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Post by unclebob on Oct 17, 2014 14:44:25 GMT 1
Of all the things that I have read on B&A I think this is the most shocking and most disgusting. You are openly supporting rape. Wow! I stated on a different thread, which was also to do with Ched Evans that football is not the same as different professions. It is an entertainment profession based on technical skill. No exams are sat, no qualifications are needed (obviously they have to maintain education standards in case career ends suddenly) and therefore it is not like a typical job that requires NVQs, GCSEs, a degree etc. The man has served the time given to him, although not the entire length, that is not his fault. The system have failed to enforce that he stays for the entire time so you cannot be angry at him for leaving when he is told he can go. Rape is an extremely touchy subject which is hugely misunderstood. For eggyshrew to support an act that is physically and psychologically damaging is truly disgraceful, whoever the person this wish is aimed at! I think prisoners should be allowed to re-settle into their community depending on the severity of the crime. If a rapist is to go back to their home town where they committed the crime, the victim will be unsafe and the psychological trauma would be unfair. The same goes for a murderer. It is really crime dependent. How am i supporting Rape Windsor? your not reading it correctly at all Windsor? please read again and send me my sorry after. After all your know accusing me of supporting a horrible crime. Your last sentence looks like approval of rape to me. "Give them to the Ass bandits at layhill for the other 2 an 1/2 years let them get raped" what is this comment if it isn't an approval of the convicted getting raped?
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Post by venceremos on Oct 17, 2014 14:49:17 GMT 1
Agreed unclebobbi, rape is rape. Don't understand why male rape is still widely accepted as a topic for jokes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 14:53:28 GMT 1
Though I disagree with eggs comment and what he's advocating, I think it's also fair to say that he isn't intending to support rape with his comments.
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Post by unclebob on Oct 17, 2014 15:02:47 GMT 1
Sick of hearing this same argument churned out by non-football people and Loose Women that just because someone earns a lot of money doing what they do, they should be burdened by guilt for the rest of their lives and denied the right to rehabilitate because society unfairly pins them down as `role models`. Ched Evans earns a lot of money because he is good at what he does in a very lucrative industry. Dont hate the player, hate the game and all that. Given the nature of the crime, there is unlikely to be anyone within a football club that Evans would pose an immediate threat to. I could understand reservations if he was reapplying for a job working in an all girls grammar school for example, but there was no link between what he did for a job and the crime he committed so I don't see why he should be denied continuing to make a living. Ben Flower will return to rugby league in six months time with the full backing and support of his club despite showing absolutely no regard for a fellow professional on the rugby pitch and potentially endangering their life. People are falling over each other giving character witnesses saying that he `wasnt that type of person`and defending it as `a moment of madness` but I think there there's more more of a rational argument against Flower returning to his profession than there is Evans. As mentioned above, if we were talking about someone who worked a chippy we wouldn't be having this argument. Loose Women? Dont take them seriously for gods sake! Even if the guy isn't guilty he hasn't behaved particularly well has he? the whole story is very sordid, mates texting that they have a girl, other mates watching through a window, a girlfriend not given a second thought until he'd done the deed and decided to leave through the emergency exit. High spirits or predatory behaviour? Even if he is't guilty, I wouldn't want him at my club. This is what is wrong with football today, the only values are monetary ones. A footballer can bite three people in his career and still play at the highest level because of his monetary value to a club. At least if you bite someone on the pitch you get a suspension for bringing the game into disrepute, I've not seen the F.A. suspend Evans for this, maybe I'm wrong, there is a lot of articles out there. How long should he be suspended for bringing the game into disrepute? John Terry was suspended and he wasn't even convicted in a court. The chip shop thing is a bit daft if you ask me. with jobs in such scarce supply, I don't think a convicted rapist would be picked for a job over a non rapist. I'd have no objection to Ched Evans serving me my chips as long as he washed his hands and gave correct change.
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Post by unclebob on Oct 17, 2014 15:04:33 GMT 1
Though I disagree with eggs comment and what he's advocating, I think it's also fair to say that he isn't intending to support rape with his comments. But I cant see it meaning anything else, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?
