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Post by Pilch on Mar 14, 2019 2:13:37 GMT 1
I listened to Daniel Kjinsky. ( I know thats wrong but who cares ) on radio 5 yesterday
presenter asked him how he was going to vote ( last night)
he said against the PM
she asked him , doesn't the PM want you to vote in favour ?
yes, but I didnt vote for her to be elected
ok
but hey mr f'kin hypocrite the people of shresbbury who elected you to put forward their voice voted overwhelmingly to LEAVE the EU
you selfish moron, your job is to put forward OUR wishes
can we have another local election I think a lot didnt know what they were voting for
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Post by keithb123 on Mar 14, 2019 2:47:18 GMT 1
How she can continually bring back her deal when it has been consistently voted down and then say about not having a new referendum and I almost quote " do we carry on time and time again until we get a result we like". I would say laughable but it is pathetic. But it's OK to have a second referendum because that result wasn't liked. These MP's are suggesting that the people that voted to leave didn't understand what they were doing yet want to now ask the British public to have a say on what they "really" want.
The question I have is what do the voters in leave areas do come election time? If they voted overwhelmingly to leave and their MP has gone against their wishes do they see that as a betrayal?
If 17.4 million people voted to leave how can this be scuppered by a few hundred idiots who are simply playing political games?
This is the most decisive political event in history and I know there are many differing views expressed on here but for the millions of leave voters this really is a kick in the taters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:26:50 GMT 1
Well i for one am just glad that after all these decades, finally we have the british government making british laws for british people, rather than being dictated to by jonny foreigner!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:55:37 GMT 1
It's gone beyond the Thick of It.
If people wrote this as fiction, it wouldn't be credible.
Lucky I got a sense of humour.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 14, 2019 8:29:46 GMT 1
How she can continually bring back her deal when it has been consistently voted down and then say about not having a new referendum and I almost quote " do we carry on time and time again until we get a result we like". I would say laughable but it is pathetic. But it's OK to have a second referendum because that result wasn't liked. These MP's are suggesting that the people that voted to leave didn't understand what they were doing yet want to now ask the British public to have a say on what they "really" want.
The question I have is what do the voters in leave areas do come election time? If they voted overwhelmingly to leave and their MP has gone against their wishes do they see that as a betrayal?
If 17.4 million people voted to leave how can this be scuppered by a few hundred idiots who are simply playing political games?
This is the most decisive political event in history and I know there are many differing views expressed on here but for the millions of leave voters this really is a kick in the taters.
But quite a large number of MPs voting against the Withdrawl agreement are Brexit supporters in the European Research Group within the Conservative party along with the DUP. It would have been tight but had they voted for the Withdrawl Bill on Tuesday night it probably would have won enough votes and the U.K. would be leaving the EU on 28th March I know the ERG don’t like the agreement but it’s the best chance they have of leaving the EU and keep voting against it
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 14, 2019 10:28:19 GMT 1
a two year long train wreck with clueless politicians
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Post by TheFoz on Mar 14, 2019 10:30:08 GMT 1
It's gone beyond the Thick of It. If people wrote this as fiction, it wouldn't be credible. Lucky I got a sense of humour. Such a great comedy show! It’s strange seeing so many incidents that wouldn’t look out of place in that show.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 14, 2019 10:48:46 GMT 1
A few lawyers are suggesting it's too short a time to add a "ruling out of no deal" to law and that it will still be the default position on the 29th March. We can but hope.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 14, 2019 11:07:04 GMT 1
The posh and privileged renagers versus the people.
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Post by percy on Mar 14, 2019 11:35:00 GMT 1
The posh and privileged renagers versus the people. Jacob Rees-Mogg leading the people against the posh and the privileged ? Or hucksterism from a few posh and privileged types persuading those who feel dispossessed that nationalistic fervor and isolationism will somehow improve their lot in life ?
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Post by tvor on Mar 14, 2019 11:41:48 GMT 1
The posh and privileged renagers versus the people. Sadly exactly the opposite, but that penny won't drop with many until the deed has been done.
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Post by camdenshrew on Mar 14, 2019 11:53:09 GMT 1
How she can continually bring back her deal when it has been consistently voted down and then say about not having a new referendum and I almost quote " do we carry on time and time again until we get a result we like". I would say laughable but it is pathetic. But it's OK to have a second referendum because that result wasn't liked. These MP's are suggesting that the people that voted to leave didn't understand what they were doing yet want to now ask the British public to have a say on what they "really" want.
The question I have is what do the voters in leave areas do come election time? If they voted overwhelmingly to leave and their MP has gone against their wishes do they see that as a betrayal?
If 17.4 million people voted to leave how can this be scuppered by a few hundred idiots who are simply playing political games?
This is the most decisive political event in history and I know there are many differing views expressed on here but for the millions of leave voters this really is a kick in the taters.
