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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:46:16 GMT 1
Not good today. Passing awful at times.
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Post by TheFoz on Sept 20, 2014 18:54:54 GMT 1
Woods and Weso are too defensive as a partnership.
Both very good players but the balance isn't right.
Wesolowski will do all the dirty work but you need an attacking threat next to him e.g Lawrence/Wildig (even Clark)
Let's have a look at Weso and Lawrence next game cos they both could easily be playing at a much higher level!
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Post by chameleon on Sept 20, 2014 19:05:27 GMT 1
Passing was poor at times today, but the movement of our strikers and wingers didn't help matters.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Sept 20, 2014 19:07:42 GMT 1
But he did at least have a few good shots at goal from distance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 19:08:31 GMT 1
Woods and Weso are too defensive as a partnership. ) Let's have a look at Weso and Lawrence next game cos they both could easily be playing at a much higher level! Agree with those comments
Woods was poor today plus a few other players.
I think Woods also had a poor game at Stevenage and I did think he was mediocre to average v Carlisle. Time for a rest and bring Lawrence back in and what has happened to Wildig, has he been frozen out?
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Post by onthepitch on Sept 20, 2014 19:08:31 GMT 1
I could pick half a dozen players out before I'd question Woods!
What did Vernon achieve today?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 19:10:57 GMT 1
I could pick half a dozen players out before I'd question Woods! What did Vernon achieve today? Agreed. the Weso/Woods partnership is fine IMO, neither were at their best today but as you say, that goes for over half the team.
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Post by onthepitch on Sept 20, 2014 19:21:23 GMT 1
I could pick half a dozen players out before I'd question Woods! What did Vernon achieve today? Agreed. the Weso/Woods partnership is fine IMO, neither were at their best today but as you say, that goes for over half the team. I wouldn't say the partnership is fine exactly, but they did try to get forward more today than on Tuesday and Ryan hit two shots that went pretty close. I just can't see why Woods is getting stick for today. He was one of the few who seemed to have any urgency.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 19:24:32 GMT 1
I could pick half a dozen players out before I'd question Woods! What did Vernon achieve today? I don't disagree for one minute, but at least Vernon was subbed for his less than useful efforts.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 20, 2014 20:32:48 GMT 1
Someone on the radio made Woods MoTM. That sort of favouritism does him no favours. He's a terrific player but had a poor game today.
Never mind the "needs a rest" euphemism, the midfield needs freshening up (so someone needs dropping). Lawrence to start and Wildig (if fit) back in the squad please.
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Post by eggyshrew on Sept 20, 2014 20:58:14 GMT 1
Woods and Weso are too defensive as a partnership. Both very good players but the balance isn't right. Wesolowski will do all the dirty work but you need an attacking threat next to him e.g Lawrence/Wildig (even Clark) Let's have a look at Weso and Lawrence next game cos they both could easily be playing at a much higher level! Totally agree Foz been saying this for weeks its all about Balance and its harsh on who ever is dropped as they are both good players but Weso and Wildig for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 21:01:51 GMT 1
Woods and Weso are too defensive as a partnership. Both very good players but the balance isn't right. Wesolowski will do all the dirty work but you need an attacking threat next to him e.g Lawrence/Wildig (even Clark) Let's have a look at Weso and Lawrence next game cos they both could easily be playing at a much higher level! Totally agree Foz been saying this for weeks its all about Balance and its harsh on who ever is dropped as they are both good players but Weso and Wildig for me. Of course Wildig is a totally different player to Woods so the balance will be much better
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Post by unclebob on Sept 20, 2014 21:07:14 GMT 1
Bit harsh, others were missing passes and giving the ball away without being challeneged and they are far more expereinced.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Sept 20, 2014 21:31:12 GMT 1
I could pick half a dozen players out before I'd question Woods! What did Vernon achieve today? Needless booking?
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Post by shrewsoftheworld on Sept 20, 2014 21:34:17 GMT 1
Can't believe woods is getting any stick at the moment. Overall he has really proved himself in the central midfield role this season and thought he was superb on tues night.
