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Post by mattmw on Mar 10, 2019 17:43:52 GMT 1
My big worry with Ricketts - and it was at the time he was appointed - is his lack of experience of management full stop. It must be difficult enough learning how to manage characters, formations, scouting opposition etc without the added pressure of a relegation campaign as well. Remember, he has a management team around him and a performance analysist. He's not alone. Though the buck stops with Ricketts, it's a collective failing and that includes the players. Personally, I think RW and BC choked and got rid of Askey too early. As for getting rid of Ricketts whatever happens, I really don't see the point. It's clear what type of manager the Club wants, we'll either get lucky, or we won't. I get the point about him having a team around him, but unless I’m mistaken none of them have management experience - other than Coyne’s brief stints as caretaker manager Getting young managers with new ideas and approaches is good, but think having an older more experienced head within the team who has been there and seen it over a few seasons would be helpful It’s not so much tactical stuff but maybe just advice on consistency of approach, training and the day to day stuff that helps players get the best out of themselves Just get the sense with Ricketts that’s he’s got lots of good ideas and thoughts on the game, but maybe needs and old head to guide him on when and how to implement them. Always think Peters did a good approach when he over from Quinn and a decent but disorganised squad and gave them simple tactics to follow which eventually saw us avoid relegation that season. He wasn’t the long term manager we needed but was just what was required at the time. What we need now is a clear head and plan for the remaining games - not sure where that is coming from
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Post by shrewsace on Mar 10, 2019 18:38:10 GMT 1
Remember, he has a management team around him and a performance analysist. He's not alone. Though the buck stops with Ricketts, it's a collective failing and that includes the players. Personally, I think RW and BC choked and got rid of Askey too early. As for getting rid of Ricketts whatever happens, I really don't see the point. It's clear what type of manager the Club wants, we'll either get lucky, or we won't. I get the point about him having a team around him, but unless I’m mistaken none of them have management experience - other than Coyne’s brief stints as caretaker manager Getting young managers with new ideas and approaches is good, but think having an older more experienced head within the team who has been there and seen it over a few seasons would be helpful It’s not so much tactical stuff but maybe just advice on consistency of approach, training and the day to day stuff that helps players get the best out of themselves Just get the sense with Ricketts that’s he’s got lots of good ideas and thoughts on the game, but maybe needs and old head to guide him on when and how to implement them. Always think Peters did a good approach when he over from Quinn and a decent but disorganised squad and gave them simple tactics to follow which eventually saw us avoid relegation that season. He wasn’t the long term manager we needed but was just what was required at the time. What we need now is a clear head and plan for the remaining games - not sure where that is coming from Think you're selling Peters a bit short there - from a one-way ticket back to the Conference to the L2 play-off final within two-and-a-bit seasons was some going. Struggled the first season at Oteley Road, but if any manager of recent times deserved a bit more time/loyalty it was him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 19:20:24 GMT 1
Remember, he has a management team around him and a performance analysist. He's not alone. Though the buck stops with Ricketts, it's a collective failing and that includes the players. Personally, I think RW and BC choked and got rid of Askey too early. As for getting rid of Ricketts whatever happens, I really don't see the point. It's clear what type of manager the Club wants, we'll either get lucky, or we won't. I get the point about him having a team around him, but unless I’m mistaken none of them have management experience - other than Coyne’s brief stints as caretaker manager Getting young managers with new ideas and approaches is good, but think having an older more experienced head within the team who has been there and seen it over a few seasons would be helpful It’s not so much tactical stuff but maybe just advice on consistency of approach, training and the day to day stuff that helps players get the best out of themselves Just get the sense with Ricketts that’s he’s got lots of good ideas and thoughts on the game, but maybe needs and old head to guide him on when and how to implement them. Always think Peters did a good approach when he over from Quinn and a decent but disorganised squad and gave them simple tactics to follow which eventually saw us avoid relegation that season. He wasn’t the long term manager we needed but was just what was required at the time. What we need now is a clear head and plan for the remaining games - not sure where that is coming from My response was really about what you said about scouting etc. I don't disagree with what you said, but I think it's important to look at the whole coaching and management structure.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 10, 2019 22:02:43 GMT 1
