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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 9:14:06 GMT 1
The lack of fitness? What a lame excuse at this stage of the season. I don't 't buy it and I don't think many on this board do either.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 23, 2019 9:17:47 GMT 1
Yesterday had nothing to do with fitness, it was about not reacting to how Oxford set up in the second half. It seems Ricketts still has to convince the majority of what his plan is. He got some abuse from block 17 yesterday. Perhaps SR should invite us all to one of his informal meetings, then we might all end up convinced??!!!! I Went and was not convinced, listened to what he said and was clear its a results business, the good run after that which will (probably) keep us up has brought him more time, but stuff like Saturday gives me lots of long term concerns, about how much learning on the job will costs us again next season. Dont think he will go, but it will be sink or swim first 4 months of next season, and having listened to everything he had to say if we are down the bottom again I will have lost all remaining faith I had that his long term plan is not anything more than hot air!
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Post by horse01 on Apr 23, 2019 9:19:22 GMT 1
Lack of fitness is a joke. Even if it was bad when he arrived, which I believe it wasn’t great, he has had since the start of December to address the issue. If it is so much of an issue, then the fitness coach should be held to account and to not do anything to improve the situation is nothing short of negligent.
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Post by horse01 on Apr 23, 2019 9:23:05 GMT 1
Perhaps SR should invite us all to one of his informal meetings, then we might all end up convinced??!!!! I Went and was not convinced, listened to what he said and was clear its a results business, the good run after that which will (probably) keep us up has brought him more time, but stuff like Saturday gives me lots of long term concerns, about how much learning on the job will costs us again next season. Dont think he will go, but it will be sink or swim first 4 months of next season, and having listened to everything he had to say if we are down the bottom again I will have lost all remaining faith I had that his long term plan is not anything more than hot air! To be fair, I know you addressed it in the meeting with him (as you may have mentioned on the pod??!!) and I had been banging on about it for weeks if not months before, but the slight upturn in results in no small way coincided with the end of his pathetic rotation policy!! If he really has to learn on the job at our expense, the very least he should do is have an experienced assistant mentoring him
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Post by blamber on Apr 23, 2019 10:00:23 GMT 1
Lack of fitness? What nonsense. We were playing against ten men! We were 2-1 up. At home. Against a team that had nothing to play for other than professional pride. What was he saying to the players at half time? Where were they were going for their holidays? Ricketts promised the supporters when he was appointed that his teams would always give 100%. Well, that didn't happen second half. They took their foot off the gas and that's unforgivable for a team in our position.
There will be no appetite at board level to move Ricketts on if we stay up. But alarm bells should be ringing. For the second half, there was no attempt to tweak the tactics to exploit the extra man and score a third. Why not? I just worry that for all the training manuals he's studied Ricketts just doesn't have any natural managerial savvy that others are blessed with. Brian should be pushing for a more experienced mentor to come in over the summer to help him out. But will the club pay for it?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 23, 2019 10:32:54 GMT 1
He also complained about fitness a lot at the meeting but you have to say if it was SUCH a massive thing then his transfer window is also baffling... not many of them improved the fitness of the squad did they...
Goldborne (who was not fit for ages) Campbell (who he admitted cant play more than 70 mins (less now by the looks), Payne (who hardly played) Charles Cooke (hardly played ever!) Vincelot (Injury Prone then got injured) Edwards (Not fit after long injury lay off, then got injured... twice) Brad Walker (Likely fit, as had been playing but the sent him out on loan)
Ypu could say only Ro Williams, Mitchell and Smith (!) IMPROVED the fitness of the squad....
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Post by bictonshrew on Apr 23, 2019 10:38:29 GMT 1
We weren't up for it, simply as that. Players think they're safe (league wise), and after Oxford went down to 10 and we went 2-1 up it made them even more 'relaxed'.
At times in the first half it felt like a pre-season friendly. Definitely an end of season/nothing to play for game. The drinks breaks didn't help any urgency levels either.
If you're not up for it, you won't win anything.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 23, 2019 11:27:39 GMT 1
We weren't up for it, simply as that. Players think they're safe (league wise), and after Oxford went down to 10 and we went 2-1 up it made them even more 'relaxed'. At times in the first half it felt like a pre-season friendly. Definitely an end of season/nothing to play for game. The drinks breaks didn't help any urgency levels either. If you're not up for it, you won't win anything. we took our foot of the gas and stopped pressing them high up the park, we totally failed to exploit the extra man we where not up for it in the second half .