And you honestly think 17.4 million voted for this s**tshow? No, because they were sold a lie as to how simple it was all going to be to untangle 40 years of legal, political and trading agreements. Now it's becoming abundantly clear what chaos Brexit is causing and will cause, it makes total sense to ask the people again whether they still want to go ahead and on what terms. And that doesn't mean you can't vote for Brexit again. Surely, if people still feel the same way, Leave will win again?
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Post by venceremos on Mar 14, 2019 11:54:40 GMT 1
I listened to Daniel Kjinsky. ( I know thats wrong but who cares ) on radio 5 yesterday presenter asked him how he was going to vote ( last night) he said against the PM she asked him , doesn't the PM want you to vote in favour ? yes, but I didnt vote for her to be elected ok but hey mr f'kin hypocrite the people of shresbbury who elected you to put forward their voice voted overwhelmingly to LEAVE the EU you selfish moron, your job is to put forward OUR wishes
can we have another local election I think a lot didnt know what they were voting for Loathe as I am to defend Mr K, that isn't his job.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 14, 2019 11:57:30 GMT 1
How she can continually bring back her deal when it has been consistently voted down and then say about not having a new referendum and I almost quote " do we carry on time and time again until we get a result we like". I would say laughable but it is pathetic. But it's OK to have a second referendum because that result wasn't liked. These MP's are suggesting that the people that voted to leave didn't understand what they were doing yet want to now ask the British public to have a say on what they "really" want.
The question I have is what do the voters in leave areas do come election time? If they voted overwhelmingly to leave and their MP has gone against their wishes do they see that as a betrayal?
If 17.4 million people voted to leave how can this be scuppered by a few hundred idiots who are simply playing political games?
This is the most decisive political event in history and I know there are many differing views expressed on here but for the millions of leave voters this really is a kick in the taters.
Those few hundred idiots include the hard core brexiteer MPs. Are you asking them to vote for May's deal?
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Post by venceremos on Mar 14, 2019 12:16:15 GMT 1
We had a clear choice 3 years ago - did we want to leave or stay in the EU? We voted to leave. Unfortunately, the question was too simplistic because it no account of the many variables and different versions of "leaving".
The referendum question might just as well have been " do you like chocolate, yes or no?" Result - yes, we like chocolate! Great, here's the chocolate. - Wait, I don't like dark chocolate. - I wanted white chocolate. - I don't like chocolate with nuts in it. - I didn't vote for caramel. etc etc.
Just because you think you're asking a simple question doesn't mean you'll get a simple answer. [Please don't try to tell me that 17.4 million people all voted to leave in exactly the same way.]
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Post by keithb123 on Mar 14, 2019 12:33:27 GMT 1
We had a clear choice 3 years ago - did we want to leave or stay in the EU? We voted to leave. Unfortunately, the question was too simplistic because it no account of the many variables and different versions of "leaving". The referendum question might just as well have been " do you like chocolate, yes or no?" Result - yes, we like chocolate! Great, here's the chocolate. - Wait, I don't like dark chocolate. - I wanted white chocolate. - I don't like chocolate with nuts in it. - I didn't vote for caramel. etc etc. Just because you think you're asking a simple question doesn't mean you'll get a simple answer. [Please don't try to tell me that 17.4 million people all voted to leave in exactly the same way.] But, the 17.4 million voted to leave the EU. Trust was placed on the shoulders of the MP's to resolve this and all party manifesto's included "we will honour the will of the people" and there was a majority to trigger Article 50, however, what we have seen is cross party (I am not just blaming labour) chaos to do everything they can to stop Brexit completely. The BBC has been a disgrace with their one sided approach which hasnt helped. I voted to leave the EU and there is now a real danger that because of "the few hundred" we may leave with such a watered down Brexit or no Brexit at all.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 14, 2019 12:42:54 GMT 1
imagine if you went to the RSH to see a consultant and he said you need xyz or else you'll die
but then the rest of the hospital staff had to vote on it first and quite a few vote against him by default no matter what he suggests
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Post by venceremos on Mar 14, 2019 13:11:16 GMT 1
We had a clear choice 3 years ago - did we want to leave or stay in the EU? We voted to leave. Unfortunately, the question was too simplistic because it no account of the many variables and different versions of "leaving". The referendum question might just as well have been " do you like chocolate, yes or no?" Result - yes, we like chocolate! Great, here's the chocolate. - Wait, I don't like dark chocolate. - I wanted white chocolate. - I don't like chocolate with nuts in it. - I didn't vote for caramel. etc etc. Just because you think you're asking a simple question doesn't mean you'll get a simple answer. [Please don't try to tell me that 17.4 million people all voted to leave in exactly the same way.] But, the 17.4 million voted to leave the EU. Trust was placed on the shoulders of the MP's to resolve this and all party manifesto's included "we will honour the will of the people" and there was a majority to trigger Article 50, however, what we have seen is cross party (I am not just blaming labour) chaos to do everything they can to stop Brexit completely. The BBC has been a disgrace with their one sided approach which hasnt helped. I voted to leave the EU and there is now a real danger that because of "the few hundred" we may leave with such a watered down Brexit or no Brexit at all.
