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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 21:35:19 GMT 1
Must say after seeing that absolute s**t show just then in the Southampton Derby game it's clear to me that VAR in its current form is another parasite sucking the last remnants of life out of the game at the top level.
You could nearly begin to understand it if all stadiums had big screens to at least enable the crowd to see the basis for the decision. But na.
Shambles.
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Post by tvor on Jan 17, 2019 0:13:11 GMT 1
It should be there to eliminate clear errors, not adjudicate at length over extremely marginal offside decisions for example. If the officials at the match haven't made a clear error their decision should stand and the game should continue.
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Jan 17, 2019 7:23:15 GMT 1
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Post by Dale on Jan 17, 2019 7:23:15 GMT 1
When it goes to the ‘third umpire’ in Cricket you can see all the replays on the stadium screens which generate oohs and aahs from the crowd, maybe worth trying the same in football but I think VAR is a load of s**te anyway, it ruined last night’s game for me.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jan 17, 2019 7:57:02 GMT 1
Ridiculous decision to deny that Derby goal.
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Jan 17, 2019 8:23:01 GMT 1
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 17, 2019 8:23:01 GMT 1
It was offside. End of.You'd be narked if the result went against our club. Imagine if we'd had VAR Wycombe game few years ago. Difference between promotion or not. What about your last game on accumulator for a few grand? Well peed if you missed out dollars. As long as correct decision is reached so what?
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Jan 17, 2019 8:35:18 GMT 1
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jan 17, 2019 8:35:18 GMT 1
It was offside. End of.You'd be narked if the result went against our club. Imagine if we'd had VAR Wycombe game few years ago. Difference between promotion or not. What about your last game on accumulator for a few grand? Well peed if you missed out dollars. As long as correct decision is reached so what? The Wycombe incident to which you refer is entirely different to the disalllowed goal last night. You’re preaching to the choir here, nobody is disputing it can be a force for good where a clear mistake has been made by the officials. Stop preaching and stop spending so much time around choirs.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 17, 2019 10:50:11 GMT 1
Scrap the whole idea. It’s always been part of the game I can see a legal challenge to decisions if VAR is used and then proved to be wrong but with just the ref decision it’s always been down to what he saw so couldn’t be challenged (human error part of the game)
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Jan 17, 2019 11:57:32 GMT 1
Post by haughmond on Jan 17, 2019 11:57:32 GMT 1
Surely there are other problems to rectify within the game. The off- side rule is one of them. I am sure when it was first introduced “ off- side” was accepted as being goal side of an opposition player by at least a clear distance. Nowadays, through VAR, we are down to virtual centimetre’s. How often have we heard pundits agree/ disagree on an off-side decision by the fact that a player was played on/ off by a toe, elbow, knee etc. Complete garbage. Off - side should be defined by at least a body width. Line officials ( men/ women whatever) would have to have super sight and re- action times to give some decisions. In fact I have read somewhere that humans to not have the capacity to assimilate three differing information points that would judge wether some- one is off- side or not in tight situations. That is the time the ball was played forward, against distance travelled over time movement to take a player past an opposing player. Cos that is what , basically, what off- side is judged on. Please, please let’s make the game simple.
I have seen some superb goals ruled as off- side and not given because a player was deemed off- side by fractions. Shame really, but there ya go.
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Jan 17, 2019 18:51:07 GMT 1
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 17, 2019 18:51:07 GMT 1
It was offside. End of.You'd be narked if the result went against our club. Imagine if we'd had VAR Wycombe game few years ago. Difference between promotion or not. What about your last game on accumulator for a few grand? Well peed if you missed out dollars. As long as correct decision is reached so what? The Wycombe incident to which you refer is entirely different to the disalllowed goal last night. You’re preaching to the choir here, nobody is disputing it can be a force for good where a clear mistake has been made by the officials. Stop preaching and stop spending so much time around choirs. preaching? Saying it like it is . All I want is the correct decision, no argument, no comeback. As for the time it takes, more time wasted in games by subs fannying around and players feigning injury to allow managers tactic talks( Westley/ Stevenage for instance
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Jan 17, 2019 19:02:03 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 19:02:03 GMT 1
The Wycombe incident to which you refer is entirely different to the disalllowed goal last night. You’re preaching to the choir here, nobody is disputing it can be a force for good where a clear mistake has been made by the officials. Stop preaching and stop spending so much time around choirs. preaching? Saying it like it is . All I want is the correct decision, no argument, no comeback. As for the time it takes, more time wasted in games by subs fannying around and players feigning injury to allow managers tactic talks( Westley/ Stevenage for instance VAR stoppages in cases like yesterday whereby it the team of official at Stockley Park nearly 3 minutes to make a decision (which in itself was highly disputable) will increase the 'fannying around' and will allow tactical team talks and will not alleviate players feigning injury.
