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Post by markglasgow on Apr 21, 2015 12:54:47 GMT 1
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Post by rylehu on Apr 21, 2015 12:57:45 GMT 1
Meadow Lane? *face palm*
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 21, 2015 13:01:22 GMT 1
Hope not as were get **** all for him!
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Post by kuffdam72 on Apr 21, 2015 13:22:26 GMT 1
Not to the green and white s**te, please no!
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Post by percy on Apr 21, 2015 13:32:55 GMT 1
Disaster - no money at all ? I still cannot understand why going abroad avoids any compensation.
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Post by Dancin on Apr 21, 2015 15:29:35 GMT 1
If the lads that good Celtic want him why isn't he playing regular first team football for us?
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Apr 21, 2015 15:59:35 GMT 1
Why would he drop down a level to play for Celtic?
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Post by northwestman on Apr 21, 2015 16:43:34 GMT 1
"handful of appearances" = 3 short cameos as a substitute!
And what is meant by 'a moderate fee'?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 21, 2015 16:54:18 GMT 1
Having seen him play several times i don't think he is as good as many make out. James Caton is a better all round player and if Ginnelly is going to Celtic.... Caton should be a target of Madrid or or Barca. They are 3 years apart though. One presumes potential new employers hope a lot of development between 18 and 21.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 21, 2015 17:07:32 GMT 1
Well we invest £1000's on the young lad and could end up with nothing!
On the off chance your reading this Josh, if you have to leave and care anything about the club that invested in you don't go abroad, including Scotland cos that would be a betrayal!
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Post by wiseone on Apr 21, 2015 17:44:27 GMT 1
Well let's hope that Wildig and Collins fill him in about their experiences in Scotland.
I am sure that there must be an almost 100% rejection rate for Celtics youth team.
Celtic are in an enviable position that they can just mop up the best youngsters that are playing first team football anywhere in Scotland for a pittance.
So Celtic stay in your own borders and unless you rate Josh that highly leave him alone!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 21, 2015 17:51:53 GMT 1
How much compensation would you expect Town to get if he went to another English club? Genuine question as I'm not up on these things but with his lack of experience would it really be very much anyway? In which case if he went to Celtic would we lose out by very much overall?
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Post by vanner on Apr 21, 2015 17:57:32 GMT 1
How much compensation would you expect Town to get if he went to another English club? Genuine question as I'm not up on these things but with his lack of experience would it really be very much anyway? In which case if he went to Celtic would we lose out by very much overall? I'd hope 6 figures.
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Post by markglasgow on Apr 21, 2015 18:43:42 GMT 1
Didn't we pay Aberystwyth Town £30K for Bradshaw as part of UEFA's Training/Development comp scheme? We won't end up with much but it will be something.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 18:49:02 GMT 1
It will be set against what he has been offered here, if we offered a 5 year contract on 1k a week, compensation would be a lot higher than if we have offered him 200 a week on a 12 month contract. say it was 200 a week on a 12 month contract, we value him at £11,200 plus investment on training etc.
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Post by lenny on Apr 21, 2015 18:57:58 GMT 1
It will be set against what he has been offered here, if we offered a 5 year contract on 1k a week, compensation would be a lot higher than if we have offered him 200 a week on a 12 month contract. say it was 200 a week on a 12 month contract, we value him at £11,200 plus investment on training etc. Is this the rules set in by the horrendous EPPP brought in a couple of years ago?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 19:14:11 GMT 1
Although we will get jack- s**t for him if he goes to the Hoops, and maybe a tad more if he signs for a club in this country, would we still be able to include a sell- on clause if he was to be transferred.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 21, 2015 20:01:57 GMT 1
Yeah he's only been with us for 2 years with very minimal first team invovlement, and he's not on a professional contract. Might be some add ons but I think the initial up front fee would be pretty small
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 21:07:56 GMT 1
It will be set against what he has been offered here, if we offered a 5 year contract on 1k a week, compensation would be a lot higher than if we have offered him 200 a week on a 12 month contract. say it was 200 a week on a 12 month contract, we value him at £11,200 plus investment on training etc. Is this the rules set in by the horrendous EPPP brought in a couple of years ago? I sort of get it though.....
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Post by lenny on Apr 21, 2015 21:27:29 GMT 1
Is this the rules set in by the horrendous EPPP brought in a couple of years ago? I sort of get it though..... What, that small clubs can do nothing to prevent bigger clubs picking off their best young players for a fixed fee irrespective of talent simply based on an arbitrary number decided on by a two-day inspection once every few years?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 21:40:24 GMT 1
but surely if we value him by offering a contract, the size of that contract should be the basis of the valuation.