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2019 11:31:29 GMT 1
The lack of fitness? What a lame excuse at this stage of the season. I don't 't buy it and I don't think many on this board do either. this stage of the season ? does this mean if you run a marathon you are fitter at the end than you are at the start ? according to rickets they did virtually nothing pre season in comparison to the season before the players are unfit and struggle to play twice a week, thats askeys fault a problem sam says can only be fully rectified during the pre season yesterday was the kind of performance we used to put in when we regularly played sat/tue if you didn't see us suddenly hit the wall yesterday I'm not sure what game you were watching a lot are now asking why he didn't rotate damned if you do , damned if you don't it seems no one has moaned at Doherty for trying to be cockey and score with some sort of cheeky flick no one has moaned at grant for looking like a bloke who's been stranded in the desert for a week without water just the usual suspects lets blame waterfall and rickets fickle is an understatement
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2019 11:37:00 GMT 1
Lack of fitness? What nonsense. We were playing against ten men! We were 2-1 up. At home. Against a team that had nothing to play for other than professional pride. What was he saying to the players at half time? Where were they were going for their holidays? Ricketts promised the supporters when he was appointed that his teams would always give 100%. Well, that didn't happen second half. They took their foot off the gas and that's unforgivable for a team in our position. There will be no appetite at board level to move Ricketts on if we stay up. But alarm bells should be ringing. For the second half, there was no attempt to tweak the tactics to exploit the extra man and score a third. Why not? I just worry that for all the training manuals he's studied Ricketts just doesn't have any natural managerial savvy that others are blessed with. Brian should be pushing for a more experienced mentor to come in over the summer to help him out. But will the club pay for it? what were Oxford thinking of ? 2-1 down 10 men away why didn't they just roll over and die
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Post by Mortgagehound on Apr 23, 2019 11:47:57 GMT 1
The lack of fitness? What a lame excuse at this stage of the season. I don't 't buy it and I don't think many on this board do either. this stage of the season ? does this mean if you run a marathon you are fitter at the end than you are at the start ? according to rickets they did virtually nothing pre season in comparison to the season before the players are unfit and struggle to play twice a week, thats askeys fault a problem sam says can only be fully rectified during the pre season yesterday was the kind of performance we used to put in when we regularly played sat/tue if you didn't see us suddenly hit the wall yesterday I'm not sure what game you were watching a lot are now asking why he didn't rotate damned if you do , damned if you don't it seems no one has moaned at Doherty for trying to be cockey and score with some sort of cheeky flick no one has moaned at grant for looking like a bloke who's been stranded in the desert for a week without water just the usual suspects lets blame waterfall and rickets fickle is an understatement Might have won it yesterday with Arnie in Net - as 1 on 1's being his speciality. Thought Mitchell was poor for a couple of the goals. The first at Barnsley looked like it could have been stopped ? - thoughts?
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 23, 2019 11:50:59 GMT 1
There are many players today who need to take a long hard look at themselves. Ricketts has some blame, but 2 defensive BLUNDERS today were not his fault (except why does he pick Waterfall!!) Not really defensive blunders more playing defenders with no pace and you can’t blame the pLayers for that..... should have changed things after the first breakaway goal.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 23, 2019 11:53:01 GMT 1
On Ricketts, there is still a undercurrent of that fact hes not well liked....
At the end he came over to the West stand and got Booed... not general boos, directed at him...
Even when we limp though this season, I cant see anything but a good start not resulting in those booing him Saturday already calling for his head...
He needs a great summer and decent start... he might then be able to move forward at the club.
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Post by suttonshrew on Apr 23, 2019 12:02:50 GMT 1
We just need to get over the line and then everyone needs to sit down and evaluate the season. The undertone is the fans are fed up and in some cases pretty angry. It’s been a very long, frustrating and disappointing season. If Sam stays he needs a couple of decent signings quickly to get the fans excited because at the moment we just seem stuck in a rut.