I disagree that MPs are trying to stop brexit. I can assure you, speaking as a remainer, that it doesn't appear to my side as though many MPs are trying to stop brexit. The problem has always been that there are too many different and competing versions of brexit. MPs have never had the opportunity to choose any version except May's (which is terrible, whether you're a no-dealer or a remainer). They've absolutely done the right thing in rejecting it soundly and it will be an absolute travesty if that gets through because nobody ever gets the chance to choose something else. If you think the BBC's approach has been one-sided, again I'd suggest taking a look at it from my side. Failed brexit ministers with no ideas, like David Davis, are given as much air time as they like to say nothing. Anyone genuinely exploring for a way out of this quagmire is overlooked. Whenever there's a vox pop asking people what they think, the camera's in Stoke or Grimsby or Sunderland so that someone can shuffle up and say "just get on with it". When did you last (or ever) see a vox pop taken in a remain constituency? Almost invariably, it's older white people being asked their opinion. If we do leave with a "watered down" brexit, that's still brexit. You just have to accept that there are versions of brexit that you don't like. You were asked to vote in principle, not for a specific course of action. That was always the problem and why it was a stupid referendum. I don't like any version of brexit but some are less bad than others. Not May's deal though, that's dreadful.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 14, 2019 13:16:30 GMT 1
imagine if you went to the RSH to see a consultant and he said you need xyz or else you'll die but then the rest of the hospital staff had to vote on it first and quite a few vote against him by default no matter what he suggests You listened to the Five Live Phone in too last night then!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 14, 2019 13:28:56 GMT 1
First time it's really been playing on our minds these last two weeks, Brexit; getting closer to the supposed leave date and still having no information or idea what was going to happen to us, what we were expected to do. I guess now we need to wait a while longer, perhaps a good while longer. It not nice the uncertainty, for sure. But still, on it goes. We sit and what for the next installment. The European elections should be fun. Sure they'll be well chuffed to see Farage back (if elected of course)...
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Post by TheFoz on Mar 14, 2019 14:11:10 GMT 1
It's gone beyond the Thick of It. If people wrote this as fiction, it wouldn't be credible. Lucky I got a sense of humour. This wouldn’t be out of place on the thick of it; Liz Truss (Conservative MP) Eddie: “What about people who have changed their minds on Brexit?” Liz Truss: “I don’t think people have changed their minds” Eddie: “You have” Liz Truss: “I have, thats true…”
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Post by venceremos on Mar 14, 2019 15:27:48 GMT 1
It's gone beyond the Thick of It. If people wrote this as fiction, it wouldn't be credible. Lucky I got a sense of humour. This wouldn’t be out of place on the thick of it; Liz Truss (Conservative MP) Eddie: “What about people who have changed their minds on Brexit?” Liz Truss: “I don’t think people have changed their minds” Eddie: “You have” Liz Truss: “I have, thats true…” Simply wonderful - hard to believe that's not scripted. Hard to believe what's real and what isn't any more. That Liz "cheese disgrace" Truss has a place in government tells you everything you need to know about why it's as bad as it is.
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Post by tvor on Mar 14, 2019 19:31:58 GMT 1
"UK MPs have voted by 412 to 202 for Prime Minister Theresa May to ask the EU for a delay to Brexit. It means the UK may not now leave on 29 March as previously planned." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47576813
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 20:22:12 GMT 1
The posh and privileged renagers versus the people. Jacob Rees-Mogg leading the people against the posh and the privileged ? Couldn’t make it up could you. Hilarious!! 😂
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Post by frankwellshrews on Mar 14, 2019 20:43:59 GMT 1
The posh and privileged renagers versus the people. Do you seriously believe this nonsense or are you just on a wind up? Really hope the latter.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 14, 2019 21:15:16 GMT 1
When May tries to bring her deal back again the speaker is going to have to make a call on whether it is allowed. This week it is arguable that the codicil agreed with EU made the agreement sufficiently different than the first time. However if an unaltered agreement is brought back Bercow would be within his rights to disallow it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 21:32:33 GMT 1
The posh and privileged renagers versus the people. Ha. If only it were that simple.
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Post by shrewsace on Mar 14, 2019 21:36:01 GMT 1
The posh and privileged renagers versus the people. 😂😂😂
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Post by salop27 on Mar 14, 2019 23:25:34 GMT 1
Latest rumour is Hungary will veto any extension to Article 50. Mays deal is seeming more and more likely.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Mar 14, 2019 23:37:40 GMT 1
I see the anti democrats are out in force tonight.
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