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Post by Drew on Jan 26, 2020 9:46:16 GMT 1
Thanks Neil, eloquently put. Can you advise us what was dishonest about the BBC report?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 10:54:28 GMT 1
Thanks Neil, eloquently put. Can you advise us what was dishonest about the BBC report? Because it fails to mention what the directive is all about and the international framework that underpins the directive. ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/eu-copyright-legislationAnd the article can't make it's mind up if it is a directive, or a law. So, the headline mentions law, grabbing the attention of people who "want to take back control" or something, while talking about a directive in the main text. Still, what does it matter eh? As long as our fishing industry gets looked after....
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Post by Drew on Jan 26, 2020 11:22:39 GMT 1
Can you advise us what was dishonest about the BBC report? Because it fails to mention what the directive is all about and the international framework that underpins the directive. ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/eu-copyright-legislationAnd the article can't make it's mind up if it is a directive, or a law. So, the headline mentions law, grabbing the attention of people who "want to take back control" or something, while talking about a directive in the main text. Still, what does it matter eh? As long as our fishing industry gets looked after.... What do you want the report to do. Quote the entire legislation? An EU directive is a law as pointed out above so you appear to be calling the BBC article dishonest for calling a law a law which is a bit strange to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 12:44:23 GMT 1
Because it fails to mention what the directive is all about and the international framework that underpins the directive. ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/eu-copyright-legislationAnd the article can't make it's mind up if it is a directive, or a law. So, the headline mentions law, grabbing the attention of people who "want to take back control" or something, while talking about a directive in the main text. Still, what does it matter eh? As long as our fishing industry gets looked after.... What do you want the report to do. Quote the entire legislation? An EU directive is a law as pointed out above so you appear to be calling the BBC article dishonest for calling a law a law which is a bit strange to be honest. Surely a law is something that you have to abide by whereas a directive cannot be a law because it appears no one has to abide by it. It is, therefore, disingenuous to infer that they are the same.
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Post by Drew on Jan 26, 2020 12:52:02 GMT 1
What do you want the report to do. Quote the entire legislation? An EU directive is a law as pointed out above so you appear to be calling the BBC article dishonest for calling a law a law which is a bit strange to be honest. Surely a law is something that you have to abide by whereas a directive cannot be a law because it appears no one has to abide by it. It is, therefore, disingenuous to infer that they are the same. Member states have to abide by them. It's not disingenuous at all. It's a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:53:12 GMT 1
Surely a law is something that you have to abide by whereas a directive cannot be a law because it appears no one has to abide by it. It is, therefore, disingenuous to infer that they are the same. Member states have to abide by them. It's not disingenuous at all. It's a fact. But they don't have to evidentially which you don't seem to be able to grasp.
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Post by Drew on Jan 27, 2020 8:34:06 GMT 1
Member states have to abide by them. It's not disingenuous at all. It's a fact. But they don't have to evidentially which you don't seem to be able to grasp. The European Commission and every legal authority on EU law states an EU directive is a law binding on member states but ok I believe Wookeywombat of Blue and Amber forum who is obviously better authority.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 8:45:16 GMT 1
But they don't have to evidentially which you don't seem to be able to grasp. The European Commission and every legal authority on EU law states an EU directive is a law binding on member states but ok I believe Wookeywombat of Blue and Amber forum who is obviously better authority. You just haven't followed this thread have you. It has been explained to you in fairly simple terms what a directive entails and you have chosen to ignore it. This is symptomatic of many Brexiters who choose to disregard facts if they hinder their extremely narrow outlook.
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Post by Drew on Jan 27, 2020 9:23:48 GMT 1
The European Commission and every legal authority on EU law states an EU directive is a law binding on member states but ok I believe Wookeywombat of Blue and Amber forum who is obviously better authority. You just haven't followed this thread have you. It has been explained to you in fairly simple terms what a directive entails and you have chosen to ignore it. This is symptomatic of many Brexiters who choose to disregard facts if they hinder their extremely narrow outlook. Please provide authority that directives are a) not laws and b) not binding on member states. I'll wait.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jan 27, 2020 11:59:34 GMT 1
Very cynical about this... I would love it if it were true and stayed like it, but the fact that the UK actually voted for the legislation in the first place makes me think that they'll just replace it with something else and wrap it up in a different bow, but for now I rejoice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 12:44:22 GMT 1
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Post by Drew on Jan 27, 2020 14:00:46 GMT 1
I've ignored their posts because they are wrong. Simple as that. Come on show some authority to support your arguments. Show me why I should believe Wookeywombat from Blue and Amber forum over every legal authority in the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 16:13:02 GMT 1
I've ignored their posts because they are wrong. Simple as that. Come on show some authority to support your arguments. Show me why I should believe Wookeywombat from Blue and Amber forum over every legal authority in the country. You really are a wind up merchant or one of those itemized in the Irish Times article. If EU directives are laws why are they never fully implemented by member states? Could it be for the reasons given some way above?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2020 16:31:22 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 27, 2020 16:42:34 GMT 1
All a bit superfluous now. EU laws or directives, we won't be taking any notice of them, unless it's to do with trade with the EU. Won't have a say in making them and wont have a say about adhering to them, but if we want to deal with EU countries, we obey. Everything else, like human rights, safety and employment laws is up to our government.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 17:52:41 GMT 1
Interesting how Brexiters will choose to ignore certain things eg.