I get the point about him having a team around him, but unless I’m mistaken none of them have management experience - other than Coyne’s brief stints as caretaker manager Getting young managers with new ideas and approaches is good, but think having an older more experienced head within the team who has been there and seen it over a few seasons would be helpful It’s not so much tactical stuff but maybe just advice on consistency of approach, training and the day to day stuff that helps players get the best out of themselves Just get the sense with Ricketts that’s he’s got lots of good ideas and thoughts on the game, but maybe needs and old head to guide him on when and how to implement them. Always think Peters did a good approach when he over from Quinn and a decent but disorganised squad and gave them simple tactics to follow which eventually saw us avoid relegation that season. He wasn’t the long term manager we needed but was just what was required at the time. What we need now is a clear head and plan for the remaining games - not sure where that is coming from Think you're selling Peters a bit short there - from a one-way ticket back to the Conference to the L2 play-off final within two-and-a-bit seasons was some going. Struggled the first season at Oteley Road, but if any manager of recent times deserved a bit more time/loyalty it was him. Yes wording on that was a bit harsh. Still rate that first 6 months Peter's was in charge as probably the most important in our recent history. The way he go a misfiring team to play together was a master stroke. Had we gone straight back to the Conference who knows where the club would be now. Got many happy memories of his time in charge but felt he never quite know how to get us playing on the New Meadow, and didn't really trust some of the flair players we started to sign round that time. Think he wouldn't be a bad shout to get in to support Ricketts for the remainder of the season to be honest
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 17:43:58 GMT 1
I note that Sam has “hinted “that there could be changes for Tuesday’s game ! “We’ll assess it and see who is back in and available , whether certain players can go again on a Saturday- Tuesday or we’ve got the option to bring in some fresh legs . Above as reported in Sloppie Star .
I think he will make changes , how many God only knows but it looks as if Bolton will be out with an ankle injury .
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Mar 11, 2019 18:07:11 GMT 1
The facts are if we survive Ricketts will be given a chance to strengthen in the closed season and start next season in charge. He may or may not have the ability to compete for a mid table finish which would secure his job but can’t see him competing for promotion. Don’t think RW would splash the cash with him incharge and we’d have another £601 k spent with a spin we’d spent more than ever to strengthen... if we get relagated it would most likely to be after a home defeat to Walsall on the last day of the season and I can’t see him surviving the toxic atmosphere this would create, Roland would have a root and branch review and we be back to square 1. BC and RW would be under pressure for not bringing Hurst back and making two poor appointments, fans would be divided and the SP would smooth the water somehow. personally I’d still turn up because unlike some deluded fans who expect success, you don’t support Shrewsbury to witness silky football or success (apart from the odd season) but because you support STFC and lower league football. (Unless it turned really toxic Ricketts stayed and we had to do a Blackpool to see changes made but don’t think our fan base would be up for it and in fairness can’t compare RW with other clubs delusionaly poor owners .... quite) Best post on here for a while, someone who knows a little bit about structure and stability being massive in a business scenario, which is what we are. How many here work for a get rich quick, hire them and fire them business, and enjoy it for the short time it prevails.
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Post by jamo on Apr 22, 2019 17:30:16 GMT 1
I’ve changed my mind. He should go now.
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Post by tvor on Apr 22, 2019 17:37:39 GMT 1
Sadly I'm resigned to Ricketts still being in charge at the start of next season but the thought that he will be fills me with absolutely no confidence and I cringe to think what he may do with the transfer budget this summer.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 22, 2019 17:42:27 GMT 1
The first half of last summer was wasted with trying to bring in a new manager, then he needs time to judge the players and make plans, then before you know it we’re in panic-buying territory and another season of transition at best.
I’d be more confident that Ricketts already knows what he wants and work can start as soon as this season finishes. His two big name January signings (Campbell and Williams) are two of the main reasons we probably won’t go down.
