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Post by scooter on Aug 28, 2019 15:21:56 GMT 1
Well done Boris.... sky news full of remaimers up in arms about the crash of democracy... irony in full swing.....š¤£šš¤£ It would be interesting if he signed a last minute deal off during this time, and MPās who wanted to vote against it couldnāt i know now itās not likely, but the shouts about democracy would sound a bit different then
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 28, 2019 15:25:49 GMT 1
its not an argument though. its ensuring the will of the people is carried out,despite all the backstabbing and doom mongering of the and scaremongering of those resisting change. Will of the people? Who voted tory with Johnson as prime minister? Likewise
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Post by highlandshrew on Aug 28, 2019 15:28:14 GMT 1
Will of the people? Who voted tory with Johnson as prime minister? Likewise
Did nobody ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Aug 28, 2019 15:32:04 GMT 1
It doesn't ensure that the will of the people is carried out. It ensures that there is a no deal Brexit that will cause a crisis that, as usual, the Conservative Party and their plutocratic funders won't waste. The NHS further commercialised, tax breaks (because obviously these have worked to raise investment in the past), Human and employee right thrown on the bonfire.
What has ensured No Deal is that the MPs have voted three times against a deal and have not - after months of jawing - coalesced around a way forward that the majority can support. They have run out of road and they have let the country down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:36:59 GMT 1
Well done Boris.... sky news full of remaimers up in arms about the crash of democracy... irony in full swing.....š¤£šš¤£ It would be interesting if he signed a last minute deal off during this time, and MPās who wanted to vote against it couldnātĀ i know now itās not likely, but the shouts about democracy would sound a bit different then I think he wants a deal... and i also think he will get a deal... what he does not want is having his hands tied and his arse put in the air for a spanking by taking the threat of no deal off the table.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 28, 2019 15:37:54 GMT 1
I am really in despair about the way this country is going.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 16:01:02 GMT 1
Maybe not on 1st November. But if situation regarding prioritisation at ports and import clearances are not organised regarding food imports, then yes once retailer brexit buffer stocks are depleted then some stores may see food shortages on shelf. This will of course be amplified by consumers buying more which has a multiplier effect. Bloody hell.... can we only buy food from Europe...... My god was not aware of that... were doomed..... No. But supermarket retailers suppliers will get food from a number of world sources. If ports are blocked then there will be shortages on shelf. This isn't scaremongering it is how supply chains operate.
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Post by salop27 on Aug 28, 2019 16:31:38 GMT 1
The EU big wigs have received a message from the UK government today. Hopefully it will sharpen minds on both sides. Despite the outcry from some we could well be one step nearer a deal parliament would find acceptable.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 28, 2019 16:37:35 GMT 1
At last we have a Prime Minister showing some decisive leadership. Brussells at least know they no longer have a doormat in No 10
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Post by venceremos on Aug 28, 2019 16:48:52 GMT 1
Why should Johnson turning Her Maj into Charles I ruffle any feathers in the EU?
They know we're hopelessly divided, in a never-ending state of turmoil and with a lying clown at the helm. What difference does it make to them? What's the message?
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Post by venceremos on Aug 28, 2019 16:53:38 GMT 1
What some current Tory ministers said about the idea of proroguing parliament during the very recent Tory leadership campaign. Matt Hancock. "goes against everything that those men who waded onto those beaches [on D-Day] fought and died for - and I will not have it.ā Amber Rudd. "outrageous to consider proroguing Parliament" Nicky Morgan. "it would lead to a constitutional crisis." Parliaments are always prorogue before a Queens Speech. This is not unusual though it could be termed fortuitous for the government. Three of the five weeks are normally times parliament would be closed for the conference season anyway. Those attempting to justify this action would be more credible if they could, hand on heart, say they'd accept just as readily Corbyn, or another left of centre prime minister, following this precedent in future in order to force through a position to which they were vehemently opposed. Oh, and doing so with a smirk as they claimed it was simply to enable them to pursue their domestic agenda. Please don't try to tell me you would because I simply won't believe you. The stench of hypocrisy from hard line brexiteers and feeble, careerist Tories is overwhelming.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 28, 2019 16:57:55 GMT 1
Just out of interest as Iāve clearly missed it can someone provide a link to Johnsonās agreed plan for what his brexit plan is? Heās been PM for a month now but I clearly missed the publication of the plan he has
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Post by mattmw on Aug 28, 2019 17:03:41 GMT 1
Why should Johnson turning Her Maj into Charles I ruffle any feathers in the EU? They know we're hopelessly divided, in a never-ending state of turmoil and with a lying clown at the helm. What difference does it make to them? What's the message? I was speaking to a colleague in Europe earlier today as this latest twist broke - they expressed a rather resigned view that itās long been planned for across Europe and long while it had been nice working with us and there will be some issues with a no deal on the EU side they arenāt expecting any changes from the EU side. Their position is one of puzzlement and confusion mixed with business as usual for them
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Post by venceremos on Aug 28, 2019 17:12:17 GMT 1
Why should Johnson turning Her Maj into Charles I ruffle any feathers in the EU? They know we're hopelessly divided, in a never-ending state of turmoil and with a lying clown at the helm. What difference does it make to them? What's the message? I was speaking to a colleague in Europe earlier today as this latest twist broke - they expressed a rather resigned view that itās long been planned for across Europe and long while it had been nice working with us and there will be some issues with a no deal on the EU side they arenāt expecting any changes from the EU side. Their position is one of puzzlement and confusion mixed with business as usual for them It seems the extreme anglo-centric world view of so many brexiteers is going to continue to cost the country dearly, which is a bit ironic really. I doubt the blinkers will come off, whatever happens. They'll just blame everyone else but themselves, as usual.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 28, 2019 17:15:01 GMT 1
The EU big wigs have received a message from the UK government today. Hopefully it will sharpen minds on both sides. Despite the outcry from some we could well be one step nearer a deal parliament would find acceptable. Apart from watching even greater turmoil across the Channel, what exactly has changed for the "big wigs"?
