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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 17, 2020 10:49:28 GMT 1
They use only three words for their slogans and that ruled out Get Brexit Done (Properly). A rush job a few months ago has come back to bite us.
We will head for no deal now - the EU are not going to be easy on us. The only way to get the benefits is to be in the club.
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Post by shrewder on Sept 17, 2020 11:27:45 GMT 1
They use only three words for their slogans and that ruled out Get Brexit Done (Properly). A rush job a few months ago has come back to bite us. We will head for no deal now - the EU are not going to be easy on us. The only way to get the benefits is to be in the club. See the US have chipped in with their concerns. Boris is digging himself into a hole, which threatens to bury him.
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 18, 2020 12:09:23 GMT 1
They use only three words for their slogans and that ruled out Get Brexit Done (Properly). A rush job a few months ago has come back to bite us. We will head for no deal now - the EU are not going to be easy on us. The only way to get the benefits is to be in the club. The EU will not go easy on us, but why should they? We have made our bed, so now we can lie in it, no matter how uncomfortable it becomes.
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 18, 2020 13:59:37 GMT 1
The sheer incompetence of this set of clowns, signing a legal document in haste, which none of them could be bothered to read, suddenly makes Treeeza the Terrible seem super efficient.
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Post by servernaside on Sept 18, 2020 18:22:33 GMT 1
They use only three words for their slogans and that ruled out Get Brexit Done (Properly). A rush job a few months ago has come back to bite us. We will head for no deal now - the EU are not going to be easy on us. The only way to get the benefits is to be in the club. What 'benefits' are these pray ?
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 18, 2020 18:34:25 GMT 1
They use only three words for their slogans and that ruled out Get Brexit Done (Properly). A rush job a few months ago has come back to bite us. We will head for no deal now - the EU are not going to be easy on us. The only way to get the benefits is to be in the club. What 'benefits' are these pray ? Lots of lists on the internet - this one has 98 things you could pick from smallbusinessprices.co.uk/remain-eu/
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 18, 2020 18:41:22 GMT 1
They use only three words for their slogans and that ruled out Get Brexit Done (Properly). A rush job a few months ago has come back to bite us. We will head for no deal now - the EU are not going to be easy on us. The only way to get the benefits is to be in the club. What 'benefits' are these pray ? Many, many more than the benefits of Leaving.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 19, 2020 0:05:21 GMT 1
Nice to see this thread resurrected! One question though - where's percy? Hey you've forgotten all of the others. Where's Drew? Downie? Mortgagehound?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 19, 2020 10:36:11 GMT 1
whatever hapens i dont think anyone comes out of this with much credit from the UK side or EU in the way they have conducted themselves. it is a shame whatever the view you may have on brexit,it is a pity that both parties did not show more willingness to behave like statesmen and be more willing to find a compramise that would have been good for evryone.
on a seperate not i was watching some EU debates on the handling of covid-19 and the rescue package for the economy , finland ,hungary, Italy and poland were unhappy about the handling of covid-19 and the frugal four are equally unhappy about the way the rescue package has been structured ,with other countrys giving some very blunt feedback to Ursula von der Leyen about the views of smaller countrys been ignored by France and Germany.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 19, 2020 10:58:37 GMT 1
whatever hapens i dont think anyone comes out of this with much credit from the UK side or EU in the way they have conducted themselves. it is a shame whatever the view you may have on brexit,it is a pity that both parties did not show more willingness to behave like statesmen and be more willing to find a compramise that would have been good for evryone. on a seperate not i was watching some EU debates on the handling of covid-19 and the rescue package for the economy , finland ,hungary, Italy and poland were unhappy about the handling of covid-19 and the frugal four are equally unhappy about the way the rescue package has been structured ,with other countrys giving some very blunt feedback to Ursula von der Leyen about the views of smaller countrys been ignored by France and Germany. The negotiations are unbalanced - no deal damages the UK more than it damages the EU, so the onus is on the UK to negotiate itself into a better position. In a similar way, the UK can't negotiate a trade deal with the US from a position of equal footing. Smaller countries aren't necessarily ignored but they will always carry less weight in international discussions. That point seems to have escaped brexiteers. I accept the decision to leave, but that decision was also to make ourselves weaker internationally and now we just have to make the best of it. Our leaders and brexiteers not constantly whining and moaning about being bullied by stronger parties would be a start.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 19, 2020 11:05:41 GMT 1
