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Post by jamo on Oct 19, 2016 8:45:16 GMT 1
May be a name of interest to us all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 8:51:48 GMT 1
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Post by jamo on Oct 19, 2016 8:56:51 GMT 1
In my opinion that's a good spot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 9:33:16 GMT 1
Fits the Scottish connections and also the part about us speaking to clubs and agents.
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Post by Observer on Oct 19, 2016 9:47:11 GMT 1
Not what we need.
We need someone who is a wheeler dealer who has a good knowledge of English lower league football and is a good wheeler dealer and motivator, alongside him, we need some specialist coaches, defensive, fitness, strikers etc.
I have zero confidence in those currently identifying our potential managers and when you hear Dean Holden has been interviewed, you will get my point
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Oct 19, 2016 10:15:52 GMT 1
Done a pretty good job in the shadow of Celtic & Rangers.
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Post by observer on Oct 19, 2016 10:25:38 GMT 1
Disagree, Scottish football is a completely different business to lower league English football IMO
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 11:46:29 GMT 1
Not what we need. We need someone who is a wheeler dealer who has a good knowledge of English lower league football and is a good wheeler dealer and motivator, alongside him, we need some specialist coaches, defensive, fitness, strikers etc. I have zero confidence in those currently identifying our potential managers and when you hear Dean Holden has been interviewed, you will get my point Interviews are today, so Dean Holden hasn't been interviewed. It will fill you with no confidence but the only one I know that is being interviewed is Bentley. He, though, is not first choice but a safeguard if the number one choice falls through.
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Oct 19, 2016 11:53:50 GMT 1
Do we have any "spotters" at the meadow?
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Post by shrewblue on Oct 19, 2016 12:29:38 GMT 1
All due respect to Jim Bentley but i.m.h.o. our 100 applicants cannot have been of a very high standard if JB has, as Wookey suggests above, made the list of the last 5 candidates, and the shame of it, rightly or wrongly, would be expected to fail by the majority of fans, in his task of helping us avoiding relegation from Div 1.
It makes no sense for STFC to even put him in that position as I feel the negativity around such an appointment would not help his or the town's cause from the start all my opinion and observation of course!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 12:36:10 GMT 1
All due respect to Jim Bentley but i.m.h.o. our 100 applicants cannot have been of a very high standard if JB has, as Wookey suggests above, made the list of the last 5 candidates, and the shame of it, rightly or wrongly, would be expected to fail by the majority of fans, in his task of helping us avoiding relegation from Div 1. It makes no sense for STFC to even put him in that position as I feel the negativity around such an appointment would not help his or the town's cause from the start all my opinion and observation of course! At least Jim Bentley knows league 2 well. Because that's where we are heading at the moment.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 19, 2016 13:48:29 GMT 1
Id take GT back till end of season.
Damage limiting maybe.
Were in a mess and staying up by goal difference in my opinion is a success now!
Which is sad.
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Post by observer on Oct 19, 2016 13:59:45 GMT 1
IMO a Rob Edwards or Ian Sharps type with GT as Director of Football would be more appealing to an unknown Scottish guy or Jim Bentley.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Oct 19, 2016 18:14:54 GMT 1
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Post by TheFoz on Oct 19, 2016 18:22:28 GMT 1
Contract til 2019, be a hefty compensation package.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 19, 2016 18:23:23 GMT 1
Reads as if he hasn't been interviewed yet. Has he expressed an interest I wonder.
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Post by JohnG on Oct 19, 2016 18:35:47 GMT 1
Interesting! It's pretty clear that the likes of Kenny Jackett are out of reach and we have to be realistic.
I don't know much about Archibald, but it's good to see that we are targeting in work managers as opposed to just trawling the unemployed list!
There has been much discussion on this board of potential managers, perceived levels of ambition etc.
A lot has been said about Jim Bentley, would you rather have Bentley or Archibald?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 18:43:40 GMT 1
A lot has been said about Jim Bentley, would you rather have Bentley or Archibald? Much of a muchness. Both adept at keeping unfashionable teams in leagues.
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Post by JohnG on Oct 19, 2016 18:53:28 GMT 1
Either Archibald or Bentley would be keen to impress. Both young managers wanting to prove themselves, why not take a punt!
In Archibalds favour is that he hasn't been pre-judged on blue and amber unlike Bentley!
