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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 6, 2014 19:41:31 GMT 1
I didn't go today but by the sounds of it he didnt have a very good game today but I am sure the people that went will fill you in. We all know how good he can be at (I can still see that goal away to notts county now), since his injury hit season last year though he seems to be half the player he was. He has gone from a step over king to a player that struggles to control and pass the ball.
Do other think he can reclaim the ability and potential he once had?
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 6, 2014 19:48:34 GMT 1
I certainly wouldn't play him unless necessary.
Don't trust him, seems half asleep, seems to be a liability.
Strange because as you say, before he got his injury he was a very good asset to us
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 6, 2014 20:10:48 GMT 1
I dont doubt his commitment, I am hoping it is the fact he is rusty that he is making mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 20:12:19 GMT 1
I haven't really seen him for a while live, but his lack of pace and how easy he was knocked off the ball on the Preston highlights is a worry.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 6, 2014 20:12:22 GMT 1
Was he playing at wing back?
If so, that explains it.
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 6, 2014 20:27:49 GMT 1
Yes we all remember his late equaliser at Notts and also how he went AWOL a minute later to hand them the winner on a plate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 20:29:45 GMT 1
Was he playing at wing back? If so, that explains it. There used to be a clamour on here for him to play in midfield but IMO he just does not have the stamina to do that and wing back is similar. Some perspective needed I think: He was very good against Leicester and Luton playing alongside Goldson and KP and by all accounts not so good on Tuesday and today playing in a different trio of centre halves and playing at wing back, 2 games by the way that several have not covered themselves in glory. Squad options are great but as MM might find out if results continue to dip, fans will start to question whether he knows his best side
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 20:37:12 GMT 1
Yes we all remember his late equaliser at Notts and also how he went AWOL a minute later to hand them the winner on a plate. Different memories really Mark, yes he was forward when they scored the winner but Hazell had plenty of time to prevent the run and cross. I also remember Grandison voted young player of the year in our promotion season and his influential partnership with Darren Jones before his unlucky injury which formed the basis of surviving in League 1 first time around. How do you think he played against Leicester and Luton in his preferred position?
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 6, 2014 20:48:58 GMT 1
We know you think the sun shines out of his rear end Paul. Opinions I guess. Yes he played well at Leicester but I thought he looked poor at Preston, also on his rightful position. Today he cost us the second goal by completely failing to execute a simple 5 yard pass which would have been criminal in a Sunday Leagye game. He is a professional footballer playing on a flat surface so it should not matter what his preferred position is.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 6, 2014 20:57:47 GMT 1
Grandison is strange - can do the spectacuar yet can't pass the ball 5 yards, can't read a game, slow to react, suspect first touch. Odd player!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 21:09:12 GMT 1
We know you think the sun shines out of his rear end Paul. Opinions I guess. Bit of an uncalled for comment really. I like him as a player but am well aware of his weaknesses. To turn it around I sometimes think you can see no good in him at all as I can't remember you acknowledging when he's had a good game of which he has had many in a Town shirt. I didn't go today but from the radio it seemed like there were several players who passed the ball poorly.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 6, 2014 21:10:38 GMT 1
Had an absolute shocker today - at the heart of everything that was wrong about Town today - he's simply not mobile enough to play the wing back role
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Post by TheFoz on Sept 6, 2014 21:16:14 GMT 1
His future role is at CB.
I can remember watching him in our first season League 1 and he was an absolute beast. Honestly put in a few performances where I really thought a club would come in for him and may have if he didn't get injured.
RB he's alright but he always seems to look very shattered, Gayle the better option IMO. No way is he a wing back too, you have to be extremely fit to play there.
When fully fit, he is a player that I do like watching.
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Post by mightyshrew on Sept 6, 2014 21:16:28 GMT 1
Not a wing back simple! It exposed the fact he's nothing more than a defender, he's a long term future has to be centre back! People who suggested he could be a midfielder in the making, well you only had to see him today!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 21:38:06 GMT 1
Ah, so is JG the new scape goat?