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Jan 17, 2019 19:28:43 GMT 1
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Post by TheFoz on Jan 17, 2019 19:28:43 GMT 1
There was big concerns when goal line technology was getting introduced but it has worked brilliantly.
Why? Because the ref knows within seconds and it is always correct.
For VAR to work, they need to tell the ref within 30 seconds. I would start off slow and implement it for clear yes/no decisions. E.g offside, did the ball already go out of play etc.
Start from there, perfect it and then introduce more scenarios that aren’t as black and white e.g did the player dive, was it a deliberate handball.
It could be great if done right (could eliminate diving from the game)! However, it is a long way off in its current form and needs plenty of work on it.
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Jan 17, 2019 20:10:47 GMT 1
Post by haughmond on Jan 17, 2019 20:10:47 GMT 1
Do you think that VAR needs to be expanded to cover other incidents? Last night a Southampton player dived, but just past the half- way line. The referee acknowledged it because he gave a free kick against the “ diving” player, but did not book him. I am sure if this incident happened in the penalty area then a card would have followed. So, let’s get the basics right first of all before we delve into other scenarios, which, in my view, will turn our game into a boring, turgid game which takes the fans involvement completely away from the game.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 17, 2019 20:22:59 GMT 1
VAR, what is it good for ?
absolutely nothing
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Jan 17, 2019 21:06:43 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jan 17, 2019 21:06:43 GMT 1
Another factor is that players and fans cannot celebrate a goal with certainty. Even if the goal is upheld minutes later, it’s not the same.
Imagine we’d have to wait 2 mins on Tuesday for our 3rd goal to be confirmed.
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Jan 17, 2019 21:11:03 GMT 1
Post by WATR on Jan 17, 2019 21:11:03 GMT 1
I go to Rugby League games every now and again and honestly it sucks the life out of the game. Nobody ever celebrates properly because you just know it will inevitably go to VAR to check for a foul in the build up. Imagine if after that third goal at Stoke, you couldn't celebrate properly because it was dragged back for a VAR check. Sure, the correct decision would probably be reached, but the life, the passion, and the absolute scenes, would be gone.
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Jan 17, 2019 22:11:57 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Jan 17, 2019 22:11:57 GMT 1
Nicholas anelka is all for it ;-)
anyone remember his disallowed goal in 99 cup semi ?
classic
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 17, 2019 23:00:41 GMT 1
VAR, what is it good for ? absolutely nothing Classic. Edwin Starr 1979?? Say it again
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Jan 17, 2019 23:08:09 GMT 1
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Post by daveshrew on Jan 17, 2019 23:08:09 GMT 1
Totally against the VAR idea. Goal line technology is completely different though.
The decision to rule out the Derby goal for offside was a bad one imo. You might say it's 'black and white' but until that decision can be automated in a split second like goal line technology, just don't bother. Problems as I see it for using VAR for offside - how far back to you go? Is there a written rule for this? If there was a second pass to another player like a cross after the through ball do they still rule the goal out then? Is there a time limit/number of passes involved? Secondly, if the lino knows that offside will be given by VAR if they miss it, they will be much less inclined to make an offside decision against an attacker.
Incidentally the penalty given against Oldham in the Fulham game that then wasn't overturned by VAR left me feeling sick! I can't believe that a professional referee watching numerous replays did not consider that to be simulation? It was bad enough to see someone diving to try and win a penalty (something I think should be punished with a red card) but to then have that action further condoned by another ref with the benefit of slow motion and replays was shocking.
Worst of all is the delay after every goal. For me the biggest pleasure in football is knowing that the second the ball hits the back of the net and the ref gives a goal, 99.9% of the time that goal is going to stand.
Honestly, I wouldn't swap seeing the big referee mistakes going for or against us for this, not at all.
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Feb 3, 2019 0:50:22 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 0:50:22 GMT 1
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Feb 3, 2019 6:26:11 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2019 6:26:11 GMT 1
does this mean we can look at rickets substitutions again and get them reversed ?
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Feb 3, 2019 9:29:29 GMT 1
Post by davycrockett on Feb 3, 2019 9:29:29 GMT 1
Can’t wait for the Town winner in injury time to be disallowed for some marginal off side decision..... sure to count against us .....
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Feb 3, 2019 16:01:37 GMT 1
Post by tvor on Feb 3, 2019 16:01:37 GMT 1
VAR at Molineux on Tuesday night hopefully means there will be internet streams of the match out there somewhere.
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Apr 1, 2019 20:58:17 GMT 1
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