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Post by shrewblue on Aug 16, 2018 22:15:17 GMT 1
Gnahoua I can understand being loaned out but not Eisa from what I have seen he has great potential. I truly hope the management team are making the right call here because if they are not and our season does not start to improve we are putting ourselves at a disadvantage by letting players like Eisa out on loan, especially if we lose them until January or worse a season long loan.
We must believe the management team know what they are doing but for me it is an illogical decision. Of course I am just a seasoned fan not a football coach /manager who we expect to know better. Time will tell
I truly hope we win against Blackpool and start to put some good results together as we need to get the feel good factor back for fan and player
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Post by timshrew75 on Aug 16, 2018 22:36:10 GMT 1
My optimistic reading of this is that Askey still expects us to be challenging for playoffs or better this year and he feels (as did Hurst) that Eisa isn’t ready for top of League 1 action.
My pessimistic reading is that if we lose a couple more games then Askey is healing pressure on himself by benching our captain, selling our top scorer and shipping out a popular (albeit unproven) youngster.
I guess time will tell...
Salop
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Post by lenny on Aug 16, 2018 22:42:57 GMT 1
Am I the only one who isn’t so devastated about this? Depends on the details, but he’s not in our first 11 and is behind Fej too as a bench option. I’d rather he played regularly at the top end of L2 and we could assess him in January than have him sat in the reserves. If he’s farmed out for the full season with no effort made to extend his deal then I’d certainly be concerned, though. We haven’t seen enough of him to really know how good he is beyond the raw potential we’ve seen in glimpses, and neither Hurst nor Askey has judged him ready to be in the picture when we’ve actually needed points.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 16, 2018 22:48:01 GMT 1
This is beginning to remind me of the Dean Henderson loan recall story that all too quickly became accepted as truth amongst a lot of fans and was quietly forgotten (with some embarrassment I hope) when it turned out not to be.
Before we light the torches and prepare the lynching over this " decision" that doesn't yet seem to be a decision, perhaps we should just wait to see whether it happens. All that seems to have happened so far is that Brown made an enquiry.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 16, 2018 22:48:47 GMT 1
I've defended Askey, but that is ****ing stupid. I was really looking forward to seeing Abo giving us a bit of excitement.
You'll have to excuse me for including sexual abuse here, but I'm feeling grumpy.
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Post by claphamshrew on Aug 16, 2018 23:03:11 GMT 1
Out of the two, regardless of how they appear in training, it is clear from last season that Gnahoua is the one more in need of some competitive action in the football league. He was like a fish up a tree whenever he played.
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Post by TheFoz on Aug 16, 2018 23:23:49 GMT 1
Ffs.
Very annoyed if this is true. Definitely a player that could make an impact off the bench which may lead to starts.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Aug 16, 2018 23:56:31 GMT 1
Very good decision if true. Good way for the lad to get some first team games in the football league under his belt for our long term benefit.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 17, 2018 0:01:09 GMT 1
Very good decision if true. Good way for the lad to get some first team games in the football league under his belt for our long term benefit. If true? Surely in your self appointed role it is up to you to investigate the veracity of the story.
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Post by indalo on Aug 17, 2018 0:12:01 GMT 1
I've defended Askey, but that is ****ing stupid. I was really looking forward to seeing Abo giving us a bit of excitement.