whatever hapens i dont think anyone comes out of this with much credit from the UK side or EU in the way they have conducted themselves. it is a shame whatever the view you may have on brexit,it is a pity that both parties did not show more willingness to behave like statesmen and be more willing to find a compramise that would have been good for evryone. on a seperate not i was watching some EU debates on the handling of covid-19 and the rescue package for the economy , finland ,hungary, Italy and poland were unhappy about the handling of covid-19 and the frugal four are equally unhappy about the way the rescue package has been structured ,with other countrys giving some very blunt feedback to Ursula von der Leyen about the views of smaller countrys been ignored by France and Germany. The negotiations are unbalanced - no deal damages the UK more than it damages the EU, so the onus is on the UK to negotiate itself into a better position. In a similar way, the UK can't negotiate a trade deal with the US from a position of equal footing. Smaller countries aren't necessarily ignored but they will always carry less weight in international discussions. That point seems to have escaped brexiteers. I accept the decision to leave, but that decision was also to make ourselves weaker internationally and now we just have to make the best of it. Our leaders and brexiteers not constantly whining and moaning about being bullied by stronger parties would be a start. i agree but my main point was the way both parties have conducted themselves , a willingness to find some common ground would have been more helpfull.
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 19, 2020 11:42:19 GMT 1
The negotiations are unbalanced - no deal damages the UK more than it damages the EU, so the onus is on the UK to negotiate itself into a better position. In a similar way, the UK can't negotiate a trade deal with the US from a position of equal footing. Smaller countries aren't necessarily ignored but they will always carry less weight in international discussions. That point seems to have escaped brexiteers. I accept the decision to leave, but that decision was also to make ourselves weaker internationally and now we just have to make the best of it. Our leaders and brexiteers not constantly whining and moaning about being bullied by stronger parties would be a start. i agree but my main point was the way both parties have conducted themselves , a willingness to find some common ground would have been more helpfull. That sounds a bit like the government in Westminster not considering the wishes of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 19, 2020 12:19:15 GMT 1
whatever hapens i dont think anyone comes out of this with much credit from the UK side or EU in the way they have conducted themselves. it is a shame whatever the view you may have on brexit,it is a pity that both parties did not show more willingness to behave like statesmen and be more willing to find a compramise that would have been good for evryone. The important thing is that the negotiations are continuing (despite the rhetoric we have seen) so that's at least something. I'm still hopeful that things will go to the 11th hour and a trade agreement will be agreed but I do have more doubts than I have had previously. And then I wonder if there is no overarching free trade agreement, whether things are still amicable enough to see smaller agreements made specific to certain sectors (and how quickly they can be agreed). We wait and see.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 19, 2020 15:52:48 GMT 1
whatever hapens i dont think anyone comes out of this with much credit from the UK side or EU in the way they have conducted themselves. it is a shame whatever the view you may have on brexit,it is a pity that both parties did not show more willingness to behave like statesmen and be more willing to find a compramise that would have been good for evryone. The important thing is that the negotiations are continuing (despite the rhetoric we have seen) so that's at least something. I'm still hopeful that things will go to the 11th hour and a trade agreement will be agreed but I do have more doubts than I have had previously. And then I wonder if there is no overarching free trade agreement, whether things are still amicable enough to see smaller agreements made specific to certain sectors (and how quickly they can be agreed). We wait and see. i hope so
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 19, 2020 15:53:18 GMT 1
i agree but my main point was the way both parties have conducted themselves , a willingness to find some common ground would have been more helpfull. That sounds a bit like the government in Westminster not considering the wishes of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. very true
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 20, 2020 10:45:29 GMT 1
Nice to see this thread resurrected! One question though - where's percy? Hey you've forgotten all of the others. Where's Drew? Downie? Mortgagehound? Percy was the one who started the thread and went to live in France because of Brexit - Downie, et al were the ones saying that Brexit was the answer to all ills. Disappeared from the thread for different reasons I imagine.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 21, 2020 13:48:46 GMT 1
