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Post by SY3 on Apr 28, 2013 12:53:01 GMT 1
I finally picked up my first one on Saturday. I parked in Sainsbury's, and in hindsight, with the amount of Pompey fans expected i should have known these josworths would be out in force.
Anyway, has anyone on here not paid these fines? what are the implications of not doing so? Also, how much is the damn fine?, it doesn;t say on the ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 12:54:24 GMT 1
Throw it in the bin mate.
You have no legal obligation to pay it and they'll get bored of sending letters eventually.
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Post by SY3 on Apr 28, 2013 13:03:01 GMT 1
Throw it in the bin mate. You have no legal obligation to pay it and they'll get bored of sending letters eventually. Haha. So is this 110% fact? if this is the case how come they exist as a company!?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2013 13:05:42 GMT 1
Throw it in the bin mate. You have no legal obligation to pay it and they'll get bored of sending letters eventually. Haha. So is this 110% fact? if this is the case how come they exist as a company!? They make money through gullible people panicking and just paying up.
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Post by SY3 on Apr 28, 2013 13:08:00 GMT 1
Ahh right thought that might be the case. As long as no heavies turn up tomorrow morning, or i receive any points or legal action then i'm not paying it! How much is the damn fine anyway?
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Post by DF on Apr 28, 2013 13:21:43 GMT 1
It's not a fine, it's a charge. What you have is an invoice, not a penalty notice. Technically though, it does say not to part there and you clearly knew this - so it's a charge for a service you did indeed take. So be careful how you ignore it - complete ignorance is the way forward, don't say or do anything.
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Post by SY3 on Apr 28, 2013 13:26:05 GMT 1
You know what DF, i didn't even see a PCN on my front windscreen! i must have dreamt this, or the wind blew it off before i arrived at my car.
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Post by mattmw on Apr 28, 2013 13:31:08 GMT 1
As others have said this is a charge not a highways enforcement issue so you won't get points. Rules on parking changed about a year ago so companies do have the ability to issue charges for private car parks, it's really down to how much the company follows up the charge if you don't pay it. Info on the site below might help decide what you want to do www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets
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Post by scooter on Apr 28, 2013 13:31:30 GMT 1
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Apr 28, 2013 13:42:43 GMT 1
We have had this debate before, the law changed in Ocober 2012 within the Freedoms Act 2012 which banned clamping. A Parking Charge Notice is a legally enforceable debt, like a utilities bill and council tax. and an Approved Operator Sceme company will pursue you. They can get your details etc through the DVLA and they will have photographic evidence taken at the time of the event to support their case,so don't think that you can get away with the "it must have blown off my windscreen scenario"because you can't.They will pursue you through the courts and issue a CCJ against you Basically they have you bang to rights and you know it.Do the sensible thing and just pay it,save yourself the stress and hassle becausee the costs will also increase into the hundreds if you don't. Sorry to be a bore,but it's the law ! ( sheer poetry )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 13:45:09 GMT 1
Throw it in the bin mate. You have no legal obligation to pay it and they'll get bored of sending letters eventually. Haha. So is this 110% fact? if this is the case how come they exist as a company!? I had one yesterday, it is 100% fact, i did not even take mine out of the wrapper, its in the bin at the petrol station. You will get letters, just ignore them. They exist due to a pay ratio of about 60% of the tickets issued. ( i uesed to own one of these companies, so please trust me)
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Apr 28, 2013 15:26:23 GMT 1
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Post by DF on Apr 28, 2013 16:04:57 GMT 1
Yet last time we had this thread I brought up the new legislation and it was rubbished...
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Post by creature on Apr 28, 2013 16:32:58 GMT 1
Had two over the last 12 months from different places, both successfully ignored
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 16:57:47 GMT 1
Used to :- does not mean I dont keep an eye on what happens with legislation
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Post by neilsalop on Apr 28, 2013 17:23:02 GMT 1
My daughter got a letter last year, but it was her brother that had borrowed her car that parked the car. She just wrote to the company stating that she was actually abroad at the time of the ''offence'' and several people had use of her car while she was away and she wasn't under any legal obligation to say who was driving at the time. They tried a couple more times and got the same answer. Must have got bored as we haven't heard a peep since then.
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Post by mattmw on Apr 28, 2013 19:57:22 GMT 1
Looking online (so may or may not be true!) the British Parking Association say that since the new legislation was introduced in October last year around 1.5 million tickets have been issued and of these around 30% remain unpaid.
Of this 30% around 5% of tickets issued resulted in a successful court action. So actually the chance of being taken to the small claims court is pretty low. The only word of caution is that most cases that go to court do find in favour of the car parking company and can result in quite high costs of a few hundred pounds if you don't win the case
Guess there is also an element of how far Sainsbury's are pressing the car parking company to take action against drivers. It wouldn't be great PR for them to have lots of fans taken to court, but they wouldn't want to send the message out that anyone can park at sainsburys with no fear of bring issued with a ticket
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 20:16:23 GMT 1
Looking online (so may or may not be true!) the British Parking Association say that since the new legislation was introduced in October last year around 1.5 million tickets have been issued and of these around 30% remain unpaid. Of this 30% around 5% of tickets issued resulted in a successful court action. So actually the chance of being taken to the small claims court is pretty low. The only word of caution is that most cases that go to court do find in favour of the car parking company and can result in quite high costs of a few hundred pounds if you don't win the case Guess there is also an element of how far Sainsbury's are pressing the car parking company to take action against drivers. It wouldn't be great PR for them to have lots of fans taken to court, but they wouldn't want to send the message out that anyone can park at sainsburys with no fear of bring issued with a ticket My bet is those that corresponded with the companies and therefore acknowledged the debt. dont bother writing back to them
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Post by Bordershrew on Apr 28, 2013 20:17:32 GMT 1
I've had 3 this season. You'll get 5 warning letters in the chain then they get bored of trying to invoice you.
