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Post by Ned on May 3, 2011 21:52:02 GMT 1
Disgraceful? There was something on the Sun website today that said CCFC have said, "Sian Massey was in the way". I'd agree with that. If Sian Massey was in his way, then they really, really do need a reality check! He was running at speed, and couldn't slow down. It wasn't his fault. If this was David Raven, you'd be saying the same as me.
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Post by OswestrySalopian on May 3, 2011 21:54:42 GMT 1
Shut up Ned.
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Post by elmundo on May 3, 2011 21:54:54 GMT 1
If Sian Massey was in his way, then they really, really do need a reality check! He was running at speed, and couldn't slow down. It wasn't his fault. If this was David Raven, you'd be saying the same as me. He was running at speed - yes. He couldn't slow down - possibly not. However, he changed his path deliberately into Sian Massey - the evidence is on the video!
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on May 3, 2011 21:59:45 GMT 1
Ned, how you can defend this is beyond me, as you can see from the video McNaughton changes direction to deliberately knock Sean Massey over and the fact that he didn't even apologise is even more disgusting.
Probably just taking his anger out on an innocent person after finding out that they're about to fail getting promoted yet again...
Give it a rest Ned.
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Post by poolieshrew on May 3, 2011 22:21:20 GMT 1
Ned, how you can defend this is beyond me, as you can see from the video McNaughton changes direction to deliberately knock Sean Massey over and the fact that he didn't even apologise is even more disgusting. Probably just taking his anger out on an innocent person after finding out that they're about to fail getting promoted yet again... Give it a rest Ned. Spot on, oh and didnt he miss from like 2 yards out ten mins earlier?! . Absolute joke and il be rooting for any team playing Cardiff in the playoffs.
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Post by onthetrain92 on May 3, 2011 22:45:58 GMT 1
Looks like Cardiff will be up anyway as it looks a dead cert QPR will be deducted 15 points. Norwich will be Champions.
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Post by Ned on May 3, 2011 22:49:03 GMT 1
I stand by my views.
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Post by poolieshrew on May 3, 2011 23:37:24 GMT 1
Arsene wenger, Mr Wigglesworth and now the newest member of i didnt see anything club Ned. .
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 0:58:19 GMT 1
looking at it from both angles it does look like he basically assaulted her
but on the other hand i know from experience when you are sprinting you sometimes cant stop and grab anything
if that was the case picking her up and apologising would have been the done thing
verdict, shameful coward
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 4, 2011 9:38:15 GMT 1
if it had been a male official as is normal, would the same 'disgraceful' comments be said?
in fact you could say mcnaughton wasn't discriminating!
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 11:07:35 GMT 1
if it had been a male official as is normal, would the same 'disgraceful' comments be said? in fact you could say mcnaughton wasn't discriminating! my claim to fame was i once knocked out a ref goal kick caught him on the back of the head about 10 yds outside the box scooters brother was worse, ran to the ref to complain (roy keane style) ran too fast i think as he couldnt stop and knocked the ref out i remember fanning the ref repeating the words, he slipped, a groggy ref started repeating the words, he slipped too, so i then dropped yellow card into the conversation this a couple of years after i prevented him killing a ref in a cup final i'm sure he owes me a pint or two
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Post by Ned on May 4, 2011 13:34:19 GMT 1
looking at it from both angles it does look like he basically assaulted her but on the other hand i know from experience when you are sprinting you sometimes cant stop and grab anything if that was the case picking her up and apologising would have been the done thing verdict, shameful coward Why should he apologise? He wasn't guilty, so doesn't need to apologise
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 14:57:54 GMT 1
looking at it from both angles it does look like he basically assaulted her but on the other hand i know from experience when you are sprinting you sometimes cant stop and grab anything if that was the case picking her up and apologising would have been the done thing verdict, shameful coward Why should he apologise? He wasn't guilty, so doesn't need to apologise when rooney smacked the wigan player he wasn't found guilty and never apologised either verdict upheld SHAMEFUL COWARD
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Post by Ned on May 4, 2011 15:38:00 GMT 1
Why should he apologise? He wasn't guilty, so doesn't need to apologise when rooney smacked the wigan player he wasn't found guilty and never apologised either verdict upheld SHAMEFUL COWARD Two completely different things. Rooney did it intentionally, while McNaughton's was an unfortunate accident.