You'll have to excuse me for including sexual abuse here, but I'm feeling grumpy. I've been hoping for a bit more excitement myself but,at my age,I suppose I should be grateful for whatever I get and I guess too much of it wouldn't be good for my health anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 7:05:50 GMT 1
Looks like old Arthur Askey is making a stage comeback in the lead role of the stage version of ‘Damned United’. Just swap Leeds for Shrewsbury of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 7:12:06 GMT 1
Very good decision if true. Good way for the lad to get some first team games in the football league under his belt for our long term benefit. Spot on.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 17, 2018 7:39:45 GMT 1
Very disappointing if true. Was hoping he'd come through into first team to add some spark. Problem though when we dont have a reserve side to get the "fringe" players and the regular bench warmers some game time. Askey said in his Q&A he preferred loans to having a reserve side. All very well loaning out the young kids, but good luck to JA finding anyone who wants to take either Arthur or Jules on loan! I presume he also wants to offload Jones. He may have some success there, as there does seem to be some interest in him. Sure it was reported yesterday (radio) Jones turned down a loan move to some Scottish club although haven’t seen it on here or Shrewsweb
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 17, 2018 7:46:16 GMT 1
i know managers have to make tough decisions askey has forgotten more about football than i will ever know but i will be disappointed if he goes out on loan, even more if he then leave the club, i felt he did enough last season to warrant more first team places. he is a star for the future that we need to support and nurture.
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Post by shrewder on Aug 17, 2018 9:08:14 GMT 1
i know managers have to make tough decisions askey has forgotten more about football than i will ever know but i will be disappointed if he goes out on loan, even more if he then leave the club, i felt he did enough last season to warrant more first team places. he is a star for the future that we need to support and nurture. Exactly and on the face of it seems to be slipping through the clubs fingers.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 17, 2018 9:13:58 GMT 1
No mention of how long the loan would be. I guess a months loan would be acceptable if he isn’t going to feature for us, score a few goals and come straight back into the team 👍
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Post by andycapp on Aug 17, 2018 9:19:44 GMT 1
You can see the way this will turn out, he’s allowed to go on loan and does well. We want him back in January but his head has been turned by regular first team football and he wants to either go permanently to Swindon or else where. So we either keep him for the rest of his contract and he then leaves, or we sell him in January for peanuts. Fast forward a couple of years, he is a regular starter at a much higher level and worth a fortune, which we have of course missed out on. Andre Gray anyone.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 17, 2018 9:23:42 GMT 1
The impact of not having regular reserve games for other squad players to get games and impress the manager.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 17, 2018 9:25:05 GMT 1
Time to bring back the reserve team?
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Post by Paul on Aug 17, 2018 9:25:41 GMT 1
Really uninterested in who Askey loans out and who he doesn’t. Eisa is one of the players he’s seen a lot of in pre season and most of us have not seen that much of him at all - so I trust his judgement. Despite some encouraging signs, I remember Hurst hinting that Eisa was a bit immature on the pitch and could be a liability in matches with some of the decisions he makes. Better that this is ironed out somewhere else in our circumstances.
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Post by JohnG on Aug 17, 2018 9:28:23 GMT 1
No mention of how long the loan would be. I guess a months loan would be acceptable if he isn’t going to feature for us, score a few goals and come straight back into the team 👍 Loans are now either 6 months until the next transfer window, or season long.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 17, 2018 10:42:07 GMT 1
If we are playing three up front, big target man and two wide players, then those wide players need to be incisive and attacking.
We have Whalley and Gillead who look certain starters, with Okenabirhie banging on the door after a great pre season and some good substitute appearances.
That means Eisa is 4th choice. But those are the positions, Rodman and Whalley last season, where they ran themselves into the ground over the course of a season and regularly needed to be substituted.
If Whalley or Gilead is injured or suspended then where is our cover?
Stef Payne has gone - is he just going to play the big lads altogether up front?
It seems like a really important position to go short of cover on. From what I have seen the other option, Gnahoua, is nowhere near Eisa in terms of form or potential.