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Post by siabod on Oct 17, 2014 15:11:04 GMT 1
What are you going to do with ex prisoners if they cannot be resettled in the community ? (re original question). There are many thousands of them, some have committed horrendous crimes, murder, terrorism, slavery, rape etc, others much lesser crimes, will there be a system to say who can be resettled and where resettlement will be depending on the crime ? If they cant be resettled what is to become of them, many have supportive families, are they to be separated from them or is it a case of resettle them but not in my area. I realise that resettle has more to it than where they live but if their chosen jobs are not an option are we happy to pay for them to live somewhere on the state ?
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Post by venceremos on Oct 17, 2014 15:30:05 GMT 1
Ben Flower will return to rugby league in six months time with the full backing and support of his club despite showing absolutely no regard for a fellow professional on the rugby pitch and potentially endangering their life. People are falling over each other giving character witnesses saying that he `wasnt that type of person`and defending it as `a moment of madness` but I think there there's more more of a rational argument against Flower returning to his profession than there is Evans. As mentioned above, if we were talking about someone who worked a chippy we wouldn't be having this argument. Have to disagree with the Flower comparison. Flower committed a dreadful offence and is being severely punished for it. The people "falling over each other" to support him included Lance Hohaia who, as the victim of Flower's punching, is surely the most significant voice to be heard. They also included Paul Wellens, the St Helens player who was first to reach Flower after the incident, Eamonn McManus, the Saints chairman, and numerous other players from clubs other than Wigan. There's no mitigation for Flower's actions, except that Hohaia did initiate the trouble and has also been banned for one game for his part in it. Rugby league's a far harder sport than football. Controlled aggression is in its fabric and occasionally control will be lost. That's an accepted risk in the sport but is punished heavily whenever it occurs. To compare that to a crime committed in everyday life is inappropriate. I'm not saying that actions on the pitch should be exempt from criminal considerations, and I'm not sure whether any police action might yet be taken in respect of Flower, but the context to Flower's actions is fundamentally different to those of Evans. Everybody in rugby league knows Flower's actions were indefensible - nobody in rugby league believes he shouldn't be allowed to return to the sport. Flower will return to action having injured a fellow professional on the pitch and suffered for it. Evans was convicted of rape, which has no professional context at all. There are many professions to which he'd be unable to return after such a crime. Football isn't one of them. That doesn't absolve clubs of some moral responsibility (nothing to do with a player as a perceived role model) and it's for Sheffield United to make their decision on this, as it will be for any other clubs in future. Equally, I see no reason to object to anyone airing their views on such a sensitive matter of public interest. Why shouldn't they have an opinion and express it, just as we are on here? Evans' case is particularly troublesome though if, as the news is reporting, he appeals his conviction. Until and unless he does that successfully, he's a convicted rapist who's served his sentence. Of course he's entitled to make a living - it's for potential employers, influenced by public opinion, to decide whether that should be in football or elsewhere.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 17, 2014 15:38:40 GMT 1
What are you going to do with ex prisoners if they cannot be resettled in the community ? (re original question). There are many thousands of them, some have committed horrendous crimes, murder, terrorism, slavery, rape etc, others much lesser crimes, will there be a system to say who can be resettled and where resettlement will be depending on the crime ? If they cant be resettled what is to become of them, many have supportive families, are they to be separated from them or is it a case of resettle them but not in my area. I realise that resettle has more to it than where they live but if their chosen jobs are not an option are we happy to pay for them to live somewhere on the state ? I agree with the general tone of what you're saying. In the specific context of Evans' case, calimero made the excellent point yesterday that a convicted footballer doesn't have to make his future living playing football. He could perfectly well be rehabilitated doing something else and the financial loss is just something he'd have to come to terms with. In many professions, someone in Evans' position would never be allowed back in. I'm not saying football should be like that, just that, in the unlikely event that no club would sign him, it wouldn't be a unique case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 15:48:15 GMT 1
