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Post by stfc1969 on Mar 27, 2015 0:11:41 GMT 1
Wow that was embarrassing!!!!
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Post by buryshrew on Mar 27, 2015 0:22:19 GMT 1
Wow that was embarrassing!!!! Just a bit! Can't make my mind up whether Paxman was harder on Milliband, or whether Milliband was simply out of his depth.
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Post by alex1993 on Mar 27, 2015 0:33:42 GMT 1
I thought Paxman was harder personally towards Miliband but in terms of political ideas he went for Cameron. Was a very Labour loving programme tonight and found Kate cringeworthy at times with how biased she was.
Just my opinion though and being a first time voter I haven't heard anything that will make me tick any box yet.
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Post by Scarecrow on Mar 27, 2015 1:12:02 GMT 1
Paxman nearly became the Kensington and Chelsea conservative parliamentary candidate last week. It is clear where his allegiance lay.
It was a character assassination pure and simple by Paxman and Burley.
Why does Miliband get questions asked about his brother (4 years now get over it!), his presentation and is treated with genuine contempt while Cameron gets asked about shredded wheat?
Miliband did well while all factors went against him and if he does win the election he'll have had a harder ride than any PM into number 10.
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Post by TheFoz on Mar 27, 2015 4:27:38 GMT 1
I didn't think it was embarrassing for Miliband at all, I thought he came across rather well?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 27, 2015 7:46:16 GMT 1
Just another reminder to me that neither the Tories or Labour and the answer...
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Post by mrbunny on Mar 27, 2015 8:10:14 GMT 1
Thought both were pretty poor, Milliband did a bit better than I expected I guess but still doesn't convince me he is a leader.
Can see Farage having a good debate because he is a master of soundbytes and saying what people want to hear without having to go into detail. Quite scary really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 8:24:25 GMT 1
Apparently Milliband scored higher than Cameron with the undecided voters.
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Post by mattmw on Mar 27, 2015 8:25:18 GMT 1
All a bit depressing really with two politicians with few real policies to discuss, with two poor interviewers.
Quite how Kay Burley is still in work after all her gaffs is a mystery and Paxman has become a caricature of himself. Just at a time we really need good political journalists we seem to be going down the road of sound bites and PR and no detailed policy investigation
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 27, 2015 8:36:20 GMT 1
I imagine Miliband got the sympathy vote by all those (like myself) who thought that Paxman was a knob. Doesn't mean he'll make a good prime minister though.
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Post by stfc1969 on Mar 27, 2015 8:40:19 GMT 1
I didn't think it was embarrassing for Miliband at all, I thought he came across rather well? Seriously?! Watch it again, especially when asked about standing up and being a strong leader against Putin. Watch his answer and body language. Then he talked about labours previous failing re Banking regulations. Who was in charge of that at the time......Ed Balls. In respect of comments about Paxman giving him a harder time, that's nonsense! Miliband set the tone from the start as he looked as if he had worked himself up and he was quite agressive from the off and it back fired for him. In respect of him being questioned on personality, for me that's valid. Easy job in opposition, slating Govt policy at every turn, but he has to demonstrate he can lead this country home and abroad and have the metal to do the job.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Mar 27, 2015 9:30:35 GMT 1
Both Cameron and Milliband are a long way out of their depth as demonstrated last night. They both lack the ability to substantiate their reasoning and they are career politicians who have little experience of business/industry. They are typical of elitist methodology, whereby those who would not make the grade in the city are pushed into politics where money talks and MPs can be easily influenced.
They remind me of Harry Enfield's 'Tory Boy' character.
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Post by atcham jack on Mar 27, 2015 10:03:10 GMT 1
thankfully I did not watch it. but if paxo was offered a safe seat by tories, he should have withdrawn from the program.
