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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 19, 2019 18:02:03 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 19, 2019 18:11:10 GMT 1
It's as if Bolton have a complete disregard for the EFL (in not even bothering to inform them of this decision before announcing it). I wonder why that would be. They're losing credibility big time here the EFL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 18:19:35 GMT 1
In my opinion it's time to put Bolton and Bury out of their misery.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 19, 2019 18:21:21 GMT 1
The situation with both clubs would be farcical if wasn’t so dreadful. For these situations to be allowed to happen is absolutely disgraceful from the EFL. It would appear that no thought or consideration is being given to the other clubs in the league whatsoever. No one is thinking anything through at all. Both clubs should leave the league and the whole of the EFL should resign. They are not fit for purpose. In the meantime perhaps ALL league one clubs should refuse to play and we’ll all have a season off shall we??!!!!!!! Quite like the sound of that to be fair... if every club suspended their fixtures until their kicked out of the league... Would be absolute mayhem! Seriously they both need kicking out. All teams should prove that their fit for purpose and can fund the season ahead before the fixtures are announced. Full stop. Then bring teams ups from the relevant divisions etc. ton fill up the leagues to their normal numbers. Biggest question is will the EFL ever learn? They’ve been shown up big style here.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 19, 2019 19:00:23 GMT 1
If Bury survive they will no doubt have the same problem, no players.It's an unprecedented position for the EFL to deal with. Perhaps the answer would be to tell both clubs that they are both suspended from L1 for the season, expunge Boltons results,and start both clubs in L2 next season
That will enable the rest of us to get on with a 22 team league and give both clubs 11 months to prepare for life in L2 next season
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 19, 2019 19:56:43 GMT 1
Agreed but it’s only unprecedented because the EFL did nothing when the problems were becoming apparent. Pah they are a load of humbugs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 20:00:12 GMT 1
If Bury survive they will no doubt have the same problem, no players.It's an unprecedented position for the EFL to deal with. Perhaps the answer would be to tell both clubs that they are both suspended from L1 for the season, expunge Boltons results,and start both clubs in L2 next season That will enable the rest of us to get on with a 22 team league and give both clubs 11 months to prepare for life in L2 next season Gone too far for that now. It wouldn’t be fair on tranmere to do this.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Aug 19, 2019 20:01:51 GMT 1
If Bury survive they will no doubt have the same problem, no players.It's an unprecedented position for the EFL to deal with. Perhaps the answer would be to tell both clubs that they are both suspended from L1 for the season, expunge Boltons results,and start both clubs in L2 next season That will enable the rest of us to get on with a 22 team league and give both clubs 11 months to prepare for life in L2 next season Would that mean we would a part refund on our season ticket?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 20:10:24 GMT 1
If Bury survive they will no doubt have the same problem, no players.It's an unprecedented position for the EFL to deal with. Perhaps the answer would be to tell both clubs that they are both suspended from L1 for the season, expunge Boltons results,and start both clubs in L2 next season That will enable the rest of us to get on with a 22 team league and give both clubs 11 months to prepare for life in L2 next season Gone too far for that now. It wouldn’t be fair on tranmere to do this. Incorrect. The only fair outcome for the rest of the league should neither club have the capacity to continue the season would be to expunge all results involving Bolton or Bury.
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Post by albionshrew on Aug 19, 2019 20:22:42 GMT 1
If the EFL don't expel Bolton after this cynical attempt to avoid certain defeat, in the hope that they might get a point or three at a later date, it's time for the EFL officials to resign and be replaced by a better calibre of management. Time also for Bolton (and Bury) to be expelled from the League for the rest of the season.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 19, 2019 20:34:54 GMT 1
Concerns over their emotional wellbeing cited as a factor. Seriously?! 19 year olds being expected to play four times in 11 days! This is absolute garbage, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. An utterly utterly cynical attempt to kick the can down the road, and to fulfil fixtures when they've signed players, and without the thought of even consulting with the EFL or even notifying Doncaster. The EFL have had a testing time recently and have been pretty unimpressive but this is a real test. Frankly, anything other than kicking them both out and their reputation will be absolutely shot.
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Post by callum on Aug 19, 2019 21:16:13 GMT 1
Concerns over their emotional wellbeing cited as a factor. Seriously?! 19 year olds being expected to play four times in 11 days! This is absolute garbage, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. An utterly utterly cynical attempt to kick the can down the road, and to fulfil fixtures when they've signed players, and without the thought of even consulting with the EFL or even notifying Doncaster. The EFL have had a testing time recently and have been pretty unimpressive but this is a real test. Frankly, anything other than kicking them both out and their reputation will both be absolutely shot. I wouldn't think one of those lads would be complaining of fatigue etc, I bet they can't believe their luck they are playing.