Ben Flower will return to rugby league in six months time with the full backing and support of his club despite showing absolutely no regard for a fellow professional on the rugby pitch and potentially endangering their life. People are falling over each other giving character witnesses saying that he `wasnt that type of person`and defending it as `a moment of madness` but I think there there's more more of a rational argument against Flower returning to his profession than there is Evans. As mentioned above, if we were talking about someone who worked a chippy we wouldn't be having this argument. Have to disagree with the Flower comparison. Flower committed a dreadful offence and is being severely punished for it. The people "falling over each other" to support him included Lance Hohaia who, as the victim of Flower's punching, is surely the most significant voice to be heard. They also included Paul Wellens, the St Helens player who was first to reach Flower after the incident, Eamonn McManus, the Saints chairman, and numerous other players from clubs other than Wigan. There's no mitigation for Flower's actions, except that Hohaia did initiate the trouble and has also been banned for one game for his part in it. Rugby league's a far harder sport than football. Controlled aggression is in its fabric and occasionally control will be lost. That's an accepted risk in the sport but is punished heavily whenever it occurs. To compare that to a crime committed in everyday life is inappropriate. I'm not saying that actions on the pitch should be exempt from criminal considerations, and I'm not sure whether any police action might yet be taken in respect of Flower, but the context to Flower's actions is fundamentally different to those of Evans. Everybody in rugby league knows Flower's actions were indefensible - nobody in rugby league believes he shouldn't be allowed to return to the sport. Flower will return to action having injured a fellow professional on the pitch and suffered for it. Evans was convicted of rape, which has no professional context at all. There are many professions to which he'd be unable to return after such a crime. Football isn't one of them. That doesn't absolve clubs of some moral responsibility (nothing to do with a player as a perceived role model) and it's for Sheffield United to make their decision on this, as it will be for any other clubs in future. Equally, I see no reason to object to anyone airing their views on such a sensitive matter of public interest. Why shouldn't they have an opinion and express it, just as we are on here? Evans' case is particularly troublesome though if, as the news is reporting, he appeals his conviction. Until and unless he does that successfully, he's a convicted rapist who's served his sentence. Of course he's entitled to make a living - it's for potential employers, influenced by public opinion, to decide whether that should be in football or elsewhere. IF one was to make a comparison then the return of Lee Hughes to league football a few years ago after his custodial sentence drew a similar if perhaps less of a wider outcry from the general public at the time.
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Post by atcham jack on Oct 17, 2014 16:09:22 GMT 1
The ex Plymouth GK killed 3 people through dangerous driving, did his time now captain of argyle. not Rape I grant you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 17:09:43 GMT 1
Though I disagree with eggs comment and what he's advocating, I think it's also fair to say that he isn't intending to support rape with his comments. But I cant see it meaning anything else, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Indeed, but there have been plenty of threads and plenty of posts on here in the past by responcible and respected posters calling for state sanctioned murder against paedophiles and others. So an eye for an eye is a fairly popular view on here. But even so, I don't believe the comment was a serious suggestion (though I could be wrong). Seemed to me more of a "string em up" kind of comment, when not really advocating hanging, more a case of expressing your anger and exasperation at the situation. As I say, I could be wrong, but either way his type of view has been widely supported on here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 17:57:50 GMT 1
Sick of hearing this same argument churned out by non-football people and Loose Women that just because someone earns a lot of money doing what they do, they should be burdened by guilt for the rest of their lives and denied the right to rehabilitate because society unfairly pins them down as `role models`. Ched Evans earns a lot of money because he is good at what he does in a very lucrative industry. Dont hate the player, hate the game and all that. Given the nature of the crime, there is unlikely to be anyone within a football club that Evans would pose an immediate threat to. I could understand reservations if he was reapplying for a job working in an all girls grammar school for example, but there was no link between what he did for a job and the crime he committed so I don't see why he should be denied continuing to make a living. Ben Flower will return to rugby league in six months time with the full backing and support of his club despite showing absolutely no regard for a fellow professional on the rugby pitch and potentially endangering their life. People are falling over each other giving character witnesses saying that he `wasnt that type of person`and defending it as `a moment of madness` but I think there there's more more of a rational argument against Flower returning to his profession than there is Evans. As mentioned above, if we were talking about someone who worked a chippy we wouldn't be having this argument. The chip shop thing is a bit daft if you ask me. with jobs in such scarce supply, I don't think a convicted rapist would be picked for a job over a non rapist. I'd have no objection to Ched Evans serving me my chips as long as he washed his hands and gave correct change. Would you be comfortable sending an impressionable young girl? Or have him working in a McDonald's or an outlet frequented by them? If Ched Evans puts a bet on any Football Match he'll get banned for life but not if he Rapes someone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 18:10:38 GMT 1
In other words a Footballer being abused from the terraces will likely be met with ''What did that Man do ?'' from a young boy the parent is then got to explain that he did a very bad thing yet can still do the dream job. Football needs to set an example to young boy's and show that treating a Woman in such a manner will result in severe punishment and taking the right to Play Football is sending a severe message that Rape is vile. Their are plenty Online and some here who still cannot see what was wrong in forcing yourself onto a young drunk girl and then filming it. And believe she set it up. He set out to get what he wanted and wasn't going to let anything get in his way not even an inability to consent.