I can think of 4 tv broadcasters/ interviewers who tried for a political career. Robin day stood in Hereford as liberal and lost. Geoffrey Johnson Smith and Christopher Chataway became tory mp's and Austin Mitchell labour mp for Grimsby retired yesterday. most of them had previous careers with panorama or newsnight.
given his connections surprised Jeremy Clarkson not offered a seat.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 27, 2015 10:27:35 GMT 1
Personally will vote Green at the moment however must admit Ed came across better than expected IMO.
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Post by shrewed46 on Mar 27, 2015 10:35:00 GMT 1
Paxman's closing comment to Milliband "Are you alright" was a disgrace, how condescending. Why someone who has been offered a safe tory seat and the opportunity to replace Boris should be allowed to conduct so important interviews.
Nobody referred to Milliband being attacked in South London yesterday.
Pretty clear why Chicken Cameron didn't want a head to head debate, he'd have lost.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 27, 2015 10:49:34 GMT 1
Paxman's closing comment to Milliband "Are you alright" was a disgrace, how condescending. Why someone who has been offered a safe tory seat and the opportunity to replace Boris should be allowed to conduct so important interviews. Nobody referred to Milliband being attacked in South London yesterday. Pretty clear why Chicken Cameron didn't want a head to head debate, he'd have lost. Noticed that as well, though was the mic's meant to be off at that point?
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Post by venceremos on Mar 27, 2015 11:12:38 GMT 1
Seems to me these shows are simply opportunities to get a better idea of the particular characters. There isn't the time for detailed policy proposals and few would be that interested anyway.
Paxman, like Clarkson, has become something of a caricature because of his mannerisms and house style. That's OK, he can still produce a good interview but most are ready for him now and he too often uses brusqueness rather than asking a properly insightful question. That said, he seemed to have Cameron rattled for a time on zero hours contracts and the like, but letting him get away without a question on the NHS was either astonishingly bad or biased from Paxman.
The personal nature of the questions to Miliband was tired and embarrassing - irrelevant and a missed opportunity for a sensibe discussion. He did well to undermine Cameron by liking two things about him that many in the Tory party don't (same sex marriage and the commitment to overseas aid).
I don't think either of them seems particularly statesmanlike but that's often true of our prime ministers and it isn't such a critical thing. A country needs efficient government and sometimes that's best achieved by someone just getting on with the job, not self-consciously "standing up for his country" and trying to lord it over other national leaders.
The standing up to Putin question was a silly one. No British leader will stop Putin doing what he can in Russia's sphere of influence and anyone that thinks Cameron could ever face down Putin in Eastern Europe is deluded.
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Post by hometownshrew on Mar 27, 2015 12:19:14 GMT 1
It was Paxman who was the embarrassment last night (sad really after a long career holding politicians to account). Thought Milliband at last showed the passion and character needed by a leader.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 12:39:41 GMT 1
I didn't think it was embarrassing for Miliband at all, I thought he came across rather well? Seriously?! Watch it again, especially when asked about standing up and being a strong leader against Putin. Watch his answer and body language. Then he talked about labours previous failing re Banking regulations. Who was in charge of that at the time......Ed Balls. In respect of comments about Paxman giving him a harder time, that's nonsense! Miliband set the tone from the start as he looked as if he had worked himself up and he was quite agressive from the off and it back fired for him. In respect of him being questioned on personality, for me that's valid. Easy job in opposition, slating Govt policy at every turn, but he has to demonstrate he can lead this country home and abroad and have the metal to do the job. The myth about banking regulations. At the time the Tories wanted even less stringent regulations than Alistair Darling who was in charge.
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Post by heavyglow on Mar 27, 2015 13:09:41 GMT 1
Paxman nearly became the Kensington and Chelsea conservative parliamentary candidate last week. It is clear where his allegiance lay. It was a character assassination pure and simple by Paxman and Burley. Why does Miliband get questions asked about his brother (4 years now get over it!), his presentation and is treated with genuine contempt while Cameron gets asked about shredded wheat? Miliband did well while all factors went against him and if he does win the election he'll have had a harder ride than any PM into number 10. What risible nonsense. His main fault was over-compensating for his Tory leanings by giving Cameron an awkward time asking obtuse questions that hid the true picture of his triumphs over the past five years. Although was gentler to Miliband, he ended up roasting him too, but that was more through shredding the glaring holes his nonsensical policies and limited ability, which can be exposed through even the most docile questioning.
