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Post by bertymax on Sept 2, 2014 16:34:17 GMT 1
Exciting finish to the ODI at Edgbaston, India need 24 off the last 21 balls...oh hang on, make that 21 overs. Embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 17:12:50 GMT 1
That was as one sided as you could get!
Amazing how India, so poor in the test series can suddenly make England look so average in the shorter form of the game. Pressure back on captain Cook ahead of the world cup.
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Post by vanner on Sept 2, 2014 17:48:20 GMT 1
Pyjama cricket!
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Post by Worceshrew on Sept 3, 2014 16:35:02 GMT 1
Was unfortunate enough to be at Edgbaston yesterday, inept doesn't even come close. No idea what the answer is but we clearly have serious problems with the limited overs game. Moeen was the only positive, do have to wonder why he was dropped in the first place. Personally I'd forget about Cooky and Bell, give Taylor, Vince and Roy their chance, can't see how they can be any worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 20:21:41 GMT 1
Taylor, Vince and Roy should deffo be in and I feel Root should open the batting. Morgan to captain........KP......I didn't want him, but I am starting to come around to the thinking that he needs to come back.
With Cook and Bell in that team we are so Sluggish starting innings.
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Post by lenny on Sept 3, 2014 21:07:56 GMT 1
Pietersen isn't the answer imo, he's hardly shown any reason to recall him since he's been exiled.
I agree with the general consensus - Cook and Bell to focus on tests, Morgan to captain and Roy and Vince to come in. Believe both of them open in limited overs stuff, so either could be a partner for Hales (who, contrary to regularly regurgitated myths, isn't a particularly quick scorer - certainly at first) with more dynamism than presently offered by Cook. Equally, Cook hasn't exactly done terribly and both his average and strike rate in ODIs are reasonable enough and the insatiable desire for change after a bad result (or 10) is as much of the reason for calls to drop him. The only reason I'd see him replaced is to focus on his test batting - he's still without a century for ages and the rest will do him good instead of being knackered and out of form for when the Ashes come around next summer.
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Post by vanner on Sept 3, 2014 21:46:10 GMT 1
My First 11:
Cook (c) - Hales Stokes Root Morgan Ali Buttler Woakes Broad Anderson Finn
Plus 7 squad players for World Cup: Taylor Roy Rashid Kieswetter Wright Jordan Gurney
Don't think I've forgotten anyone obvious. Bell and Treadwell out on purpose.
If his state of mind remains good I'd bring back Trott in an instant. Easily the most underrated ODI batsmen in England!
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Post by bertymax on Sept 3, 2014 22:57:41 GMT 1
I totally agree with the comments Alec Stewart recently made in that we are playing a regressive defensive style of cricket in ODI's more akin to test cricket. For me, Cook needs to step down and focus on the 5 day game but he's too belligerent to do that and probably feels he can ride out this criticism of his ODI form and captaincy like he has partially done in the longer form of the game.
I think if Eoin Morgan can find a bit of form and Chris Jordan can sort his bowling out we have the core of a decent team in there although the bowling department concerns me more than the batting at the present to be honest, I couldn't believe we played 3 genuine number elevens in Anderson, Finn and the totally hopeless Harry Gurney at Edgbaston and although Treadwell didn't play, we are never going to win the World Cup if our no 1 spinner can't even get into his county team.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 3, 2014 23:00:46 GMT 1
Thought we used to have a one day team that was only loosely based on the test squad?
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Post by bertymax on Sept 3, 2014 23:38:11 GMT 1
Thought we used to have a one day team that was only loosely based on the test squad? There seems to be two schools of thought about this, Either that good cricketers in the test arena should (by nature of being good cricketers) also be good in other formats, i.e ODI's and T20, the other than ODI and T20, as a more specialist strain of the game requires more dynamic set of skills. I think we've gone down both paths in the past and the pundits seem to flit between the two depending on how well we are doing in either format of the game.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 3, 2014 23:45:40 GMT 1
I agree with Bertymax - it's the bowling that really concerns me in the long term (admittedly the batting in this series has been abysmal). We don't seem to have anybody capable of bowling with control and keeping the runs down in the middle overs, we don't seem to have an ODI bowler who can take wickets (Broad and Anderson are brilliant test cricket strike bowlers but look a shadow of themselves in ODI) and we don't have a death bowler (Bres and Dirtbag were a disaster and I don't see any we've tried since doing the trick). I know it's not likely that we are going to suddenly unearth a Malinga, but is there anybody that might do better for us in that respect?
As for the batting, Cook and Bell should be left out to focus on test cricket, it's just not their game I'm afraid. I'm one for picking on form, and Morgan must surely be in danger of being dropped, such is the length of his run of bad form. If he finds his form, he'd be my captain. If not then... maybe Broad when he comes back, or how about a total gamble and give it to Root? It would be a gamble, but he couldn't do any worse than we have been doing, and perhaps a younger man brought up in the T20 era of attacking cricket might bring something different to the table.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 12:19:42 GMT 1
It's looking like it will be the same old England again today, stuck in second gear.
How Morgan is in the team is anyones guess.
Be lucky to post more than 220.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 5, 2014 12:41:38 GMT 1
As usual once the spinners come on England get totally bogged down. Another pathetic score that the Indians will knock of with lots of overs to spare is on the cards
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 5, 2014 12:48:14 GMT 1
Buttler is getting a bit of a shift on.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 5, 2014 13:44:20 GMT 1
Did well at the back end of the innings. 294 not so bad on a pitch with some turn.
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Post by vanner on Sept 5, 2014 16:16:16 GMT 1
Should win from here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 20:20:03 GMT 1
It's looking like it will be the same old England again today, stuck in second gear. How Morgan is in the team is anyones guess. Be lucky to post more than 220. Shows you how little I know England post a decent total for a change and then India crumble under the pressure. Entertaining knock from Jadeja towards the end but the day belonged to Joe Root and England.
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Post by vanner on Sept 5, 2014 20:33:58 GMT 1
Vaughan gave another very passionate speech about his views on the team and I can't help but admit I totally bought into what he said.
Essentially he said replace Bopara for Cook and suddenly Ravi is your 7th bowler instead of Root and to be fair his runs aren't going to be a whole lot different to cook whilst his strike rate will be higher. He agreed Bell shouldn't come back in too.
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