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Post by chef on Oct 19, 2016 18:54:04 GMT 1
Interesting! It's pretty clear that the likes of Kenny Jackett are out of reach and we have to be realistic. I don't know much about Archibald, but it's good to see that we are targeting in work managers as opposed to just trawling the unemployed list! There has been much discussion on this board of potential managers, perceived levels of ambition etc. A lot has been said about Jim Bentley, would you rather have Bentley or Archibald? Archibald but would he come here? he's kept his team in the top flight since getting them promoted, would he be another who wants a Championship team though? Would be impressed if we got him, a statement of intent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:22:07 GMT 1
Interesting! It's pretty clear that the likes of Kenny Jackett are out of reach and we have to be realistic. I don't know much about Archibald, but it's good to see that we are targeting in work managers as opposed to just trawling the unemployed list! There has been much discussion on this board of potential managers, perceived levels of ambition etc. A lot has been said about Jim Bentley, would you rather have Bentley or Archibald? Archibald but would he come here? he's kept his team in the top flight since getting them promoted, would he be another who wants a Championship team though? Would be impressed if we got him, a statement of intent. Right. He's got a 34% win ratio in the same cut throat league that has seen Mark McGee, Lee Clark, Terry Butcher and Jackie McNamara do well. He's under contract until 2019. He's never managed in L1 or even England - bit different to Scottish league where Colin McMenanmin was a dangerous striker. Partick have won ONCE this term...........................ONCE! They are joint bottom. He is an Ex-Partick player and even theier own fans are turning on him....IE he's up for the sack!!!!!!
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Post by shrewblue on Oct 19, 2016 19:29:35 GMT 1
Given their respective records I believe Archibald has achieved more in keeping Partick in the SPL and doing OK than Bentley who has just been able to keep Morecambe in div 2 i.m.h.o.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 19:36:05 GMT 1
I would ask the logic of spending money on getting a manager who is about to be sacked by similar sized club.
Also if it really is a choice between Bentley and Archibald I would advocate leaving Coyne in place! Neither candidate is suitable really - if we want to spend money on a manager why get one who is "Just getting by" get one who can not get us out of trouble but can establish us as a secure L1 side!
If we go for a underwhelming manager then we will either fail or if we do stay up we will be back here again next season.
Lets bring in someone who will build us up to do well not just scrabble around at the bottom!
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Post by shrewd67 on Oct 19, 2016 19:42:10 GMT 1
If we appoint him think we should cut him some slack and get behind him. I'm not convinced he'll end up coming; under contract and never played or managed outside Scotland... We could just have approached his club so we can talk through the position.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 19, 2016 19:46:57 GMT 1
Not quite sure why Bentley & Archibald are getting so much stick. Both have been in their jobs for quite a while well over the average length of stay for managers.
There is a limit to what clubs can achieve given their resources, and we've no idea what budget they were given.
Not exactly sure who people would be happy with or were expecting?!
But one thing is certain that we're going down as it stands.
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Post by markglasgow on Oct 19, 2016 19:47:40 GMT 1
Archibald but would he come here? he's kept his team in the top flight since getting them promoted, would he be another who wants a Championship team though? Would be impressed if we got him, a statement of intent. Right. He's got a 34% win ratio in the same cut throat league that has seen Mark McGee, Lee Clark, Terry Butcher and Jackie McNamara do well. He's under contract until 2019. He's never managed in L1 or even England - bit different to Scottish league where Colin McMenanmin was a dangerous striker. Partick have won ONCE this term...........................ONCE! They are joint bottom. He is an Ex-Partick player and even theier own fans are turning on him....IE he's up for the sack!!!!!! At least you cannot roll out that 'cheap option' nonsense..... Perhaps we could bring in a manger who has never failed or gone through a tough spell. Oh wait they don't exist.... It's a bold, progressive appointment for me. Highly regarded up here and if the move comes off it will raise a few eyebrows for sure. Before judging do a bit more than have a quick glance at wikipedia.