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Post by unclebob on Oct 17, 2014 18:27:05 GMT 1
The chip shop thing is a bit daft if you ask me. with jobs in such scarce supply, I don't think a convicted rapist would be picked for a job over a non rapist. I'd have no objection to Ched Evans serving me my chips as long as he washed his hands and gave correct change. Would you be comfortable sending an impressionable young girl? Or have him working in a McDonald's or an outlet frequented by them? If Ched Evans puts a bet on any Football Match he'll get banned for life but not if he Rapes someone. That's the bit that you singled out? Well given the scenario and his offence, I wouldn't be uncomfortable sending a young woman to get my chips although I'd prefer to do my own bidding I doubt very much that he would jump over the counter and commit the same crime in front of those rotating chickens and other customers! Seriously though, I get what youre saying about the example set by players to kids, the football world has done nothing to show that they disapprove of what he did, although I'm sure they do. my kids are more than old enough to make their own conclusions on things like this but when they were small, footballers were not the sort of people I encouraged them to look up to. Some footballers do set a good example though and I think we need to be honest with our children about the good ones and the bad ones. This whole saga is a good cautionary tale for sons and daughters on the perils of over drinking. The girl in question didn't deserve what happened but we live in a world where predators will take advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 18:50:11 GMT 1
The FA need to set a ''Code of Conduct'' and have punishments that all Club's need to adhere to. The NFL has punishment and bans Players for crimes whether they had anything to do with playing the game or not, they are the role models kid's look up to and should be setting examples of what is acceptable behavior. Yet I doubt Ched Evans would have got out in time to save his career had he been convicted there but that's another topic. Sheff United see the opportunity for promotion ahead of what many fans think is the right thing to do. If they refuse to resign him(he isn't an employee of theirs so they haven't any obligation towards him) that can send a message out and show that results do not matter more than. He would do himself a favour by showing remorse and admitting his guilt yet the arrogance of the Man is what sticks in peoples throat. And Senior Club Players often have roles among the Club including Community Work, Coaching and acting as mentors for youngsters. I wouldn't want him being one for my lad.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 17, 2014 19:44:00 GMT 1
If he believes he is the victim of a miscarriage of justice then he's not going to admit it is he.
It's a very technical area in law regarding consent under the influence of alcohol.
Whoever said it's a sordid tale certainly had it spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 21:14:51 GMT 1
He's not going to admit it because hes an arrogant odious barsteward. He raped a girl, he forced himself on her, she was drunk , vulnerable and incapable even if she was sober it was wrong and rape. If you have sex with anyone who is not deemed capable to consent this includes them being drunk you are at risk of being done for it. If you can only pull young, easy p**sed up girls beware you can end up with a rape conviction.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 18, 2014 0:06:18 GMT 1
If you have sex with anyone who is not deemed capable to consent this includes them being drunk you are at risk of being done for it. That's his defence though isn't it? Up until this point just being drunk wasn't enough for someone to be seen as unable to consent. Or something like that. The man who pulled her originally and had sex with her ten minutes before was not deemed as having raped her even though she was just as drunk. That's because she went to the hotel with him. But then she doesn't remember going to the hotel with him, or having sex with him either. So she was seemed capable in one situation, but ten minutes later not in another. That's why it's all about definitions of articles in law. Sex without consent is always rape and always violence against the person. The question is when does drunkenness play a part. The fact both footballers got treated differently is part of the confusion. She can't possibly have got more drunk in that ten minutes. It's a murky situation, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 1:00:07 GMT 1
whether she excepted Macdonalds offer of sex does not give Ched Evans the right to do so. Ched Evans
Ched Evans said he could have had any woman he wanted. “Footballers are rich, they have money,” he told police. “That’s what girls like.” And yet wealth and prestige didn’t get him laid in Rhyl that night. Rather Evans relied upon his friend Clayton McDonald to procure a stumbling 19-year-old lone drunk in a kebab shop. McDonald took the girl to a hotel and was already having sex Evans joined in. It was enough to convict him. And at what level of rape do you think should stop someone being a Footballer and do you think Rape is acceptable? Whatever happened he raped someone one of the most disrespectful and heinous crimes there is which in my mind is not treated as seriously as it should. The mans arrogance should see him serve a full sentence and repeat it if the appeal fails. When should Club's set an example and show when a Players actions are unacceptable and suffer the full consequences?