Regardless of who’s manager it’s going to have to be a big turnaround in players again to stop us being in this position again next season.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2019 12:57:03 GMT 1
this stage of the season ? does this mean if you run a marathon you are fitter at the end than you are at the start ? according to rickets they did virtually nothing pre season in comparison to the season before the players are unfit and struggle to play twice a week, thats askeys fault a problem sam says can only be fully rectified during the pre season yesterday was the kind of performance we used to put in when we regularly played sat/tue if you didn't see us suddenly hit the wall yesterday I'm not sure what game you were watching a lot are now asking why he didn't rotate damned if you do , damned if you don't it seems no one has moaned at Doherty for trying to be cockey and score with some sort of cheeky flick no one has moaned at grant for looking like a bloke who's been stranded in the desert for a week without water just the usual suspects lets blame waterfall and rickets fickle is an understatement Might have won it yesterday with Arnie in Net - as 1 on 1's being his speciality. Thought Mitchell was poor for a couple of the goals. The first at Barnsley looked like it could have been stopped ? - thoughts? he couldn't have done any worse on the 1 on 1s thats for sure, and the early 2nd half warning from Whyte would have sneaked in near post if on target but would Arnold have come out for those first half corners , caught them and bowled the ball out swiftly I guess we'd have won as he'd still be holding it now ;-)
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 23, 2019 12:58:52 GMT 1
Thinking about it utterly frustrating about 1 on 1s over Easter
At Barnsley We missed three! The back at home we conceded 2!
Madness really!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 13:18:57 GMT 1
The lack of fitness? What a lame excuse at this stage of the season. I don't 't buy it and I don't think many on this board do either. this stage of the season ? does this mean if you run a marathon you are fitter at the end than you are at the start ? according to rickets they did virtually nothing pre season in comparison to the season before the players are unfit and struggle to play twice a week, thats askeys fault a problem sam says can only be fully rectified during the pre season yesterday was the kind of performance we used to put in when we regularly played sat/tue if you didn't see us suddenly hit the wall yesterday I'm not sure what game you were watching a lot are now asking why he didn't rotate damned if you do , damned if you don't it seems no one has moaned at Doherty for trying to be cockey and score with some sort of cheeky flick no one has moaned at grant for looking like a bloke who's been stranded in the desert for a week without water just the usual suspects lets blame waterfall and rickets fickle is an understatement I'll stick with the majority view thanks. Using lack of fitness as an excuse? Come off it. Most lame reason I've heard all season.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 23, 2019 13:23:56 GMT 1
On Ricketts, there is still a undercurrent of that fact hes not well liked.... At the end he came over to the West stand and got Booed... not general boos, directed at him... Even when we limp though this season, I cant see anything but a good start not resulting in those booing him Saturday already calling for his head... He needs a great summer and decent start... he might then be able to move forward at the club. They boo him when we're not even playing!? Didn't realise it had got that bad! I shared the frustration (didn't boo, just sulked off) but my anger was directed towards the players. Yet again, they've got away with the manager being targeted for their inability to work properly as a team. Yet again they play well for 45 minutes, then disappear. Beyond redemption for me - I don't really care which players leave this summer, I just want to see a new team in August. I'm not saying any individual players don't have their qualities but there just isn't a decent team to be had from this group. The mess that has been this season isn't all down to two managers and the board.
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Post by percy on Apr 23, 2019 13:28:10 GMT 1
If we get rid of the manager at the end of the season without an immediate replacement it will mess up both summer recruitment and pre-season training.
