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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 17:40:33 GMT 1
So Harriet is asking Cameron to claim compensation from the French for the cost of the disruption to British firms and hauliers and holiday makers . What f.ckin planet is this women on .
I can imagine what the French response will be .
Time for Harman and others like her in the Labour Party to go somewhere far away and never return .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:00:30 GMT 1
So Harriet is asking Cameron to claim compensation from the French for the cost of the disruption to British firms and hauliers and holiday makers . What f.ckin planet is this women on . I can imagine what the French response will be . Time for Harman and others like her in the Labour Party to go somewhere far away and never return . Wow, who rattled your cage this afternoon? She said it was "wrong" for UK businesses and families to pay costs resulting from the ongoing problems, fair point I would have thought? I could also argue that the government is at fault in dealing with this situation. perhaps they should also do a runner?
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Post by Llanelian on Aug 1, 2015 18:04:29 GMT 1
May I respectfully suggest that you take your own advice and do one....and take your Tory friends with you!...it 's about time we stood up to the French...better idea would be shift all the commercial traffic to, say, the Hook of Holland, and compensate the hauliers with free crossings etc, and when the French have got their act together and regained control of their own problems and sorted out the infrastructure perhaps the original trade routes can be restored.
The majority of the people trying to get across to UK are not refugees.....Calais and France are, generally, a safe place to live and the 'refugees' are not in any danger other than getting run over.....therefor they should not be seen as refugees fleeing a violent regime. We haveTunnel Police on Merseyside......why not on the Channel Tunnel.......the police on Merseyside operate on both sides even though they have force boundaries etc. HH is right to lay the blame, not with those trying to get across to UK illegally, but with the French authorities and their unwillingness to take responsibility or police their own country!
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 1, 2015 18:23:00 GMT 1
Don't worry it's just the tory supporters grasping at straws over the way Cameron and teh Torys have dealt with this...Blame everyone who trys to suggest alternatives. Why shouldn't they claim compensation from the French or even D of T for failing to keep esential services running and borders open. It's beyond a joke that the French sit back and do nothing (much) and when they do act they simply release those detained to try again. Before any one says they've done nothing wrong how about criminal damage, threatening behaviour, assult and plenty more
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:24:38 GMT 1
What Tory friends ? As I am a member of the Labour Party my view is that Harman is exactly what is wrong with it at the moment ,she is an absolute disgrace . Just consider for one moment what would happen if the French decided not to police at all . How would we stand then.
If anything we need to engage in meaningful discussions with them as to how best to solve this problem .
In my view Harmans recent contribution smacks to me of appealing to the populist vote .
What on earth are you bringing into the discussion the bloody Mersey tunnel and the police . It has absolutely no relevance whatsoever.
If I may be so bold it has about as much relevance to the problem in the French port as Harmans wonderful contribution . Yes, the government could be doing better but if the French agreed to pay some kind of compensation ( as if ) the problem would still remain .
Yes, I am annoyed , Harman wants to get a reality check and with people like her in the Party spouting her usual s**** we will be getting nowhere
Grasping at straws? I' d like to grasp our Harriet round the bloody throat .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:37:36 GMT 1
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 1, 2015 18:54:55 GMT 1
No chance, he is much brighter than that.
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Post by Llanelian on Aug 1, 2015 19:25:11 GMT 1
My mistake...but I am finding it very difficult to find anyone who admits to having voted Tory and there seems to be a lot of people forking out £3 in order to try and influence a vote is happening sometime soon. I have absolutely no knowledge of who any posters are on the board if they don't identify themselves.....I suspect I may have stood next to them or stood over the same trough at half time at GM over the last 55 years or so so please forgive me....as a card carrying member myself I just wish we could stop in the inner bickering and unite to make life for Cameron and his cronies as difficult as possible and show them up for what they are........government tends to be as good as the opposition allows it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 21:01:29 GMT 1
I am a tory.... and lovin it at the moment, Come on Jezza..... get the leadership...........
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 1, 2015 21:47:36 GMT 1
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 1, 2015 22:26:37 GMT 1
You still have a Labour party in England??
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 1, 2015 23:12:52 GMT 1
You still have a Labour party in England?? We still have a Blue Brazil in Scotland. 5 - 1. 5 bloody 1. We even had the keeper sent off. I went out of the front door tonight, and a couple of friends walked by, and shouted, "how did Cowdenbeath get on today?". I'm ashamed to say, I pretended I hadn't seen the score.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 23:41:10 GMT 1
You still have a Labour party in England?? No. We have something masquerading as the Labour Party and making a very poor show of it . There are signs that the real Labour Party may be returning but I'm not holding my breath . In the meantime a bunch of tossers are in charge of the Country but I' m hoping the chief gets replaced by a blonde Buffoon who will lead the Party into oblivion . Failing that I'm hoping for a modern day Guido Fawkes to make an appearance . I just hope he has more success than the original t**t .
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 2, 2015 0:46:15 GMT 1
So poor Labour are torn.
We have Ben Kenobi wannabe Jeremy who seems to represent the heart and soul of the original party.
Sounds great huh?
One problem. A true left wing, socially aware Labour party doesn't seem to strike a chord with the bulk of the of the south of England who have a different agenda entirely.
Hmmm. What to do....??
Sell your soul as before? When Blair stormed to power and we all hoped that things could somehow change for the better when in reality we were just served more of the same.
My Mother was shop steward and growing up I, like most others brought up in a Lanarkshire mining and steel making community had no doubts where our political allegiances should lie. The Labour party used to take strongholds like ours for granted and ended up paying the ultimate price.
The Labour party have been virtually wiped out in Scotland. If there were a strong, dynamic left wing option in the rest of the UK then I would expect this pattern to be repeated across England and Wales.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 3:46:20 GMT 1
Are you saying that a strong left wing option is not the way forward ? I tend to think that it would be a welcome change , something that people could really align with , something that is totally different from what is being served up and if nothing else providing a clear demarcation between the policiy of austerity and a p**s poor Labour response as represented by the likes of Harman et al.
My friend , born and bred in Edinburgh is of the view that the Labour Party in Scotland became too tribal. Don't really know what she means by that but have always interpreted her view as a comment that the Party became too inward looking and forgot the people it was supposed to represent ? As a result as you say Labour have been virtually wiped out in Scotland and without winning back a fair proportion of those seats I cannot see how Labour can ever hope to win an election .
A daunting task considering the formidable opposition of the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon who impressed many in England with her debating skills .
I can see Scotland becoming independent , no doubt at all . With a weak Labour Party and a Tory Party who couldn't really give a toss about the Midlands and Northern England the momentum in Scotland must surely be toward self governance in total .
Of course the ugly issues are still there for the Torys . A global recession is still on the cards according to some and then there is the European Union referendum which could turn out to be a major problem for Cameron certainly as he faces battles with his own back benchers .
One thing we can be certain about , interesting times lie ahead.
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