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Post by eggyshrew on Oct 18, 2014 1:00:12 GMT 1
Though I disagree with eggs comment and what he's advocating, I think it's also fair to say that he isn't intending to support rape with his comments. Thank you chap.
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Post by eggyshrew on Oct 18, 2014 1:15:58 GMT 1
Sorry for any offence but i would like nothing more than to see scum like him squirm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 1:22:25 GMT 1
Lets hope Sheffield United are the most vociferous, South Yorkshire needs something to show it in a better light. How many high profile Sex Cases is going to be linked with? A chance for it to show they see rape as unacceptable.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 18, 2014 9:33:02 GMT 1
whether she excepted Macdonalds offer of sex does not give Ched Evans the right to do so. Ched Evans Ched Evans said he could have had any woman he wanted. “Footballers are rich, they have money,” he told police. “That’s what girls like.” And yet wealth and prestige didn’t get him laid in Rhyl that night. Rather Evans relied upon his friend Clayton McDonald to procure a stumbling 19-year-old lone drunk in a kebab shop. McDonald took the girl to a hotel and was already having sex Evans joined in. It was enough to convict him. And at what level of rape do you think should stop someone being a Footballer and do you think Rape is acceptable? Whatever happened he raped someone one of the most disrespectful and heinous crimes there is which in my mind is not treated as seriously as it should. The mans arrogance should see him serve a full sentence and repeat it if the appeal fails. When should Club's set an example and show when a Players actions are unacceptable and suffer the full consequences? Rape isn't acceptable on any level I can however see why Ched Evans thinks he is not guilty and been hard done by. I do not support him in anyway shape or form. As football supporters we impact on the thought processes of footballers and how they see life. We idolise them, chant their names, make them think they are special. We pay stupid money for tickets so Clubs play them even sillier amounts of money. They are treated like Gods and the word "no" hardly ever is said to them and even when it is it can mean yes. Women throw themselves at them, always think Peter Crouch had this right when answering the question "What would you be if you hadnt been a footballer?" his answer was "a virgin". So we have the case of two men having sex with the same women within ten minutes. The first one gets found guilty, the second convicted. Can totally see why he feels hard done by. I am sure it would have been easier for him to understand if they had both been found guilty. Consent is a really difficult issue, which is why prosecuting rape is so difficult. If you regularly have sex with different women who all easily consent because you are famous, the consent could be done by not saying no, then you are in this position. I can understand why he is saying what he is. Having said all this the only person I feel sorry for in this case is the victim. His release which was going to happen at some point was always going to be hard because of the publicity it was always going to attract. I hope she is getting the correct support at the moment. The sooner this becomes yesterdays news the better for the victim who is the person we should worry about.