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Post by Flixton_shrew on Aug 28, 2019 17:24:03 GMT 1
Just out of interest as Iāve clearly missed it can someone provide a link to Johnsonās agreed plan for what his brexit plan is? Heās been PM for a month now but I clearly missed the publication of the plan he has Whatever his plan is , he's got some special treats in store to make sure it happens when he says so SpoilersSurely, if leaving was such a good idea, Boris should be honest about the risks and benefits of putting the whole country on his kamikaze slide into the unknown
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 28, 2019 19:27:03 GMT 1
Hmmm. Snap poll by yougov suggests this isn't a popular move;
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 28, 2019 19:27:38 GMT 1
Just out of interest as Iāve clearly missed it can someone provide a link to Johnsonās agreed plan for what his brexit plan is? Heās been PM for a month now but I clearly missed the publication of the plan he has Its on the shelf next door to the great Labour plan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 19:45:19 GMT 1
Just out of interest as Iāve clearly missed it can someone provide a link to Johnsonās agreed plan for what his brexit plan is? Heās been PM for a month now but I clearly missed the publication of the plan he has Its on the shelf next door to the great Labour plan Got to admit... feeling quite smug tonight... with all the spitting fuming remainers going on about how injust this is..... would love to be a fly on the wall of these poloticians who have no backbone or morals....
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 28, 2019 20:00:20 GMT 1
Downiest, when you mention politicians with no morals, there is no-one to match our PM.
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Post by tvor on Aug 28, 2019 20:02:48 GMT 1
It doesn't ensure that the will of the people is carried out. It ensures that there is a no deal Brexit that will cause a crisis that, as usual, the Conservative Party and their plutocratic funders won't waste. The NHS further commercialised, tax breaks (because obviously these have worked to raise investment in the past), Human and employee right thrown on the bonfire. That sums up the position very well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:13:39 GMT 1
Downiest, when you mention politicians with no morals, there is no-one to match our PM. Downiest?
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Post by tvor on Aug 28, 2019 20:14:38 GMT 1
I am really in despair about the way this country is going. The Country is going to hell in a handcart. Personally I'm looking forward, hopefully, to the Scots getting their independence so I can go and live up there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:16:20 GMT 1
I am really in despair about the way this country is going. The Country is going to hell in a handcart. Personally I'm looking forward, hopefully, to the Scots getting their independence so I can go and live up there. lol... thats funny....
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Post by venceremos on Aug 28, 2019 20:17:59 GMT 1
Its on the shelf next door to the great Labour plan Got to admit... feeling quite smug tonight... with all the spitting fuming remainers going on about how injust this is..... would love to be a fly on the wall of these poloticians who have no backbone or morals.... How smug will you feel if Corbyn, or someone else you oppose, pulls this trick in future? Because you wonāt have any grounds for complaint. Sacrificing parliamentary democracy for the sake of forcing brexit through seems a dangerously high price to pay, even before we get to the direct costs and losses arising from brexit. If brexit is truly āthe will of the peopleā, why does it require such dishonesty and underhand trickery to make it happen?
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Post by mattmw on Aug 28, 2019 20:19:29 GMT 1
Just out of interest as Iāve clearly missed it can someone provide a link to Johnsonās agreed plan for what his brexit plan is? Heās been PM for a month now but I clearly missed the publication of the plan he has Its on the shelf next door to the great Labour plan This may come as a big shock but Labour arenāt the ruling party of government who are currently negotiating with the EU on brexit Even then Labours policies on brexit - short as they are - are both more rounded than the Conservatives and have been approved by the Labour membership
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Post by venceremos on Aug 28, 2019 20:20:00 GMT 1
I am really in despair about the way this country is going. The Country is going to hell in a handcart. Personally I'm looking forward, hopefully, to the Scots getting their independence so I can go and live up there. Yep, I hope we can shrink the country to the smallest possible size and then all the Little Englanders can live there and the rest of us can forget about them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:22:32 GMT 1
Got to admit... feeling quite smug tonight... with all the spitting fuming remainers going on about how injust this is..... would love to be a fly on the wall of these poloticians who have no backbone or morals.... How smug will you feel if Corbyn, or someone else you oppose, pulls this trick in future? Ā Because you wonāt have any grounds for complaint. Sacrificing parliamentary democracy for the sake of forcing brexit through seems a dangerously high price to pay, even before we get to the direct costs and losses arising from brexit. Ā If brexit is truly āthe will of the peopleā, why does it require such dishonesty and underhand trickery to make it happen? Because the people elected to carry out the result of the referendum have stabbed the public in the back .... over 400 of them are stauch remainers and will do anything to stop the process... there are hundreds that are ignoring the result of the constituency... (on both side) this is not a tory /labour thing... its leave or remain....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:27:10 GMT 1
I just cannot understand this mad unjustified rush towards Brexit which flies in the face of public opinion. A recent poll in the Brexit supporting Murdoch press (Times/Sunday Times). Given the choice no deal or remain, 77% opted for Remain.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:36:12 GMT 1
I just cannot understand this mad unjustified rush towards Brexit which flies in the face of public opinion. A recent poll in the Brexit supporting Murdoch press (Times/Sunday Times). Given the choice no deal or remain, 77% opted for Remain. I can go to certain areas and do polls and get a result that i want.... i can go to scotland and get an 70% remain... or Sunderland and get an 70% leave. But the one that counts is that one that was open to all eligible voters in 2016... and that is what some of you seem to be so thick to realise....
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