They use only three words for their slogans and that ruled out Get Brexit Done (Properly). A rush job a few months ago has come back to bite us. We will head for no deal now - the EU are not going to be easy on us. The only way to get the benefits is to be in the club. What 'benefits' are these pray ? Surprised you need to ask as we set up lorry parks in Dover for delays in trade and still have no idea where our border with the EU in Ireland is? Our government is now even talking about law breaking and going back on agreements. We may not like everything about the EU, but it's surely better to be in there fighting our corner?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 20:04:53 GMT 1
Hey you've forgotten all of the others. Where's Drew? Downie? Mortgagehound? Percy was the one who started the thread and went to live in France because of Brexit - Downie, et al were the ones saying that Brexit was the answer to all ills. Disappeared from the thread for different reasons I imagine. Cos you lot bore the s**t outta of me and no reasoning with you lefties. So it’s just better you whining along all on your own and worry yourselves stupid over the doom that we are going to suffer xx
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 21, 2020 21:04:30 GMT 1
It is a shame that those, like me, who support our withdrawal from the EU, appear to have "relinquished the field" in the face of the constant carping and anti-democratic whining of the Remain faction, but I can understand why that has happened.... the Remainders may not ALL be persuaded by the Leftist idealogues, but it remains the case that they still have not fully grasped the main reasons behind the result of the Brexit vote, which was then, and remains today, National Sovereignty. In similar circumstances, many countries in the world voted for Independence from what remained of the Empire, and most, especially those on the Left, supported such moves. Whilst acknowledging that there is no exact correlation between those events and the Brexit vote, as I am sure will be pointed out by many experts, there is, I feel, at least a passing similarity..
Independence, as far as is possible in this interdependent world, is a goal worthy of striving for; did I believe that there would be economic consequences? Of course I did.... there was always a small element of truth in Project Fear. But did my concerns outweigh the needs of an independent nation to elect its own Parliament, hopeless though the result may be, and to decide upon its own 0 0laws... No, indeed, most certainly NOT! I now await the accusations of racism, xenophobia, economic and historical ignorance, and not least, the worst form of pointless nostalgia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 21:42:03 GMT 1
It is a shame that those, like me, who support our withdrawal from the EU, appear to have "relinquished the field" in the face of the constant carping and anti-democratic whining of the Remain faction, but I can understand why that has happened.... the Remainders may not ALL be persuaded by the Leftist idealogues, but it remains the case that they still have not fully grasped the main reasons behind the result of the Brexit vote, which was then, and remains today, National Sovereignty. In similar circumstances, many countries in the world voted for Independence from what remained of the Empire, and most, especially those on the Left, supported such moves. Whilst acknowledging that there is no exact correlation between those events and the Brexit vote, as I am sure will be pointed out by many experts, there is, I feel, at least a passing similarity.. Independence, as far as is possible in this interdependent world, is a goal worthy of striving for; did I believe that there would be economic consequences? Of course I did.... there was always a small element of truth in Project Fear. But did my concerns outweigh the needs of an independent nation to elect its own Parliament, hopeless though the result may be, and to decide upon its own 0 0laws... No, indeed, most certainly NOT! I now await the accusations of racism, xenophobia, economic and historical ignorance, and not least, the worst form of pointless nostalgia. We are, and always have been, an independent nation that elects its own Parliament and enacts its own laws.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 21, 2020 22:00:43 GMT 1
Percy was the one who started the thread and went to live in France because of Brexit - Downie, et al were the ones saying that Brexit was the answer to all ills. Disappeared from the thread for different reasons I imagine. Cos you lot bore the s**t outta of me and no reasoning with you lefties. So it’s just better you whining along all on your own and worry yourselves stupid over the doom that we are going to suffer xx This
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 6:08:34 GMT 1
Cos you lot bore the s**t outta of me and no reasoning with you lefties. So it’s just better you whining along all on your own and worry yourselves stupid over the doom that we are going to suffer xx This And yet here you are.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 22, 2020 8:43:24 GMT 1
Independence, as far as is possible in this interdependent world, is a goal worthy of striving for; did I believe that there would be economic consequences? Of course I did.... there was always a small element of truth in Project Fear. But did my concerns outweigh the needs of an independent nation to elect its own Parliament, hopeless though the result may be, and to decide upon its own 0 0laws... No, indeed, most certainly NOT! I now await the accusations of racism, xenophobia, economic and historical ignorance, and not least, the worst form of pointless nostalgia. As far as I was aware we have always been able to elect our own Parliament and enact its own laws.