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Post by mattmw on Apr 28, 2013 20:50:10 GMT 1
Looking online (so may or may not be true!) the British Parking Association say that since the new legislation was introduced in October last year around 1.5 million tickets have been issued and of these around 30% remain unpaid. Of this 30% around 5% of tickets issued resulted in a successful court action. So actually the chance of being taken to the small claims court is pretty low. The only word of caution is that most cases that go to court do find in favour of the car parking company and can result in quite high costs of a few hundred pounds if you don't win the case Guess there is also an element of how far Sainsbury's are pressing the car parking company to take action against drivers. It wouldn't be great PR for them to have lots of fans taken to court, but they wouldn't want to send the message out that anyone can park at sainsburys with no fear of bring issued with a ticket My bet is those that corresponded with the companies and therefore acknowledged the debt. dont bother writing back to them Yes it seems cases where the driver of the vehicle can be proven (as CCTV footage was used) are the ones that go to the claims court, probably as the firms know they can stand a chance of winning them. I don't think they use CCTV at sainsburys do proving the driver identity would be tough unless you admit to it in writing
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 28, 2013 21:45:16 GMT 1
Looking online (so may or may not be true!) the British Parking Association say that since the new legislation was introduced in October last year around 1.5 million tickets have been issued and of these around 30% remain unpaid. Of this 30% around 5% of tickets issued resulted in a successful court action. So actually the chance of being taken to the small claims court is pretty low. The only word of caution is that most cases that go to court do find in favour of the car parking company and can result in quite high costs of a few hundred pounds if you don't win the case Guess there is also an element of how far Sainsbury's are pressing the car parking company to take action against drivers. It wouldn't be great PR for them to have lots of fans taken to court, but they wouldn't want to send the message out that anyone can park at sainsburys with no fear of bring issued with a ticket My bet is those that corresponded with the companies and therefore acknowledged the debt. dont bother writing back to them What happened to your break Downie? Did I blink and miss it? Be a shame if so
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 29, 2013 7:47:44 GMT 1
Tell them you were in their cafe for a liesurely coffee and snack, followed by a a spot of shopping in their store, and an exasperating queue at their checkouts . You will be unable to prove.this, as you have thrown away the receipts, but can they prove that this is not the case?
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Post by SY3 on Jun 1, 2013 2:24:52 GMT 1
Just opened a letter from them, they have stated the charge has now gone up to £60!!! I never even opened the first one, so what is the initial charge? Got to say this is on the back of my mind a bit, don't know whether to just pay it. How long can you park there for though?
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 1, 2013 7:09:17 GMT 1
Surely if the charge is an invoice, as opposed to a fine, the amount due should not be variable, but should remain at the invoiced amount.
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Post by siabod on Jun 1, 2013 8:27:17 GMT 1
Surely if the charge is an invoice, as opposed to a fine, the amount due should not be variable, but should remain at the invoiced amount. Usually £x with a deduction for early settlement, if no early payment is made full amount is due as per original paperwork.
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Post by onthepitch on Jun 1, 2013 11:57:44 GMT 1
I got one after the Walsall game... A Sunday, AFTER the shops were closed!! TK Maxx was still an empty lot...
I seriously considered trying to start a campaign where Shrewsbury fans boycotted all shops on the retail park...
They must benefit from having us around every other weekend during the season...
B'stards!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 12:26:27 GMT 1
Pay it.
You parked on their property without permission, you deserve to pay up.
How would you feel if someone parked on your drive?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 12:49:37 GMT 1
Pay it. You parked on their property without permission, you deserve to pay up. How would you feel if someone parked on your drive? shut up you fool, got my £60 letter yesterday straight in the bin.
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Jun 1, 2013 13:16:30 GMT 1
Pay it. You parked on their property without permission, you deserve to pay up. How would you feel if someone parked on your drive? shut up you fool, got my £60 letter yesterday straight in the bin. Downie is spot on. hardly compares with parking on your drive does it! I parked 7 minutes over the allowed 3 hours whilst shopping on the bloody retail park. Ignored 3 letters and nowt happened. Don't correspond with company..IGNORE LETTERS,,!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 13:25:35 GMT 1
My Dad got a letter through the post from UKCPS "fining" him for unloading his car when he came to visit!
He then moved the car and parked where he was permitted to.
This was all watched by the "parking attendant" who funnily enough didn't say anything to us at the time and was a coward and sent the "fine" by post.
Safe to say it won't be getting paid.
Cowboys.
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