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Post by mightyshrew on Sept 6, 2014 21:41:48 GMT 1
He's not my scapegoat no. My comment is made on observation of what I saw today. However its not his fault we lost, certainly not.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 6, 2014 21:45:19 GMT 1
Ah, so is JG the new scape goat? No scape goat from me - I've held my opinion on him for a long time. Anyway, scapegoating comes when we lose 3 on the bounce
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Post by shrewswolf on Sept 6, 2014 21:50:28 GMT 1
Ah, so is JG the new scape goat? Nope, he was just hopeless today. Really poor display.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 6, 2014 21:56:01 GMT 1
No ant he isn't. We all know what he can do and would love nothing more than for him to revert back to the player he was.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 6, 2014 22:00:11 GMT 1
Play Rio in the middle of a back three in this division, and he'll be sound as a pound. I hope we're not going to put players out of position again and hang them out to dry. It's Juan game, lessons learnt by manager and players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 22:10:55 GMT 1
No ant he isn't. We all know what he can do and would love nothing more than for him to revert back to the player he was. The player he was a week or so ago you mean... And the rest of the team too
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 22:17:54 GMT 1
The root cause today of our defeat was not Grandison. The whole of the defence was s**te before Grandison was even on the field. As has been stated before. Goldson- Grandison-Knight-Percival, clean sheets in the last 2 meaningful games. Why Change? Ellis looked decidedly shaky for the first 15 minutes which permeated to the rest of the defence and could have gifted them a goal before their opener. He did improve thereafter but the rot had already set in.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 6, 2014 22:35:38 GMT 1
No ant he isn't. We all know what he can do and would love nothing more than for him to revert back to the player he was. The player he was a week or so ago you mean... And the rest of the team too No the player he was when he was our player of the season.
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Post by essofsteel on Sept 6, 2014 22:47:49 GMT 1
I don't think he's fully fit, but although he had a shocker today I think we should have played our strongest side in the last 2 games instead of changing the line up for the sake of it. We were slow out of the blocks & needed too many touches when going forward. Best team won.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Sept 6, 2014 22:56:32 GMT 1
Clutching at straws blaming Grandison for today's defeat. Didn't have the benefit of being there, but listening to the radio commentary, we were lucky not to be three nil down after 10 minutes. Grandison wasn't on the pitch then!
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Post by poolieshrew on Sept 6, 2014 23:20:51 GMT 1
Goldson culpable for the first goal & as poor as I've seen him play, seem rattled by the physicality of Wyke, Ellis poor first 15 in particular & got the sense they would of been better switching over with Connor playing the centre of 3 & Ellis playing to the right with the marking responsibility. JG with a mistake for the second & at times looked leggy however he's not a right wingback & he still had a better game than some today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 23:26:28 GMT 1
Goldson culpable for the first goal & as poor as I've seen him play, seem rattled by the physicality of Wyke, Ellis poor first 15 in particular & got the sense they would of been better switching over with Connor playing the centre of 3 & Ellis playing to the right with the marking responsibility. JG with a mistake for the second & at times looked leggy however he's not a right wingback & he still had a better game than some today. In hindsight resting key players on Tuesday didn't seem to help us then, or their performances today
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Post by block17salopian on Sept 7, 2014 7:46:17 GMT 1
Ant hit the nail on the head. Naive fans looking for the negative again. Lose game must blame someone.
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Post by Salop_Ian on Sept 7, 2014 8:47:47 GMT 1
My main concerns about yesterday relate more to the performance of the team rather than individuals. As rightly said above we could have been 3-0 down within 15 mins and effectively out of the game.
Going into the match we had a massive 'form table' advantage but this had been surrendered within five minutes. If we had kept the home side quiet for the first 20 the pressure would have mounted on them. Instead they had been given the belief that they could upset the form books.
I wonder if we have sufficient defensive cover in the squad for when we have to be more attritional in our approach.
I also wonder whether comments after the Preston defeat that the players were 'jaded' after a frenetic start to the season were counterproductive. They seem to have suggested to the players that their form was dipping, and offered them a ready made excuse for under performing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 8:55:31 GMT 1
Ant hasn't hit the nail on the head for me. This isn't a witch hunt against JG.
I think it is people discussing the fact that he hasn't looked the same player since an horrific injury.
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