Cant have your cake and eat it.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 21, 2015 22:42:59 GMT 1
I sort of get it though..... What, that small clubs can do nothing to prevent bigger clubs picking off their best young players for a fixed fee irrespective of talent simply based on an arbitrary number decided on by a two-day inspection once every few years? Well not far off what lower league teams have had to put up with for years. Bigger teams coming along and nicking any talent they might have and not paying very much for it.
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Post by lenny on Apr 21, 2015 23:03:32 GMT 1
but surely if we value him by offering a contract, the size of that contract should be the basis of the valuation. Cant have your cake and eat it. That particular aspect of it isn't something I'm as concerned about, although I still think the basis of the valuation should be based more on the player himself rather than a contract which is largely dependent on a club's finances and policy. What, that small clubs can do nothing to prevent bigger clubs picking off their best young players for a fixed fee irrespective of talent simply based on an arbitrary number decided on by a two-day inspection once every few years? Well not far off what lower league teams have had to put up with for years. Bigger teams coming along and nicking any talent they might have and not paying very much for it. True, but the EPPP just makes it even easier and only serves the interests of the big clubs rather than protecting them, as well as being a further disincentive for lower league clubs to develop players. It was pushed through when the BPL threatened to withdraw its football league funding it it wasn't passed.
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Post by callum on Apr 21, 2015 23:04:15 GMT 1
Yeah he's only been with us for 2 years with very minimal first team invovlement, and he's not on a professional contract. Might be some add ons but I think the initial up front fee would be pretty small There's never many local lads left by the time they get to youth team age, we normally release our own and replace with lads let go by wolves etc.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 22, 2015 12:27:26 GMT 1
Ipswich interested too according to the Shropshire Star. However, far more interesting is the interview with Dom Smith at the bottom of the same article.
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Post by TheFoz on Apr 22, 2015 12:58:07 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking under EPPP rules we will get 25k+ add ons for Josh Ginnelly as he is under 18?
He's been at the club for 2 years so development costs are £12,500 per year due to us being a category 3 academy.
That's very unfair, we've given a chance to a youngster and spent a lot of time developing him and we will get next to nothing for it.
Of course, this is what the Premier League want as they want to bring down the current academy structure in England to suit their interests.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Apr 22, 2015 13:12:09 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Apr 22, 2015 13:30:48 GMT 1
In terms of what he's contributed to us so far - so what? He's done nothing.
In terms of what he might contribute in future, to us or anyone else, who knows whether he'll make it? Wrongfooting a Telford defender and hitting the target doesn't make him the next Ronaldo. Wright and Ainsworth would have had testimonials at Barcelona if that were the case.
Let's just get what we can from this, whether that's the lad signing a contract here or taking a chance that he can make it through the development squad somewhere else and we get a bit of compensation.
If we don't get a decent sum that'll be annoying but it would be hypocritical of us to go on too much about the costs we've incurred developing him to this stage. That wasn't a consideration when we released all the other youth teamers. If it's £12,500 a year and we get £25k then we've covered it so couldn't complain on that score. Losing out on his potential future value, now that's another thing.
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Post by vanner on Apr 22, 2015 15:39:35 GMT 1
By my rough estimates of FPP (I initially thought Ginnelly had been with us a lot longer), we'll get 20% of his next sell on fee (could worth a few bob if he goes somewhere like Ipswich as mentioned and progresses), as long as he moves again before the age of 24 and also 5% of all future domestic transfers. Plus a 25K fee. If he goes to Celtic obviously, we get a big fat nothing.
So best scenario is he joins Ipswich and we get £25,000 and 20% of next sell on + 5% of all future fee's. He is then sold to Manchester city for £25,000,000 in 2 years time and we get £5,000,000. He then does a SWP and QPR decide to match his wages and give him first time football in a transfer deal of £5,000,000 meaning we get £250,000. He then wins player of the season 2 years running and takes QPR to the champions league. Moneybags Arsenal decide to come to town and offer £80,000,000 and we pocket another £4,000,000. Leaving with us a total fee of 9,275,000. Happy days.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 16:23:47 GMT 1
Strange , but has some- one heard that MM has offered Ginnelly a better contract at the end of the season, and come up with the Ipswich connection?
Some people, doh.
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