If we are going to make a change then Brian must already have the replacement lined up; otherwise we are better off backing Ricketts and giving him a go at next season.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2019 14:16:38 GMT 1
this stage of the season ? does this mean if you run a marathon you are fitter at the end than you are at the start ? according to rickets they did virtually nothing pre season in comparison to the season before the players are unfit and struggle to play twice a week, thats askeys fault a problem sam says can only be fully rectified during the pre season yesterday was the kind of performance we used to put in when we regularly played sat/tue if you didn't see us suddenly hit the wall yesterday I'm not sure what game you were watching a lot are now asking why he didn't rotate damned if you do , damned if you don't it seems no one has moaned at Doherty for trying to be cockey and score with some sort of cheeky flick no one has moaned at grant for looking like a bloke who's been stranded in the desert for a week without water just the usual suspects lets blame waterfall and rickets fickle is an understatement I'll stick with the majority view thanks. Using lack of fitness as an excuse? Come off it. Most lame reason I've heard all season. You stick with the view of a couple of others if you like I’ll stick with the facts
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 23, 2019 14:51:14 GMT 1
We just need to get over the line and then everyone needs to sit down and evaluate the season. The undertone is the fans are fed up and in some cases pretty angry. It’s been a very long, frustrating and disappointing season. If Sam stays he needs a couple of decent signings quickly to get the fans excited because at the moment we just seem stuck in a rut. Regardless of who’s manager it’s going to have to be a big turnaround in players again to stop us being in this position again next season. The problem is will RW and BC trust him enough to FULLY back him in the ‘big turnaraound’ Mentioned or would it be half hearted with one thought ‘what if things look bad after 10 games’ (or even 13!) ............ If he does remain and builds ‘his’ team during the summer it will have to hit the ground running as following Askeys early sacking by RW fans now expect instant success or get rid...... Some difficult decisions to make
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Post by suttonshrew on Apr 23, 2019 15:12:24 GMT 1
We just need to get over the line and then everyone needs to sit down and evaluate the season. The undertone is the fans are fed up and in some cases pretty angry. It’s been a very long, frustrating and disappointing season. If Sam stays he needs a couple of decent signings quickly to get the fans excited because at the moment we just seem stuck in a rut. Regardless of who’s manager it’s going to have to be a big turnaround in players again to stop us being in this position again next season. The problem is will RW and BC trust him enough to FULLY back him in the ‘big turnaraound’ Mentioned or would it be half hearted with one thought ‘what if things look bad after 10 games’ (or even 13!) ............ If he does remain and builds ‘his’ team during the summer it will have to hit the ground running as following Askeys early sacking by RW fans now expect instant success or get rid...... Some difficult decisions to make as fans do we expect instant success? i'm not convinced we do, before yesterday with the recent performances i thought Ricketts had started to win over the fans, the atmosphere especially online had improved and it looked like we were starting to improve, then in 45 mins we are back to square one. The look on Sams face at the end said it all for me, he was as frustrated and angry as we were. For me if you cant back your manager 100% going into a new season you have to question if hes the right person. For me if he keeps us up he deserves the chance to prove to us hes been dealt a bad hand this season, if we go down then the fans will dictate what happens next.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 15:35:23 GMT 1
I'll stick with the majority view thanks. Using lack of fitness as an excuse? Come off it. Most lame reason I've heard all season. You stick with the view of a couple of others if you like I’ll stick with the facts Facts? I thought it was more about opinions, but then again I don't sit at the top table, I'm just your average Joe 😉
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Post by another fine mess on Apr 23, 2019 15:48:57 GMT 1
Someone mentioned facts. Here are a few:
• Ricketts’ record isn’t good. • He has been in charge for about 30 games (including cup matches). That’s long enough to judge whether he’s any good and more than our board needed to judge him at Wrexham. • He would have been sacked earlier in the season but wasn’t because we’d already sacked a manger this season • Ricketts is blaming Askey for much that’s wrong and especially for poor fitness despite having 5 months to put it right. • We will probably stay up but in a lower position than when he took over. • This season has been terrible. That’s not all Ricketts’ fault but he bears some of the responsibility. • Performances have been better lately. • Recent results have not been good (7 points from the last 18 available or 1.17 per game).
So, the question is whether it is a good idea to entrust next season to him.
I doubt you would if you were an investor and trying to decide why anything will be better in the future.
I’d say that appointing Ricketts was a reckless gamble that has not paid off.
We’re probably going to get away with it but why put ourselves through this again?
I know that any appointment is a gamble, but some are riskier than others.
With Ricketts we know what we’re going to get, and it isn’t very good.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 23, 2019 16:34:30 GMT 1
Someone mentioned facts. Here are a few:
• Ricketts’ record isn’t good. • He has been in charge for about 30 games (including cup matches). That’s long enough to judge whether he’s any good and more than our board needed to judge him at Wrexham. • He would have been sacked earlier in the season but wasn’t because we’d already sacked a manger this season • Ricketts is blaming Askey for much that’s wrong and especially for poor fitness despite having 5 months to put it right. • We will probably stay up but in a lower position than when he took over. • This season has been terrible. That’s not all Ricketts’ fault but he bears some of the responsibility. • Performances have been better lately. • Recent results have not been good (7 points from the last 18 available or 1.17 per game).
