level the playing field for all of us.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 25, 2019 11:27:18 GMT 1
There's no mention in their statement about concern regarding the credibility of the league, but after three successive 5-0 rollovers, this situation is gifting clubs absolute walkovers, whereas those clubs playing them later in the season will come up against a stronger team. I think they would rather avoid that point at all costs. As it is the main issue that many will have, it is why the credibility and the integrity of the division will be shot once Bolton get themselves sorted and start signing players again. It'll be interesting to see if this comes to a head towards the end of the season, if anyone who has managed to get themselves a nice easy 5-0 win edges ahead of anyone who didn't come up against a bunch of kids. I suppose those within the game wouldn't want to be seen being too harsh on a fellow club and Bolton but it would be good if 3rd division clubs (managers and boardrooms alike) could start making some noises about this. It's a farce.
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Post by tvor on Aug 26, 2019 10:49:26 GMT 1
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