For me Clark is the one who may be in need of a rest as he has been slightly less effective than in the early games which is all understandable in his first full season.
All in all no major issue as we have many CM options now esp with Lawrence and Wildig in the squad.
Much more concerned with mangan and akpa akpro playing out wide and as a result not getting the best out of them and unbalancing the team.
Vernon was ineffectual today but wasn't helped by an early booking and being very isolated. He looked to have formed a great partnership with Collins v Luton, whole mangan and AA did v accy. Play either combo as the front two and the goals will come
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Post by eggyshrew on Sept 20, 2014 21:53:55 GMT 1
Totally agree Foz been saying this for weeks its all about Balance and its harsh on who ever is dropped as they are both good players but Weso and Wildig for me. Of course Wildig is a totally different player to Woods so the balance will be much better Each midfield player has different qualities that can be variant to how we want to play. What we are pointing out Paul is that Woods is sitting to deep alongside Wes and someone like Wildig could offer better balance in midfield so yes they are far different to the balance.
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 20, 2014 22:02:30 GMT 1
To be fair to Vernon, he was fed on scr@ps during his time on the pitch and a lot of this was down to our central midfielders plus Clarke and Mangan looking too lightweight and being outmuscled. We certainly need someone physically stronger in a couple of key positions and that being the case I would try Weso and Lawrence together with Vincent given a start put wide. I realise that Paul is not a fan of Wildig but he brings something different to the team and is capable of picking a defence splitting pass. How many times when we were pressing at the end did Woods hang up a cross straight into the keeper 's hands? Luckily the back four did everything they were supposed to after a shaky first ten minutes
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Post by jamo on Sept 21, 2014 14:21:30 GMT 1
Time for Woods to be given a rest and for him to reflect of his role in the team. We currently have better options sitting on the bence and in the stands so let's try some thing different
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Post by rhumor on Sept 21, 2014 14:38:27 GMT 1
Woods and Wesloski are very similar players. We need to bring Lawrence in for some creativity. I was a bit shocked when woods got player of the month tbh. Last 2 games he's looked poor. I been disappointed with the tactics as of late, MM Started off well but it's slowly going downhill I'm afraid to say. Playoffs at best this season I think hope I'm proved wrong.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Sept 21, 2014 15:34:24 GMT 1
In my opinion i thought that woods had a bad game yesterday. His passing was awful at times.
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 21, 2014 15:45:16 GMT 1
Woods wasn't good yesterday and on the whole he's been a bit 'hit and miss' up until now this season. That's just normal for all players in the lower leagues though isn't it?
He has the potential to become 'consistently good' and that's a major plus at this level. To do that, he needs to learn the role (love him when he plays the 'extra man', busy, always there to help out role), last year he played right-back and learnt b*gger all. This year he needs to play regularly, learn and progress to achieve that consistency that he is surely capable of.
To support that (and fingers crossed) Goldson seems to be achieving that level of consistency now that he has made the role his own and is playing regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 18:40:05 GMT 1
Woods and Weso are too defensive as a partnership. ) Let's have a look at Weso and Lawrence next game cos they both could easily be playing at a much higher level! Agree with those comments
Woods was poor today plus a few other players.
I think Woods also had a poor game at Stevenage and I did think he was mediocre to average v Carlisle. Time for a rest and bring Lawrence back in and what has happened to Wildig, has he been frozen out?
Surely you should be telling us the answer to this Fred, you had heard he was injured a month or so ago when he wasnt picked amongst the subs ?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 20:39:11 GMT 1
Agree with those comments
Woods was poor today plus a few other players.
I think Woods also had a poor game at Stevenage and I did think he was mediocre to average v Carlisle. Time for a rest and bring Lawrence back in and what has happened to Wildig, has he been frozen out?