Which bits of 'pointless nostalgia' should we keep and which should we bin?
I personally would like to see the end of knuckle-draggers giving Nazi salutes by war memorials to those who died fighting Nazism.
I'd also like to see the end of people having a slash on a memorial to a fallen police officer, but hey that's just me.
Perhaps it's not great to celebrate those who in years gone by made shed loads of money by exploiting the 'opportunities' given to them by the Empire and the slave trade.
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 22, 2020 9:44:07 GMT 1
Percy was the one who started the thread and went to live in France because of Brexit - Downie, et al were the ones saying that Brexit was the answer to all ills. Disappeared from the thread for different reasons I imagine. Cos you lot bore the s**t outta of me and no reasoning with you lefties. So it’s just better you whining along all on your own and worry yourselves stupid over the doom that we are going to suffer xx Can you imagine Maggie tolerating the breaking of an international treaty - Boris and Cummings are poised to damage this country well beyond our lifetimes.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 23, 2020 17:52:07 GMT 1
I don't remember Gove telling us there would be queues of lorries and customs issues before we voted in the referendum?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Sept 24, 2020 8:26:13 GMT 1
I don't remember Gove telling us there would be queues of lorries and customs issues before we voted in the referendum? Got some plan to have an internal border in Kent. Lorries will need a permit before they can enter to avoid it becoming a total lorry park!!
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 24, 2020 8:42:54 GMT 1
Cos you lot bore the s**t outta of me and no reasoning with you lefties. So it’s just better you whining along all on your own and worry yourselves stupid over the doom that we are going to suffer xx Can you imagine Maggie tolerating the breaking of an international treaty - Boris and Cummings are poised to damage this country well beyond our lifetimes. “Britain does not break treaties”. Margaret Thatcher, 1975.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2020 11:11:51 GMT 1
I don't remember Gove telling us there would be queues of lorries and customs issues before we voted in the referendum? Lorries will require a government permit to enter Kent under plans to prevent chaos at cross-Channel sea ports at the end of the year. Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, said that drivers who did not have the correct paperwork to pass French customs could be stopped by police using automatic number-plate recognition technology. They would be turned around and the drivers issued with £300 fines as part of efforts to prevent tailbacks and chaos at ports. The Times.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 24, 2020 11:17:39 GMT 1
I don't remember Gove telling us there would be queues of lorries and customs issues before we voted in the referendum? Lorries will require a government permit to enter Kent under plans to prevent chaos at cross-Channel sea ports at the end of the year. Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, said that drivers who did not have the correct paperwork to pass French customs could be stopped by police using automatic number-plate recognition technology. They would be turned around and the drivers issued with £300 fines as part of efforts to prevent tailbacks and chaos at ports. The Times. Bit of a bugger for lorries doing normal things in Kent and not even looking to get to the ports - like delivering the beer.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2020 11:35:43 GMT 1
Lorries will require a government permit to enter Kent under plans to prevent chaos at cross-Channel sea ports at the end of the year. Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, said that drivers who did not have the correct paperwork to pass French customs could be stopped by police using automatic number-plate recognition technology. They would be turned around and the drivers issued with £300 fines as part of efforts to prevent tailbacks and chaos at ports. The Times. Bit of a bugger for lorries doing normal things in Kent and not even looking to get to the ports - like delivering the beer. Talking to the landlord at my local yesterday, he said that a lot of brewers aren't brewing real ale at the moment, as they are fearful of having to pour everything away if Boris closes the pubs down again. They are concentrating on turning out keg rubbish. This is getting serious!
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