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Post by callum on Aug 19, 2019 21:18:36 GMT 1
If Bury survive they will no doubt have the same problem, no players.It's an unprecedented position for the EFL to deal with. Perhaps the answer would be to tell both clubs that they are both suspended from L1 for the season, expunge Boltons results,and start both clubs in L2 next season That will enable the rest of us to get on with a 22 team league and give both clubs 11 months to prepare for life in L2 next season Would that mean we would a part refund on our season ticket? As with previous offers regarding Bolton vs Town games you will receive a selection box!
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 19, 2019 22:51:57 GMT 1
Wait... So if Bolton and Bury are chucked out there'll only be two relegation spots then in League One this season? Is that fact or assumption? Trouble is unless they're kicked out of the EFL completely and into non league nobodies going to get relegated from League Two then as the teams filter upwards for next season? Would be completely unfair to increase the amount of teams relegated in either League One or Two. Promotion from the National League shouldn't be affected. All very confusing but I think I have that right!
A lot for the EFL to think about regarding relegation/promotion spots. Just thought I'd chuck this point in.
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Post by tvor on Aug 20, 2019 17:42:32 GMT 1
Wait... So if Bolton and Bury are chucked out there'll only be two relegation spots then in League One this season? Is that fact or assumption? It's fact. It's written into the competition rules that in these circumstances the season will be played with less teams in the division and the number of relegation spots reduced accordingly.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 20, 2019 17:47:52 GMT 1
Wait... So if Bolton and Bury are chucked out there'll only be two relegation spots then in League One this season? Is that fact or assumption? It's fact. It's written into the competition rules that in these circumstances the season will be played with less teams in the division and the number of relegation spots reduced accordingly. But if both Bury and Bolton are chucked out of the EFL, there will be nobody relegated from League 2 as there’s only 2 relegation spots.
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Post by tvor on Aug 20, 2019 17:49:57 GMT 1
It's fact. It's written into the competition rules that in these circumstances the season will be played with less teams in the division and the number of relegation spots reduced accordingly. But if both Bury and Bolton are chucked out of the EFL, there will be nobody relegated from League 2 as there’s only 2 relegation spots. The number of relegation spots would be reduced from four to two if both teams can't fulfill their fixtures.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 20, 2019 17:52:54 GMT 1
It's fact. It's written into the competition rules that in these circumstances the season will be played with less teams in the division and the number of relegation spots reduced accordingly. But if both Bury and Bolton are chucked out of the EFL, there will be nobody relegated from League 2 as there’s only 2 relegation spots. Perhaps not, or perhaps 1 or 2 would be relegated and 3 or 4 promoted from the National League to restore the numbers. Or perhaps Bolton and Bury would be relegated to League 2 but not expelled from the EFL altogether. Who knows? We're in uncharted waters and, for once, that doesn't refer to brexit!
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Post by venceremos on Aug 20, 2019 17:54:48 GMT 1
But if both Bury and Bolton are chucked out of the EFL, there will be nobody relegated from League 2 as there’s only 2 relegation spots. The number of relegation spots would be reduced from four to two if both teams can't fulfill their fixtures. But there'd still have to be 4 promoted from League 2 to restore League 1 to 24 clubs so, without Bury and Bolton, League 2 would be reduced to 22 unless fewer teams were relegated from it (or more promoted to it).
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 20, 2019 17:58:23 GMT 1
The number of relegation spots would be reduced from four to two if both teams can't fulfill their fixtures. But there'd still have to be 4 promoted from League 2 to restore League 1 to 24 clubs so, without Bury and Bolton, League 2 would be reduced to 22 unless fewer teams were relegated from it (or more promoted to it). If both Bolton & Bury went then no clubs would be relegated from League 2.
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Post by tvor on Aug 20, 2019 18:01:10 GMT 1
But there'd still have to be 4 promoted from League 2 to restore League 1 to 24 clubs so, without Bury and Bolton, League 2 would be reduced to 22 unless fewer teams were relegated from it (or more promoted to it). If both Bolton & Bury went then no clubs would be relegated from League 2. Have you seen something that confirms that position LetchworthShrew? What I previously read in the EFL rules lead me to believe that the number of relegation places is reduced in line with the number of teams not able to fulfill their fixtures. The EFL statement on Bury I linked above also refers to the number of relegation places being reduced to three if Bury cannot fulfill their fixtures.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 20, 2019 18:11:42 GMT 1
If both Bolton & Bury went then no clubs would be relegated from League 2. Have you seen something that confirms that position LetchworthShrew? What I previous read in the EFL rules lead me to believe that the number of relegation places is reduced in line with the number of teams not able to fulfill their fixtures. If both Bolton and Bury were expelled this season then under EFL rules there would only be 2 teams relegated from League 1 with the usual 4 promoted then to equalise teams in League 2 no teams would be relegated from League 2 and 2 would be promoted from the National League.