"The European Union is based on the rule of law. This means that every action taken by the EU is founded on treaties that have been approved democratically by its members. EU laws help to achieve the objectives of the EU treaties and put EU policies into practice. There are two main types of EU law – primary and secondary"
APPROVED DEMOCRATICALLY BY IT'S MEMBERS being the bit that is continually "nay sayed"
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 27, 2020 18:11:33 GMT 1
Interesting how Brexiters will choose to ignore certain things eg. "The European Union is based on the rule of law. This means that every action taken by the EU is founded on treaties that have been approved democratically by its members. EU laws help to achieve the objectives of the EU treaties and put EU policies into practice. There are two main types of EU law – primary and secondary" APPROVED DEMOCRATICALLY BY IT'S MEMBERS being the bit that is continually "nay sayed" That is exactly what caused it's demise with our voters - they look at it and think "too bureaucratic" not understanding and not interested enough to bother to understand. A trait of ours, like expecting Johnny Foreigner to speak English rather than us to learn any other culture or language. Let's just hope the majorities head down, keep calm and carry on approach gets us through this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 19:40:25 GMT 1
Because it fails to mention what the directive is all about and the international framework that underpins the directive. ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/eu-copyright-legislationAnd the article can't make it's mind up if it is a directive, or a law. So, the headline mentions law, grabbing the attention of people who "want to take back control" or something, while talking about a directive in the main text. Still, what does it matter eh? As long as our fishing industry gets looked after.... What do you want the report to do. Quote the entire legislation? An EU directive is a law as pointed out above so you appear to be calling the BBC article dishonest for calling a law a law which is a bit strange to be honest. No, but I expect some analysis and not a press release, you know like some old fashioned journalism....mad eh? And the article can't make it's mind up whether it's a law or a directive, that seems pretty clear.
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Post by Drew on Jan 27, 2020 20:21:02 GMT 1
What do you want the report to do. Quote the entire legislation? An EU directive is a law as pointed out above so you appear to be calling the BBC article dishonest for calling a law a law which is a bit strange to be honest. No, but I expect some analysis and not a press release, you know like some old fashioned journalism....mad eh? And the article can't make it's mind up whether it's a law or a directive, that seems pretty clear. That's because an EU directive is a law (of the EU) so it's perfectly acceptable for them to use the terms how they have.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 28, 2020 13:53:58 GMT 1
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 8, 2020 8:13:44 GMT 1
Brexit means Brexit ? It was clear that the hidden agenda was no deal and all the talk of "oven ready" deals was just lies.
Nearly 2 years on and all we have succeeded in doing is removing the option that all credible economists said was the best option for the UK.
At one point Boris was saying that no deal would be a disaster - now it is his preferred option.
What a mess - at least Boris can blame Coronavirus for the economic fallout and history will probably blame Cameron for the dissolution of the union so Boris could get away with not being to blame for the **** up at all.
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 8, 2020 9:00:43 GMT 1
Brexit means Brexit ? It was clear that the hidden agenda was no deal and all the talk of "oven ready" deals was just lies. Nearly 2 years on and all we have succeeded in doing is removing the option that all credible economists said was the best option for the UK. At one point Boris was saying that no deal would be a disaster - now it is his preferred option. What a mess - at least Boris can blame Coronavirus for the economic fallout and history will probably blame Cameron for the dissolution of the union so Boris could get away with not being to blame for the **** up at all. I'm really beginning to wonder when some people are going to wake up and realise they've been had by a charlatan who will say anything to get himself through the day. You'd hope they would be wondering that already after the mess these Brexit zealots and incompetents have made of running the country since they took over and how they have turned lying into an art form.
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 11, 2020 21:49:52 GMT 1
Where are the Brexiters who demanded the respect of democracy ? Boris fought an election based upon his oven ready Brexit agreement- he is now saying that he will change that agreement not only against international law, but without the accord of the electorate.
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Post by shrewinspain on Sept 12, 2020 7:54:36 GMT 1
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 12, 2020 8:54:03 GMT 1
The moron just reinvents reality to suit his own ends. It is just like Trump with his alternative facts. They are both pathological narcissists and liars who shouldn't be anywhere near power.
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 14, 2020 9:55:32 GMT 1
Cummings caught driving through a red light - no problem, it only broke the law in a specific and limited way; which is ok apparently.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 14, 2020 10:32:27 GMT 1
I can’t see why we are all so surprised at this. These are, after all, the bunch who tried to prorogue Parliament last year to get their own way. They are a right bunch of what I will not say - choose your own words to fit.
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Post by Flixton_shrew on Sept 14, 2020 11:37:59 GMT 1
I can’t see why we are all so surprised at this. These are, after all, the bunch who tried to prorogue Parliament last year to get their own way. They are a right bunch of what I will not say - choose your own words to fit. This is what happens when cabinet positions are allocated on the basis of who will most annoy liberals/opposition, rather than on any indication of competence or ability. We will all suffer as a result
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 20:27:21 GMT 1
Here’s a worrying thing . Johnson wants to pass a law providing for the possibility of violating a binding international treaty . If he gets this through parliament , and he will cos the numbers stack up , he will need to get Royal assent , which is always given . Constitutionally I understand it cannot be refused . To my mind therefore he is implicating her Majesty the Queen to violate this treaty . Johnson’s manoeuvre is a threat to democracy no doubt.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 14, 2020 22:39:39 GMT 1
Nice to see this thread resurrected!
One question though - where's percy?
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