Surely you should be telling us the answer to this Fred, you had heard he was injured a month or so ago when he wasnt picked amongst the subs ?! Well Wildig picked up a knock in training a few weeks back but I would have thought he might be ok now.
I think my point is that there is no mention of Wildig by Mellon and no questions asked about him by the media. His only mention was by Weslowski who stated he was one of the best players in training and has not had a minute on the pitch!
Wildig seems to be the forgotten man as far as the media are concerned,,, and maybe Mellon!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 20:59:09 GMT 1
Surely you should be telling us the answer to this Fred, you had heard he was injured a month or so ago when he wasnt picked amongst the subs ?! Well Wildig picked up a knock in training a few weeks back but I would have thought he might be ok now.
I think my point is that there is no mention of Wildig by Mellon and no questions asked about him by the media. His only mention was by Weslowski who stated he was one of the best players in training and has not had a minute on the pitch!
Wildig seems to be the forgotten man as far as the media are concerned,,, and maybe Mellon!
There doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory, it's just the football food chain, he's down the pecking order at the moment in a squad which has a lot of very decent central midfielders IMO. Even if the "Woods needs a rest" sages are right I can't really see Wildig starting ahead of Lawrence from what I saw in pre season. So he will have to wait for injuries/suspensions to get a chance. You're probably right about Mellon as he probably doesn't rate him as much as GT and some on here do, but that doesn't mean he won't play in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 21:03:41 GMT 1
I agree that Lawrence is probably ahead of Wildig. I was not suggesting a conspiracy but in the interviews done by Dunny and Bond to Mellon they never mention Wildig but have about McCallistar on several occasions!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 21:20:41 GMT 1
I agree that Lawrence is probably ahead of Wildig. I was not suggesting a conspiracy but in the interviews done by Dunny and Bond to Mellon they never mention Wildig but have about McCallistar on several occasions! Its a bit different with Macallister as he's coming back from a long lay-off. Having been back in training a few weeks now, if Mac doesn't appear soon, I expect he won't be mentioned too much either, because I would guess Radio Shropshire don't want to put the manager in a position where he has to say publicly that he doesn't think they're good enough at the moment. Maybe its the same reason for them not asking the questions we wanted to hear about Lawrence's non appearance on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:48:28 GMT 1
Wildig was one of the few positives last season and clearly good enough!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 12:35:38 GMT 1
I could pick half a dozen players out before I'd question Woods! What did Vernon achieve today? Agreed. the Weso/Woods partnership is fine IMO, neither were at their best today but as you say, that goes for over half the team. Would have to disagree there. Individually they are both very good players but they dont work as a partnership because as others have said they do not get forward. As I suggested on another thread, if you are going to play them in the middle then you need someone ahead of them supporting the strikers which worked well in the 3-5-2, previously it was Clarke but it might be time to give him a rest and start Lawrence in his preferred positon of the centre.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 13:21:46 GMT 1
Wildig was one of the few positives last season and clearly good enough! That's my point really. I said "good enough at the moment". It's not last season, we've moved on and Wildig is now competing with 5 or 6 decent central midfielders for a place, not just vying with Hall or Macallister for a place alongside Summerfield. We all wanted a bigger squad this season so we can't be too surprised if some players don't see much action, especially if we don't get many injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 13:38:13 GMT 1
Agreed. the Weso/Woods partnership is fine IMO, neither were at their best today but as you say, that goes for over half the team. Would have to disagree there. Individually they are both very good players but they dont work as a partnership because as others have said they do not get forward. As I suggested on another thread, if you are going to play them in the middle then you need someone ahead of them supporting the strikers which worked well in the 3-5-2, previously it was Clarke but it might be time to give him a rest and start Lawrence in his preferred positon of the centre. That's what many think at the moment Paul and that's fine. As Weso said during his interview in the week both of them need to get forward more and I thought there was more evidence of that on Saturday with Woods having a couple of decent shots. Weso is a proven ball winner and although it's early days in his midfield career, IMO Woods has all the attributes to become a very good play maker.
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