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Post by block18shrew on Apr 22, 2019 18:02:30 GMT 1
I’m sorry but trying to justify that performance by citing Wigan’s backs to the wall display with 10 at Leeds last week and the fact maybe the Barnsley game it out of the players sums up SR’s desperation. At least Leeds had 36 shots and 80% possession. Oxford looked comfortable. Every other team had also played 2 games over Easter. Utterly clueless I’m afraid.
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Post by accordingtome on Apr 22, 2019 18:08:40 GMT 1
First game since before wolves, just reminded me why I stopped going and haven't renewed s/t. Only went cos nobody wanted free ticket
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 22, 2019 18:11:54 GMT 1
First game since before wolves, just reminded me why I stopped going and haven't renewed s/t. Only went cos nobody wanted free ticket Well over 6,000 obviously did. Fair weather supporter.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 22, 2019 18:12:09 GMT 1
Starting to bring up the portion of humble pie I thought it apt to swallow recently.
Can't lay everything at Ricketts' door, but how did we throw away a 2-1 lead against 10 men?
My central misgiving - that we gave a League One job to a rookie Conference manager - remains.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 22, 2019 18:15:57 GMT 1
Oh what I wouldn’t give to have Gary Peters back.
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Post by Ambergambler on Apr 22, 2019 18:32:21 GMT 1
Oh what I wouldn’t give to have Gary Peters back. Yeah because Peters ball was so good to watch😜
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:34:20 GMT 1
Oh what I wouldn’t give to have Gary Peters back. Yeah because Peters ball was so good to watch😜 And only a matter of time before some suggests Turner
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Post by tdk on Apr 22, 2019 18:45:55 GMT 1
Yeah because Peters ball was so good to watch😜 And only a matter of time before some suggests Turner Askey got a good result again 😜
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 22, 2019 18:47:37 GMT 1
And only a matter of time before some suggests Turner Askey got a good result again 😜 We'll be signing Dave Edwards next. Oh...
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Apr 22, 2019 18:48:43 GMT 1
There are many players today who need to take a long hard look at themselves.
Ricketts has some blame, but 2 defensive BLUNDERS today were not his fault (except why does he pick Waterfall!!)
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 22, 2019 18:55:32 GMT 1
Oh what I wouldn’t give to have Gary Peters back. Yeah because Peters ball was so good to watch😜 I meant more the attitude he instilled in our players. Agree it wasn’t that good to watch but at this late stage I don’t care.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 19:02:31 GMT 1
I disagree about not the blame of Ricketts...
they came out 2nd half... and sat back... no urgency... i called the equaliser 5 mins before it came. we sat back soaked up pressure with the hope of hitting them on the counter to put the game out of reach, they grew in confidence... with our back line we cant play that game,
we should have come out all guns blazing and battered them until we got the 3rd
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Post by accordingtome on Apr 22, 2019 19:15:20 GMT 1
First game since before wolves, just reminded me why I stopped going and haven't renewed s/t. Only went cos nobody wanted free ticket Well over 6,000 obviously did. Fair weather supporter. money to burn have you? Good luck next season in L2. Least there'll still be the gippo derby to look forward to
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 22, 2019 19:27:59 GMT 1
I disagree about not the blame of Ricketts... they came out 2nd half... and sat back... no urgency... i called the equaliser 5 mins before it came. we sat back soaked up pressure with the hope of hitting them on the counter to put the game out of reach, they grew in confidence... with our back line we cant play that game, we should have come out all guns blazing and battered them until we got the 3rd I'm not sure we sat back. The two goals they scored second half were a result of sitting so high up the pitch and allowing their forward a race against our ponderous defense. When we did have the ball however (and Oxford were able to keep it better than us even with ten men), we just looked lethargic and clueless as to get around them. We just seemed to pass it from left to right and then back again. It wasn't working that's for sure and unfortunately Ricketts didn't appear to know how to get it working. Still, first season in management.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 22, 2019 20:06:10 GMT 1