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Post by lancsman on Aug 17, 2018 11:15:42 GMT 1
Agreed, another area where Askey seems to have blinkered vision. The proverbial mess is not far down the road if Askey carries on like this.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 17, 2018 11:20:30 GMT 1
If we are playing three up front, big target man and two wide players, then those wide players need to be incisive and attacking. We have Whalley and Gillead who look certain starters, with Okenabirhie banging on the door after a great pre season and some good substitute appearances. That means Eisa is 4th choice. But those are the positions, Rodman and Whalley last season, where they ran themselves into the ground over the course of a season and regularly needed to be substituted. If Whalley or Gilead is injured or suspended then where is our cover? Stef Payne has gone - is he just going to play the big lads altogether up front? It seems like a really important position to go short of cover on. From what I have seen the other option, Gnahoua, is nowhere near Eisa in terms of form or potential. it is not my intention to be critical of askey and i am sorry if it sounds like i am but "in todays star Other players not yet involved in Askey’s squads have been Luke Hendrie, Zak Jules and Arthur Gnahoua. “Ideally they need to go and get games.” the boss said. “But you need people to come in and take them. The players’ agents know and they’ve been putting the names about and we’ve been putting names about with other clubs." it makes sense to give the fringe players the chance for first team football but we only have to look at Holloway injure to see how quickly we can look thin on the ground, i have already mentioned eisa i have to say i was not very impressed with hendrie last season but he is the spare right back and utility player so i would have thought he would be worth keeping unless askey has someone he wont's in on loan as a right back
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Post by northwestman on Aug 17, 2018 11:34:39 GMT 1
"We've been putting names about with other Clubs"
Assuming he's not talking about the young lads in the 2nd year of their professional contracts, it looks like he's got a few in mind. That being the case, we shall indeed look thin on the ground if the inevitable suspensions and injuries occur, as we can't recall any of them until at least January.
The only caveat I might apply is that he might be thinking of using his 2 remaining loan slots.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 17, 2018 11:42:41 GMT 1
"We've been putting names about with other Clubs" Assuming he's not talking about the young lads in the 2nd year of their professional contracts, it looks like he's got a few in mind. That being the case, we shall indeed look thin on the ground if the inevitable suspensions and injuries occur, as we can't recall any of them until at least January. The only caveat I might apply is that he might be thinking of using his 2 remaining loan slots. if hendrie does go out on loan and askey does use the loan slots i hope we have a forward and a right back
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Post by venceremos on Aug 17, 2018 11:51:17 GMT 1
You can see the way this will turn out, he’s allowed to go on loan and does well. We want him back in January but his head has been turned by regular first team football and he wants to either go permanently to Swindon or else where. So we either keep him for the rest of his contract and he then leaves, or we sell him in January for peanuts. Fast forward a couple of years, he is a regular starter at a much higher level and worth a fortune, which we have of course missed out on. Andre Gray anyone. <iframe width="18.72" height="3.94" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59418134" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -5px; width: 18.72px; height: 3.94px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="18.72" height="3.94" id="MoatPxIOPT0_67814924" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 881px; top: -5px; width: 18.72px; height: 3.94px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="18.72" height="3.94" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41703806" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 137px; width: 18.72px; height: 3.94px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="18.72" height="3.94" id="MoatPxIOPT0_33453279" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 881px; top: 137px; width: 18.72px; height: 3.94px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> That's not really how it happened with Andre Gray though. As much as I want to see Eisa playing here there's no guarantee he's the star in the making that a lot here seem to be assuming. He might not make it but nobody will know either way unless he plays, here or elsewhere. But talk of him slipping through our fingers is getting way too far ahead of ourselves.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 17, 2018 11:59:10 GMT 1
I believe Eisa to be capable of going far in the game. This would be a terrible decision to let him out of our sight. This guy is one of few players that gets you off your seat when he runs at players
Come on Askey give your head a good wobble man
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 17, 2018 12:05:15 GMT 1
Was hoping this chap would be given a chance to show us what he could do, think that would be fun to see. I was expecting that to be a highlight of the season.
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Post by lancsman on Aug 17, 2018 12:15:45 GMT 1
Jesus, how many of us can see this ......together with the Sadler issue..... its as plain as night and day. FFS Askey can you not see any further than your nose. Askey needs to try what we are saying here. If it goes belly up after two games we will all put our hands up. At least he will know it won’t work.....or will work. We cannot all be wrong here.
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