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Post by shrewinjapan on Jan 27, 2015 5:42:04 GMT 1
He really is a repulsive, loathsome man. No contrition. Full of excuses. Now seeking to twist history to make what he did justifiable or at least easier to live with. His talk of pervasive doping is probably accurate, but saying "when the whole peloton made that decision" (patent falsehood) and constantly talking about what "we" did, rather than what "I" did is clearly a calculated mechanism to assuage his guilt and avoid taking full responsibility. Sickening to see him giving that interview at home in a cavernous room surrounded by probably hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bikes too - in spite of his legal troubles he obviously still enjoys the spoils of his years of cheating. www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/30981609
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 7:44:08 GMT 1
I really wish he would just shut his mouth. Nobody wants to hear from him any more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 8:30:46 GMT 1
Vile.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 27, 2015 9:42:45 GMT 1
Played the sympathy card when he was ill and now throws it back at decent folks. Awful - just go away and shut up. No-one cares any more you are a disgrace.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2015 10:12:00 GMT 1
Pretty awful reading. Do feel for those people he went after. Has he also started to speak of himself in the 3rd person too? Kinda suggesting its someone else we're talking about. Does come across as a right git. Awful, awful person.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 27, 2015 10:36:54 GMT 1
For anyone that wants an insider view of what it was like riding & working with LA, there is no better reading than Tyler Hamiltons biography (can't offhand remember the title). I just couldn't put the book down.
Think is that if any of it wasn't true then I'm sure Tyler would either have soon have been up in court or popped off quietly.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jan 27, 2015 11:06:41 GMT 1
Pretty awful reading. Do feel for those people he went after. Has he also started to speak of himself in the 3rd person too? Kinda suggesting its someone else we're talking about. Does come across as a right git. Awful, awful penrson. The third person thing is another of his manipulative devices to distance himself from his own past behaviour. It makes him sound like he is being self-critical, but I think he is actually trying to write things off as a different person in a different era.
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Post by Slackbladder on Jan 27, 2015 11:23:16 GMT 1
I was talking about him the other day. He was the reason I got into cycling, that and the Livestrong Foundation are the only things I can give him any credit for. I still cannot believe how naive I was to be taken in by all the propoganda spouted by him and his cronies in the years following his cancer treatment. I watched a documentary last year in which he was interviewed and it was toe-curling, what a loathsome individual. I really can't believe I stood up for him for so long
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 27, 2015 11:49:26 GMT 1
I shouldn't worry. He is obviously one of the world's best con men ever. You won't be alone.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2015 11:55:41 GMT 1
Pretty awful reading. Do feel for those people he went after. Has he also started to speak of himself in the 3rd person too? Kinda suggesting its someone else we're talking about. Does come across as a right git. Awful, awful penrson. The third person thing is another of his manipulative devices to distance himself from his own past behaviour. It makes him sound like he is being self-critical, but I think he is actually trying to write things off as a different person in a different era. Indeed. Just comes across as manufactured. Which I'm sure it is. I've no doubt he's paying some PR folk a fair wedge to try and turn this all around. t**t.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jan 27, 2015 12:13:07 GMT 1
I don't know why, but at the time when he was winning everything and not under suspicion I just could never take too him. I love cycling and I've been hooked since I watched my first TDF in the mid 80's. However I went right off it during his dominance. I never even watched it, but I had no idea he was cheating. I had no desire to read his book despite being told it was a must. Now I despise the guy even more. I won't watch any interviews, documentries anything. Just like I haven't read the above the BBC article. I simply do not acknowledge his existance. I've no time for Tyler Hamilton either, he's just as bad in my eyes.
Book wise.... "Seven Deadly Sins"(My Pursuit of Lance Armstrong) by David Walsh is a cracking read!
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Post by sussexshrew on Jan 27, 2015 12:43:39 GMT 1
Oh come on... credit where credit's due. The man has won the Tour de France 7 times... while on drugs! When I'm on drugs I can't even find my bike.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 27, 2015 20:12:18 GMT 1
I think people may have been able to sympathise with the doping, almost everyone was at it, but it's his bullying and intimidation of anyone who questioned or opposed him that sticks in the craw.
Thing is, some of what he says is right. Why are riders like Riis and Virenque allowed to keep their titles? And don't get me started on Vinokourov, not only an unrepentant cheat but disgracefully the current Olympic road champion and DS of Astana. That's the team that had 3 riders caught last season but also has the Tour de France winner - how genuine is that win?
It's also unjust that cycling gets all the doping stigma, I'm sure doping is rife in football, rugby, tennis and swimming to name a few.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 27, 2015 21:30:05 GMT 1
It's also unjust that cycling gets all the doping stigma, I'm sure doping is rife in football, rugby, tennis and swimming to name a few. The difference is that cycling brings its drugs problem out into the open - many other sports try very hard to keep the lid on it. I would be very surprised if football at the top level is clean, certainly enough corruption goes on, so drug cheating isn't so far removed from that.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 27, 2015 21:32:03 GMT 1
I've no time for Tyler Hamilton either, he's just as bad in my eyes. Honestly - read the book. The revelations from Hamilton about LA are just eye popping. Don't buy it if you don't want to send your money that way, but DO read it.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jan 28, 2015 10:02:01 GMT 1
Is he remorseful like Miller or just annoyed got caught and was never in Armstrong's league
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 28, 2015 10:07:22 GMT 1
Is he remorseful like Miller or just annoyed got caught and was never in Armstrong's league It's a complete hands up about the situation, an apology about getting caught up, how easy it is to keep it under cover, and what a completely different world these guys live in and so believe that it's ok to do it "because everyone else is". Completely remorseful.
I don't read many book a second time but this would be one on that list.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jan 28, 2015 12:57:06 GMT 1
Fair enough! David Millers book was a cracking read! I might give it a go at some point then
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 23:42:11 GMT 1
Armstrong wants to compete again, apparently.
Stick him in the tour again, give the f****r a unicycle , lock up the drugs cabinet, win it now lance.
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