I disagree about not the blame of Ricketts... they came out 2nd half... and sat back... no urgency... i called the equaliser 5 mins before it came. we sat back soaked up pressure with the hope of hitting them on the counter to put the game out of reach, they grew in confidence... with our back line we cant play that game, we should have come out all guns blazing and battered them until we got the 3rd I'm not sure we sat back. The two goals they scored second half were a result of sitting so high up the pitch and allowing their forward a race against our ponderous defense. When we did have the ball however (and Oxford were able to keep it better than us even with ten men), we just looked lethargic and clueless as to get around them. We just seemed to pass it from left to right and then back again. It wasn't working that's for sure and unfortunately Ricketts didn't appear to know how to get it working. Still, first season in management. I agree. With hindsight I think we would have a point at least if we had sat back. We played a half-arsed press, mostly in their half, when we could have let them have the ball there and kept our shape. We made it too easy for a team that could pass as well as them to draw us out and knock it around us. If you’re going to press, make sure you’re right at their throats, otherwise, stay back, they were a man down. Our lethargic play when we did get the ball prevented us making the numerical advantage count but I don’t think the manager can be blamed for that. Not much he can do to change the tempo once play begins.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 22, 2019 23:02:26 GMT 1
wow
lets bring the waterfall threads back up too
rickets stated a month back that the main problem when he over was fitness
in recent weeks Pompey - Barnsley we maybe should have won every game, we didnt but our squad is lacking in quality but we improved immensely
and now the first time since then we have 2 games in a week , bang we hit the wall after an hour due to the lack of fitness
guys its simple if rickets keeps us up, he at least gets a shot at next season he's promised fitness won't be an issue
had today been the opening game of the season, yes we have problems but it wasn't
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Post by Pilch on Apr 22, 2019 23:04:35 GMT 1
I disagree about not the blame of Ricketts... they came out 2nd half... and sat back... no urgency... i called the equaliser 5 mins before it came. we sat back soaked up pressure with the hope of hitting them on the counter to put the game out of reach, they grew in confidence... with our back line we cant play that game, we should have come out all guns blazing and battered them until we got the 3rd maybe we could use your tactics v coventry batter them until we score sounds easy
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Post by JohnG on Apr 22, 2019 23:18:12 GMT 1
wow lets bring the waterfall threads back up too rickets stated a month back that the main problem when he over was fitness in recent weeks Pompey - Barnsley we maybe should have won every game, we didnt but our squad is lacking in quality but we improved immensely and now the first time since then we have 2 games in a week , bang we hit the wall after an hour due to the lack of fitness guys its simple if rickets keeps us up, he at least gets a shot at next season he's promised fitness won't be an issue had today been the opening game of the season, yes we have problems but it wasn't I don't buy the "lack of fitness" excuse at this stage of the season. Following his explanation for player rotation at the "select few meeting", if he was concerned about fitness, after a tough game at Barnsley, surely today required some rotation? Sears was unlucky to be dropped, and I have no idea why Haynes is nowhere to be seen? In this formation the wing backs are key, and Bolton and Golbourne offered nothing today. I don't understand the like for like substitutions today. We didn't need 3 centre halves on the pitch second half, change the shape, Oxford were there to be beaten, we didn't, very poor!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 6:17:46 GMT 1
Yesterday had nothing to do with fitness, it was about not reacting to how Oxford set up in the second half.
It seems Ricketts still has to convince the majority of what his plan is.
He got some abuse from block 17 yesterday.
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Post by horse01 on Apr 23, 2019 9:08:21 GMT 1
Yesterday had nothing to do with fitness, it was about not reacting to how Oxford set up in the second half. It seems Ricketts still has to convince the majority of what his plan is. He got some abuse from block 17 yesterday. Perhaps SR should invite us all to one of his informal meetings, then we might all end up convinced??!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 9:13:50 GMT 1
I disagree about not the blame of Ricketts... they came out 2nd half... and sat back... no urgency... i called the equaliser 5 mins before it came. we sat back soaked up pressure with the hope of hitting them on the counter to put the game out of reach, they grew in confidence... with our back line we cant play that game, we should have come out all guns blazing and battered them until we got the 3rd maybe we could use your tactics v coventry batter them until we score sounds easy Well if we are 2-1 up, against 10 men and controlling the game at HOME as we were yesterday then yes, but as we are away and not played a minute then perhaps we should see how the game is going, But do not let that stop your smart arse comments....
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