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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 13:56:26 GMT 1
Courts get things wrong a ovcadionally, lawyers twist things as do the media. In my eyes hes guilty but served his time and wants to clear his name. Everyone makes mistakes its not as if hes a serial violent rapist just yet. Lesson learnt we hope. Just a little bit of a Rapist then. ''Learned his lesson'' he still cannot see what he did was wrong even after being convicted and sentenced. When will it sink in? After being prevented from playing Football due to his own actions?
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2014 14:18:06 GMT 1
Rape isn't acceptable on any level I can however see why Ched Evans thinks he is not guilty and been hard done by. I do not support him in anyway shape or form. As football supporters we impact on the thought processes of footballers and how they see life. We idolise them, chant their names, make them think they are special. We pay stupid money for tickets so Clubs play them even sillier amounts of money. They are treated like Gods and the word "no" hardly ever is said to them and even when it is it can mean yes. Women throw themselves at them, always think Peter Crouch had this right when answering the question "What would you be if you hadnt been a footballer?" his answer was "a virgin". So we have the case of two men having sex with the same women within ten minutes. The first one gets found guilty, the second convicted. Can totally see why he feels hard done by. I am sure it would have been easier for him to understand if they had both been found guilty. Consent is a really difficult issue, which is why prosecuting rape is so difficult. If you regularly have sex with different women who all easily consent because you are famous, the consent could be done by not saying no, then you are in this position. I can understand why he is saying what he is. Having said all this the only person I feel sorry for in this case is the victim. His release which was going to happen at some point was always going to be hard because of the publicity it was always going to attract. I hope she is getting the correct support at the moment. The sooner this becomes yesterdays news the better for the victim who is the person we should worry about. The law convicted him. You think that being Footballers gives them more right's to rape? She was picked up in a Kebab House she agreed to sex with Macdonald not Evans. I hope you don't have a misses as Id hate to think what would happen if she at any point said no. shame being unable to read and comprehend isn't an offence!!!! 1) Where do I say I support Evans? 2) Where do I say rape is acceptable in any format? 3) Where do I say he is not a rapist?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 14:31:53 GMT 1
The law convicted him. You think that being Footballers gives them more right's to rape? She was picked up in a Kebab House she agreed to sex with Macdonald not Evans. I hope you don't have a misses as Id hate to think what would happen if she at any point said no. shame being unable to read and comprehend isn't an offence!!!! 1) Where do I say I support Evans? 2) Where do I say rape is acceptable in any format? 3) Where do I say he is not a rapist? You do not get it do you he is a rapist he shouldn't play Football again. You are defending his actions by trying to explain why it may not have been such a bad thing what he committed. HE raped her he was convicted he doesn't see what he did was wrong you agree with him your defending him. Your excusing him because he is a Footballer. As football supporters we impact on the thought processes of footballers and how they see life. We idolise them, chant their names, make them think they are special. We pay stupid money for tickets so Clubs play them even sillier amounts of money. They are treated like Gods and the word "no" hardly ever is said to them and even when it is it can mean yes. Women throw themselves at them, always think Peter Crouch had this right when answering the question "What would you be if you hadnt been a footballer?" his answer was "a virgin". What??? I support Football so I have condoned them to Rape someone. Peter Crouch was joking a So we have the case of two men having sex with the same women within ten minutes. The first one gets found guilty, the second convicted. Can totally see why he feels hard done by. I am sure it would have been easier for him to understand if they had both been found guilty. There you go you cannot see where he was in the wrong. You totally understand why he thinks his actions were acceptable.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 18, 2014 15:06:40 GMT 1
If his conviction is quashed on appeal would you still think he was a rapist?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 16:08:31 GMT 1
Has it? No. He is a Rapist. Vile scum Rapist an unrepentant Rapist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 19:14:32 GMT 1
If his conviction is quashed on appeal would you still think he was a rapist? If evidence comes forward that clears him then obviously not!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 18, 2014 20:12:57 GMT 1
If his conviction is quashed on appeal would you still think he was a rapist? If evidence comes forward that clears him then obviously not! There won't be any fresh evidence. The only evidence there is comes from the testimony of MacDonald and Evans. The girl didn't remember where she was or who she was with. The appeal will be on the basis of law and the definition of consent when linked to alcohol consumption. The sense of injustice is based on whether the definition previously laid down was used correctly in this case, which his defence believe it wasn't. Effectively he was convicted of rape not because they could prove lack of consent but because he couldn't prove he had it. That's why it's such a minefield. This case may end up defining this sort of rape in the future, which is why he wants to take it to a higher court.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 20:14:23 GMT 1
If evidence comes forward that clears him then obviously not! There won't be any fresh evidence. The only evidence there is comes from the testimony of MacDonald and Evans. The girl didn't remember where she was or who she was with. The appeal will be on the basis of law and the definition of consent when linked to alcohol consumption. The sense of injustice is based on whether the definition previously laid down was used correctly in this case, which his defence believe it wasn't. Effectively he was convicted of rape not because they could prove lack of consent but because he couldn't prove he had it. That's why it's such a minefield. This case may end up defining this sort of rape in the future, which is why he wants to take it to a higher court. So guilty it is then!
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2014 20:17:14 GMT 1
shame being unable to read and comprehend isn't an offence!!!! 1) Where do I say I support Evans? 2) Where do I say rape is acceptable in any format? 3) Where do I say he is not a rapist? You do not get it do you he is a rapist he shouldn't play Football again. You are defending his actions by trying to explain why it may not have been such a bad thing what he committed. HE raped her he was convicted he doesn't see what he did was wrong you agree with him your defending him. Your excusing him because he is a Footballer. As football supporters we impact on the thought processes of footballers and how they see life. We idolise them, chant their names, make them think they are special. We pay stupid money for tickets so Clubs play them even sillier amounts of money. They are treated like Gods and the word "no" hardly ever is said to them and even when it is it can mean yes. Women throw themselves at them, always think Peter Crouch had this right when answering the question "What would you be if you hadnt been a footballer?" his answer was "a virgin". What??? I support Football so I have condoned them to Rape someone. Peter Crouch was joking a So we have the case of two men having sex with the same women within ten minutes. The first one gets found guilty, the second convicted. Can totally see why he feels hard done by. I am sure it would have been easier for him to understand if they had both been found guilty. There you go you cannot see where he was in the wrong. You totally understand why he thinks his actions were acceptable. br] Let's try this one question at a time see if that is simple enough for you Where do I say rape is acceptable in any format?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 18, 2014 20:52:56 GMT 1
Guilty, unpleasant, and in with a slim chance of being un-guilty!
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