So, the question is whether it is a good idea to entrust next season to him.
I doubt you would if you were an investor and trying to decide why anything will be better in the future.
I’d say that appointing Ricketts was a reckless gamble that has not paid off.
We’re probably going to get away with it but why put ourselves through this again?
I know that any appointment is a gamble, but some are riskier than others.
With Ricketts we know what we’re going to get, and it isn’t very good. I think you're being overly generous to yourself with your "facts". The whiff of opinion is strong.
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Post by another fine mess on Apr 23, 2019 17:52:44 GMT 1
Yes, the 3rd one's just opinion but based on what happened to Askey. I think the rest are fair enough.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2019 19:08:02 GMT 1
You stick with the view of a couple of others if you like I’ll stick with the facts Facts? I thought it was more about opinions, but then again I don't sit at the top table, I'm just your average Joe 😉 but you say about fitness being an excuse at this stage of the season ? what does that mean exactly ? 'this stage of the season' ? it kind of sounds like you are meaning at this stage of the season the players should be in their prime fitness I'd say its the complete opposite, the unfitter the player the more he'll get exposed, isn't that what's happening ? I saw us hit the wall yesterday after an hour, same as we did when we played 2 games a week before the Pompey game just like wolves did v Watford the other week and Leeds have, Man U have, and many more have lets get real about this I mean downies solution yesterday was " why didnt we just score another goal when it was 2-1 " im sure he jumped out of the bath naked and ran down the street shouting eureka with that idea fact is, rickets inherited a shambles with the aim of keeping us up and take us forward fans like you want to chuck a spanner in the works the instant we have a bad half hour had it stayed 2-2 yesterday , this thread would have stayed in hiding like it has for the last month when we played quite well no one is screaming for okenbirie anymore I see, and yet 3 weeks ago the opinion from many was "rickets was mad to leave him out" fickle I heard many arguments last night, and most contained the word hurst none contained the words, Henderson, nsiala, Nolan, Godfrey , Rodman, agogo, Morris or even Askey a month back we'd have all snatch someones arm of to be in the position we are now some are just greedy
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Post by Pilch on Apr 23, 2019 19:19:41 GMT 1
Someone mentioned facts. Here are a few:
• Ricketts’ record isn’t good. • He has been in charge for about 30 games (including cup matches). That’s long enough to judge whether he’s any good and more than our board needed to judge him at Wrexham. • He would have been sacked earlier in the season but wasn’t because we’d already sacked a manger this season • Ricketts is blaming Askey for much that’s wrong and especially for poor fitness despite having 5 months to put it right. • We will probably stay up but in a lower position than when he took over. • This season has been terrible. That’s not all Ricketts’ fault but he bears some of the responsibility. • Performances have been better lately. • Recent results have not been good (7 points from the last 18 available or 1.17 per game).
So, the question is whether it is a good idea to entrust next season to him.
I doubt you would if you were an investor and trying to decide why anything will be better in the future.
I’d say that appointing Ricketts was a reckless gamble that has not paid off.
We’re probably going to get away with it but why put ourselves through this again?
I know that any appointment is a gamble, but some are riskier than others.
With Ricketts we know what we’re going to get, and it isn’t very good. what's your answer ? maybe we should just get a manager who gets us promoted ? simple yeah bit like downies ? we should have just battered them until we scored another goal as we found out last season 3rd from top can be the same as 5th to bottom so finishing 12th at the moment or 20th doesn't matter in the slightest, so comparing it to askey is a waste of time if we stay up give the chap the chance to prove himself with a pre season behind him remember this chap www.theguardian.com/football/2011/nov/05/sir-alex-ferguson-banner
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Post by horse01 on Apr 23, 2019 19:21:40 GMT 1
In the six weeks leading up to the Pompey match, we only played on a Tuesday TWICE?!
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 23, 2019 19:31:54 GMT 1
In the six weeks leading up to the Pompey match, we only played on a Tuesday TWICE?! And Pompey, this season, are just much better than us. It’s as simple as that. Given the size of our clubs, the fact we’ve done better than them for 5 years does not mean we should expect to be higher than Pompy, or always beat them
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