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Oct 18, 2014 12:26:40 GMT 1
If he did rape her and thats maybe questionable if you read the situation that occurred hence why hes adament on clearing his name. There was no physical evidence of violence involved. Lets also not forget this girl had just also had sex with another footballer minutes before and has also possibly made quite a bit of money out of all this. Ok the guy has to prove his innocence in all this, but his sexual urge got the better of him and certainly got him in trouble. Rape or not im still not so sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 12:33:26 GMT 1
If he did rape her and thats maybe questionable if you read the situation that occurred hence why hes adament on clearing his name. There was no physical evidence of violence involved. Lets also not forget this girl had just also had sex with another footballer minutes before and has also possibly made quite a bit of money out of all this. Ok the guy has to prove his innocence in all this, but his sexual urge got the better of him and certainly got him in trouble. Rape or not im still not so sure. Oh that's OK then YOU don't think She was raped so he's fine then. If you go to a Room to have Sex and a guy comes from some where and forces you to have Sex as long as you didn't get hit by him he didn't rape you as you went for sex.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 12:36:57 GMT 1
whether she excepted Macdonalds offer of sex does not give Ched Evans the right to do so. Ched Evans Ched Evans said he could have had any woman he wanted. “Footballers are rich, they have money,” he told police. “That’s what girls like.” And yet wealth and prestige didn’t get him laid in Rhyl that night. Rather Evans relied upon his friend Clayton McDonald to procure a stumbling 19-year-old lone drunk in a kebab shop. McDonald took the girl to a hotel and was already having sex Evans joined in. It was enough to convict him. And at what level of rape do you think should stop someone being a Footballer and do you think Rape is acceptable? Whatever happened he raped someone one of the most disrespectful and heinous crimes there is which in my mind is not treated as seriously as it should. The mans arrogance should see him serve a full sentence and repeat it if the appeal fails. When should Club's set an example and show when a Players actions are unacceptable and suffer the full consequences? Rape isn't acceptable on any level I can however see why Ched Evans thinks he is not guilty and been hard done by. I do not support him in anyway shape or form. As football supporters we impact on the thought processes of footballers and how they see life. We idolise them, chant their names, make them think they are special. We pay stupid money for tickets so Clubs play them even sillier amounts of money. They are treated like Gods and the word "no" hardly ever is said to them and even when it is it can mean yes. Women throw themselves at them, always think Peter Crouch had this right when answering the question "What would you be if you hadnt been a footballer?" his answer was "a virgin". So we have the case of two men having sex with the same women within ten minutes. The first one gets found guilty, the second convicted. Can totally see why he feels hard done by. I am sure it would have been easier for him to understand if they had both been found guilty. Consent is a really difficult issue, which is why prosecuting rape is so difficult. If you regularly have sex with different women who all easily consent because you are famous, the consent could be done by not saying no, then you are in this position. I can understand why he is saying what he is. Having said all this the only person I feel sorry for in this case is the victim. His release which was going to happen at some point was always going to be hard because of the publicity it was always going to attract. I hope she is getting the correct support at the moment. The sooner this becomes yesterdays news the better for the victim who is the person we should worry about. The law convicted him. You think that being Footballers gives them more right's to rape? She was picked up in a Kebab House she agreed to sex with Macdonald not Evans. I hope you don't have a misses as Id hate to think what would happen if she at any point said no.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 12:37:03 GMT 1
If he did rape her and thats maybe questionable if you read the situation that occurred hence why hes adament on clearing his name. There was no physical evidence of violence involved. Lets also not forget this girl had just also had sex with another footballer minutes before and has also possibly made quite a bit of money out of all this. Ok the guy has to prove his innocence in all this, but his sexual urge got the better of him and certainly got him in trouble. Rape or not im still not so sure. He was found guilty of rape was he not?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 13:28:06 GMT 1
If he did rape her and thats maybe questionable if you read the situation that occurred hence why hes adament on clearing his name. There was no physical evidence of violence involved. Lets also not forget this girl had just also had sex with another footballer minutes before and has also possibly made quite a bit of money out of all this. Ok the guy has to prove his innocence in all this, but his sexual urge got the better of him and certainly got him in trouble. Rape or not im still not so sure. Talk about defending the indefensible. A Jury convicted him of rape based on the evidence presented, so why was their decision therefore questionable and more so do you have any feelings for the victim in this case?
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Oct 18, 2014 13:28:54 GMT 1
Yes he was found guilty, but hes adament hes innocent and if he gets his name cleared what will people think of him then? They will still call him a rapist and scum of the earth. The lad can't win if he clears his name or not. Is his crime worse than Lee Hughes or McCormacks? They were still allowed to play football after.
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Oct 18, 2014 13:35:59 GMT 1
Courts get things wrong a ovcadionally, lawyers twist things as do the media. In my eyes hes guilty but served his time and wants to clear his name. Everyone makes mistakes its not as if hes a serial violent rapist just yet. Lesson learnt we hope.
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