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Post by El Presidente on Feb 20, 2015 21:52:45 GMT 1
Oh, while we're on the subject, there's new TV's in Currys for £2000. The price is expensive and over charged, so just grab one and run out. If you get away with it, pay no attention to any threats you receive from Currys, if they take you to court, try and blame that it wasn't clear you had to pay. But do not pay if Currys send you a demand!! The fact that you appear not to understand the difference between a criminal offence (theft) and a civil one (breaching the conditions of a private car park) destroys the credibility of your argument. This 'to pay or not to pay' is essentially about your own moral compass... If you know the rules, you accepted the 'terms' knowing you were in breach of those, yet you fail to admit guilt when caught, hints at an integrity hit. Just depends on how high ones ivory tower is...
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Post by El Presidente on Feb 20, 2015 21:57:28 GMT 1
It's actually a grey area. Theft:(1)A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly. By parking in a parking space you are entering into a contract to pay. If you don't pay, you are holding onto someone else's money/asset/property. Don't take it for granted, it can easily turn criminal, it'll just take once case to set a precedent. It really is not a grey area, for it to change from a civil case to criminal, it would need to pass through parliment, precedent is set by judges, they can not determine what is criminal or civil, they just judge on the basis of the law, so it can not be set in precedent at all, which IMHO shows how much you are talking out of ur anus. also the CPS would never entertain it as it is them that press charges for the crown. If you really wanted to be Ironside, the appropriate criminal offence would be fraud. But not only would a fraud have to be proved, you'd also need to prove criminal intent and action. Which would never happen...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 22:48:58 GMT 1
Oh, while we're on the subject, there's new TV's in Currys for £2000. The price is expensive and over charged, so just grab one and run out. If you get away with it, pay no attention to any threats you receive from Currys, if they take you to court, try and blame that it wasn't clear you had to pay. But do not pay if Currys send you a demand!! Right, I won't be walking out of Currys with a tv and I would be prepared to reimburse the car park owner for his losses - whatever extra time I had at their standard charge, plus their cost of issuing the charge - but that isn't £70. So what would a reasonable charge be for a car parking space that brings them in no revenue?? there is no loss to them as a management, as they do not charge for parking at the retail park?
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Post by Matster on Feb 20, 2015 22:54:36 GMT 1
I guess it'd be based on the average turnover or profit for the retail park divided by the amount on parking spaces and per hour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 23:00:17 GMT 1
But that is not their loss..... they have zero income and zero cost, they just make money from issuing invoices and hope fools pay, the only way a loss could even be quantified if there are no parking spaces available? has anyone seen it acyually full, even at christmas
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 20, 2015 23:03:15 GMT 1
Right, I won't be walking out of Currys with a tv and I would be prepared to reimburse the car park owner for his losses - whatever extra time I had at their standard charge, plus their cost of issuing the charge - but that isn't £70. So what would a reasonable charge be for a car parking space that brings them in no revenue?? there is no loss to them as a management, as they do not charge for parking at the retail park? A reasonable charge in that case is no charge - except for the cost of invoicing me, plus a small amount of compensation if they could prove that my being in that space kept a customer out.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Feb 21, 2015 0:00:49 GMT 1
Go and buy a twix from Sainsbury's and keep the receipt. Bona fide shopper and filmed on CCTV - no argument.
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Post by El Presidente on Feb 21, 2015 0:03:44 GMT 1
But that is not their loss..... they have zero income and zero cost, they just make money from issuing invoices and hope fools pay, the only way a loss could even be quantified if there are no parking spaces available? has anyone seen it acyually full, even at christmas Wear and tear...?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 0:06:17 GMT 1
But that is not their loss..... they have zero income and zero cost, they just make money from issuing invoices and hope fools pay, the only way a loss could even be quantified if there are no parking spaces available? has anyone seen it acyually full, even at christmas Wear and tear...? No cost to the parking management company!! they have Zero cost, Zero income..... the wear and tear is paid for by the owner of the car park.
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Post by blazey on Feb 21, 2015 1:14:38 GMT 1
I agree with Downie. What the hell is happening
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Post by El Presidente on Feb 21, 2015 9:10:18 GMT 1
No cost to the parking management company!! they have Zero cost, Zero income..... the wear and tear is paid for by the owner of the car park. Betcha this will be how it pans out in years to come - there will be some form of attempted recovery from the the property owners (usually large hedge funds)...
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Post by napoleon4th on Feb 21, 2015 10:04:21 GMT 1
If we lose the Sutton Nursery car park space next year there will be another 50 plus cars looking for somewhere to park.
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Post by Matster on Feb 21, 2015 12:10:23 GMT 1
But that is not their loss..... they have zero income and zero cost, they just make money from issuing invoices and hope fools pay, the only way a loss could even be quantified if there are no parking spaces available? has anyone seen it acyually full, even at christmas. I was thinking about the businesses based at the park not the ticketing company, they're hired to manag e parking on match days.
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