There is another shake up of the pyramid at the end of the season anyway so the National League and FA will sort out the imbalance due to no teams being relegated to the National League
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Post by tvor on Aug 20, 2019 18:20:47 GMT 1
But if both Bury and Bolton are chucked out of the EFL, there will be nobody relegated from League 2 as there’s only 2 relegation spots. Perhaps not, or perhaps 1 or 2 would be relegated and 3 or 4 promoted from the National League to restore the numbers. Or perhaps Bolton and Bury would be relegated to League 2 but not expelled from the EFL altogether. Who knows? We're in uncharted waters and, for once, that doesn't refer to brexit! The latest EFL statement on Bury refers to four teams still being promoted from League 2 so adjustments would have to be made elsewhere, e.g. League 2 relegation places and/or National League promotion places. www.efl.com/news/2019/august/efl-statement-bury-fc-update3/
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Post by tvor on Aug 20, 2019 18:22:35 GMT 1
Have you seen something that confirms that position LetchworthShrew? What I previous read in the EFL rules lead me to believe that the number of relegation places is reduced in line with the number of teams not able to fulfill their fixtures. If both Bolton and Bury were expelled this season then under EFL rules there would only be 2 teams relegated from League 1 with the usual 4 promoted then to equalise teams in League 2 no teams would be relegated from League 2 and 2 would be promoted from the National League.
There is another shake up of the pyramid at the end of the season anyway so the National League and FA will sort out the imbalance due to no teams being relegated to the National League
Thanks, apologies I misread your previous post.
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 20, 2019 18:33:55 GMT 1
If Bury and Bolton end up expelled from the EFL maybe its time to revisit the format of the leagues generally. I for one would be in favour of three teams coming up from the conference with two automatic spots. At the moment that league is an absolute b***h to get out of and I think it would help rebalance the whole system.
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Post by tvor on Aug 20, 2019 18:56:56 GMT 1
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Aug 20, 2019 19:49:57 GMT 1
If Bury and Bolton end up expelled from the EFL maybe its time to revisit the format of the leagues generally. I for one would be in favour of three teams coming up from the conference with two automatic spots. At the moment that league is an absolute b***h to get out of and I think it would help rebalance the whole system. If this debacle ends in a double expulsion the EFL has to seriously look at its fit and proper tests and include tests for clubs being promoted into the EFL. I don't believe allowing for more clubs to enter is the answer because quite simply there are too many "one man and his money outfits " at the top of the Conference, eg Solihull Moors, Harrogate Town, AFC Fylde and the like. These clubs have neither the infrastructure nor the level of support to sustain as long term viable professional football league clubs There are several recent examples were the money man has walked away because he hasn't achieved what he wanted-: Braintree- Season before last got to the play off final, lost to Tranmere. Last season got relegated Boreham Wood- Money man has announced that he is going to seriously look at his investment because last weelends "big game" against Sutton Utd only drew in 43 paying spectators, after deducting season ticket holders and Sutton Utd fans North Feriby United- Village team from outside Hull who got to the Conference backed by financial support from the wife of the Hull City chairman ( el allam??) When the financial support went they closed down and have had to start all over again. Most famous of them all is of course Gretna, backed by I think it was Brooks Mileson...from the Lowland League to the SPL and a Scottish F.A Cup Final appearance !. The owner dies, family immeadiately cut off the financial life line and they are dead within weeks. Reformed as Gretna 2008 and back in the Scottish Lowland League If it means that L2 has to operate with 21,22 or 23 teams in it then so be it, better to have that than to be dealing with this car crash situation. Alternatively perhaps we need to look at how the Germans do it, I know Stutty posted something a year or so back about every club has to be profitable or face relegation in Germany. At the time I thought to myself if they ever introduced that over here we would be in The Championship at least
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 20, 2019 19:49:57 GMT 1
If Bury and Bolton end up expelled from the EFL maybe its time to revisit the format of the leagues generally. I for one would be in favour of three teams coming up from the conference with two automatic spots. At the moment that league is an absolute b***h to get out of and I think it would help rebalance the whole system. No. I’m against anything that would give them sheep shaggers any increased chance of getting out of non league. 11th season in non league and counting...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 20, 2019 20:49:41 GMT 1
I can't recall what I posted but here in Germany clubs need to apply for a license in order to play in the league in which they are qualified to play. So a short description of this is available here... The Bundesliga licensing processI guess there is more detail available someplace else. If you do not meet these standards then I think you can accept relegation and apply for a license to play at a lower league (for example, I think 1860 did this a short time ago and dropped a couple of divisions as they couldn't meet the requirements or the 3rd Liga). So at some point, you then find a level where your situation meets the requirements. And looking to when clubs apply and are informed if they have the license, this means this sort of thing is normally all sorted before a ball has been kicked. I have no idea if this sort of thing is in operation in English football already, mind.
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Post by tvor on Aug 20, 2019 20:59:01 GMT 1
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