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Post by chef on Oct 19, 2016 19:51:52 GMT 1
Archibald but would he come here? he's kept his team in the top flight since getting them promoted, would he be another who wants a Championship team though? Would be impressed if we got him, a statement of intent. Right. He's got a 34% win ratio in the same cut throat league that has seen Mark McGee, Lee Clark, Terry Butcher and Jackie McNamara do well. He's under contract until 2019. He's never managed in L1 or even England - bit different to Scottish league where Colin McMenanmin was a dangerous striker. Partick have won ONCE this term...........................ONCE! They are joint bottom. He is an Ex-Partick player and even theier own fans are turning on him....IE he's up for the sack!!!!!! Your maths isn't up to much if you think that 11th is equal twelfth. Every team below 5th has won two or less games and Partick have a game in hand. If they win it by just the 1 goal they shoot up to 7th, mid-table. Essentially it's very early and very tight in the SPL which of course, you didn't mention. He has kept Partick in that division since the season after he got them promoted which again you fail to mention. The question was would you prefer Bentley or Archibald, I presume you prefer Bentley.
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Post by highlander on Oct 19, 2016 20:05:02 GMT 1
Oddly enough I watched a game at Caledonian Stadium a year ago. Caley v Partick. John Hughes v Alan Archibald. From what I recall both teams cancelled each other out. No score. Both teams playing the same brand of football. Same system. Very, very direct but on the ground not over the top. John Hughes tried to cherry pick 3 of the Jags best players soon after on pre-contract agreements but, for whatever reason, they wouldn't move. Archibald is Mr Partick Thistle and would be one of a small group of up and coming Scottish managers just now. Paul Hartley at Dundee would be another. Contrary to what some have posted on here I would say Archibald is highly thought of at Partick both by players and fans. Question is......how much does he know about League 1? The current Partick team is largely made up of Scots with a couple of recruits from League 2 so there must be some 'down south' scouting going on but L1 will be something he's probably not been monitoring but who knows? Another question.....as others have posted it's not long since he and his assistant (Patterson) signed long contracts. Hmmm! If this happens it could either be a master stroke or a total disaster. RW would have to be pretty sure that Archibald would settle quickly away from his beloved Partick, and into L1 football, if he's going to shell out mega compensation. This is especially so when the likes of Pressley (just one example) are available. OK he's not had huge success so far but he's been dealt a dodgy hand or two. He'd sort out the defence, knows L1 and no compensation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:31:32 GMT 1
Right. He's got a 34% win ratio in the same cut throat league that has seen Mark McGee, Lee Clark, Terry Butcher and Jackie McNamara do well. He's under contract until 2019. He's never managed in L1 or even England - bit different to Scottish league where Colin McMenanmin was a dangerous striker. Partick have won ONCE this term...........................ONCE! They are joint bottom. He is an Ex-Partick player and even theier own fans are turning on him....IE he's up for the sack!!!!!! At least you cannot roll out that 'cheap option' nonsense..... Perhaps we could bring in a manger who has never failed or gone through a tough spell. Oh wait they don't exist.... It's a bold, progressive appointment for me. Highly regarded up here and if the move comes off it will raise a few eyebrows for sure. Before judging do a bit more than have a quick glance at wikipedia. Ha ha bold. Yeah I associate Patrick Thistle with exciting football. I just think we can do better. We need someone who can push us to be better than just edging by on otherwise we may as well have stuck with Mellon! PS nice to see people can advocate their choices without being rude to other members of our shrinking fan base. Maybe the fact no body has heard of this guy outside of Scotland says quite a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 20:33:07 GMT 1
Right. He's got a 34% win ratio in the same cut throat league that has seen Mark McGee, Lee Clark, Terry Butcher and Jackie McNamara do well. He's under contract until 2019. He's never managed in L1 or even England - bit different to Scottish league where Colin McMenanmin was a dangerous striker. Partick have won ONCE this term...........................ONCE! They are joint bottom. He is an Ex-Partick player and even theier own fans are turning on him....IE he's up for the sack!!!!!! Your maths isn't up to much if you think that 11th is equal twelfth. Every team below 5th has won two or less games and Partick have a game in hand. If they win it by just the 1 goal they shoot up to 7th, mid-table. Essentially it's very early and very tight in the SPL which of course, you didn't mention. He has kept Partick in that division since the season after he got them promoted which again you fail to mention. The question was would you prefer Bentley or Archibald, I presume you prefer Bentley. They are bottom with Dundee. Having one once. If it was Bentley vs Archibald then that's worrying in itself...I would choose neither tbh.
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