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Post by atcham jack on Mar 27, 2015 13:42:56 GMT 1
I do wish spitting images would return. they would have a field day with our present establishment.
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Post by buryshrew on Mar 27, 2015 14:07:49 GMT 1
Paxman's closing comment to Milliband "Are you alright" was a disgrace, how condescending. Agree with that, I thought that was pretty underhand.
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 27, 2015 15:13:56 GMT 1
So what have we discovered? That Paxman is a prize prat - but we knew that anyway. That alone should make him a prime candidate to be a Tory MP.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 27, 2015 17:39:50 GMT 1
Paxman's closing comment to Milliband "Are you alright" was a disgrace, how condescending. Agree with that, I thought that was pretty underhand. If it was, "yeah, are you?" was the perfect comeback from Miliband.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 27, 2015 17:40:47 GMT 1
Paxman nearly became the Kensington and Chelsea conservative parliamentary candidate last week. It is clear where his allegiance lay. It was a character assassination pure and simple by Paxman and Burley. Why does Miliband get questions asked about his brother (4 years now get over it!), his presentation and is treated with genuine contempt while Cameron gets asked about shredded wheat? Miliband did well while all factors went against him and if he does win the election he'll have had a harder ride than any PM into number 10. What risible nonsense. His main fault was over-compensating for his Tory leanings by giving Cameron an awkward time asking obtuse questions that hid the true picture of his triumphs over the past five years. Although was gentler to Miliband, he ended up roasting him too, but that was more through shredding the glaring holes his nonsensical policies and limited ability, which can be exposed through even the most docile questioning. What risible nonsense, to coin a phrase.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 27, 2015 17:54:07 GMT 1
I have no time for Farage's policies, but he deserves credit for his comment on the Today programme a couple of weeks ago to the effect that the personal attacks on Milliband's appearance and the way he speaks are disgraceful and have no place in mature political debate.
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Post by stfc1969 on Mar 27, 2015 20:34:19 GMT 1
Seriously?! Watch it again, especially when asked about standing up and being a strong leader against Putin. Watch his answer and body language. Then he talked about labours previous failing re Banking regulations. Who was in charge of that at the time......Ed Balls. In respect of comments about Paxman giving him a harder time, that's nonsense! Miliband set the tone from the start as he looked as if he had worked himself up and he was quite agressive from the off and it back fired for him. In respect of him being questioned on personality, for me that's valid. Easy job in opposition, slating Govt policy at every turn, but he has to demonstrate he can lead this country home and abroad and have the metal to do the job. The myth about banking regulations. At the time the Tories wanted even less stringent regulations than Alistair Darling who was in charge. What ever you say chief ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 20:46:42 GMT 1
To be fair to Paxman he opened with pretty forthright questions about food banks, zero hour contracts, broken political promises and jobs for the old boys.
Not seen Cameron challenged so proactively in an interview in years.
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Post by shrewed46 on Mar 27, 2015 20:53:12 GMT 1
To be fair to Paxman he opened with pretty forthright questions about food banks, zero hour contracts, broken political promises and jobs for the old boys. Not seen Cameron challenged so proactively in an interview in years. Did Cameron actually answer the question regarding Coulson. Of course not!!!!
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Post by heavyglow on Mar 27, 2015 22:51:57 GMT 1
What risible nonsense. His main fault was over-compensating for his Tory leanings by giving Cameron an awkward time asking obtuse questions that hid the true picture of his triumphs over the past five years. Although was gentler to Miliband, he ended up roasting him too, but that was more through shredding the glaring holes his nonsensical policies and limited ability, which can be exposed through even the most docile questioning. What risible nonsense, to coin a phrase. Hard to take the word of a man who spends his time glowering over the Mary Rose dragging "tourists" from Southampton seriously.
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