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Post by abcdef on May 4, 2011 15:42:54 GMT 1
that was a blatent shoulder charge
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 16:00:26 GMT 1
when rooney smacked the wigan player he wasn't found guilty and never apologised either verdict upheld SHAMEFUL COWARD Two completely different things. Rooney did it intentionally, while McNaughton's was an unfortunate accident. as i mentioned at the time the wigan player attempted to obstruct and strike rooney but he got some of his own medicine, proof posted i'm not trying to defend rooney as it was a straight red card offence by him but there is no defence for the cardiff thug for not even apologising at least shameful, very shameful
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 4, 2011 16:07:36 GMT 1
Sorry Pilch, the Wigan player hardly attempted to "strike" Rooney.
Anyway, Rooney didn't apologise because he did it on purpose, which just confirms what most people already suspect of Rooney, but still, this isn't about Rooney
If McNaughton did it on purpose, he's an idiot, if he did it by accident but decided not to apologize, he's an idiot. Verdict: mcNaughton's an idiot, for want of a better word
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 16:29:00 GMT 1
don't forget its super slow motion his left arm swings out yes i know it was a half hearted attempt at a foul but just saying it wasn't unprovoked the rooney incident is only relevant to ed in his argument anyway we've already done it on here several times just wondering if he thinks rooney did any wrong
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Post by Ned on May 4, 2011 16:30:01 GMT 1
Two completely different things. Rooney did it intentionally, while McNaughton's was an unfortunate accident. as i mentioned at the time the wigan player attempted to obstruct and strike rooney but he got some of his own medicine, proof posted i'm not trying to defend rooney as it was a straight red card offence by him but there is no defence for the cardiff thug for not even apologising at least shameful, very shameful Thug? He over-ran a bit... she got up straight away, no issue. Referee didn't even go over, which shows all you need to know. If McNaughton did it on purpose, he's an idiot, if he did it by accident but decided not to apologize, he's an idiot. Verdict: mcNaughton's an idiot, for want of a better word How is he an idiot? Like I said before, he has nothing to apologise for. McNaughton is innocent, and as sources close to him have said - you only apologise if you've done something wrong.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 4, 2011 16:31:20 GMT 1
I can't believe anyone can argue that McCarthy attempted to 'strike' Rooney, especially given the footage on that video!
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Post by Ned on May 4, 2011 16:32:15 GMT 1
don't forget its super slow motion his left arm swings out yes i know it was a half hearted attempt at a foul but just saying it wasn't unprovoked the rooney incident is only relevant to ed in his argument anyway we've already done it on here several times just wondering if he thinks rooney did any wrong Me? Yeah, I think Rooney did do something wrong. I agree with The FA however, that no charge was neccesary - maybe a warning would have been suitable. Like I say, Rooney's was deliberate and McNaughton's wasn't.
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 16:50:06 GMT 1
I can't believe anyone can argue that McCarthy attempted to 'strike' Rooney, especially given the footage on that video! maybe its a different video you are seeing on mine his arm extends towards rooneys chest at roughly the same speed rooneys arm strikes his earhole both had intent two very different outcomes as i've said the whole point i'm making is rooney got away this and didn't apologise the cardiff player has seemingly gotten away with assaulting the lino eds argument is he doesnt need to apologise as he is not guilty yet we all know he is as guilty as rooney
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 4, 2011 16:51:17 GMT 1
If I was driving down a road (within the speed limit) and someone stepped out from behind a lorry and I ploughed into them, totally unavoidable on my part, I would still feel a sense of guilt and apologise to the person.
Likewise, if I was walking through a crowded town right behind an old woman and she stopped suddenly and I walked into her and she ended up on the floor with a broken arm, I'd still apologise to her even though it was her fault.
I could go on for ever with stuff like these...
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 17:16:06 GMT 1
If I was driving down a road (within the speed limit) and someone stepped out from behind a lorry and I ploughed into them, totally unavoidable on my part, I would still feel a sense of guilt and apologise to the person. even though a lorry is parked, presumably blocking most of the road, you are still travelling at the speed limit errr, thats totally irresponsible on your part slow down man i'm not sure i'd accept your apology anyway
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Post by Ned on May 4, 2011 17:23:38 GMT 1
If I was driving down a road (within the speed limit) and someone stepped out from behind a lorry and I ploughed into them, totally unavoidable on my part, I would still feel a sense of guilt and apologise to the person. Likewise, if I was walking through a crowded town right behind an old woman and she stopped suddenly and I walked into her and she ended up on the floor with a broken arm, I'd still apologise to her even though it was her fault. I could go on for ever with stuff like these... Completely beside the point. McNaughton was playing a game of football. If I was in his position, I know I wouldn't apologise. PILCH - how is he guilty? I still haven't had that question answered. I'm bemused at how people think he's done something wrong Worst thing is when I see things in the papers today like "Massey caught up in another sexism row". Don't make me laugh.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 4, 2011 17:25:56 GMT 1
It's just common courtesy. You send someone flying, either intentionally or unintentionally, you go and see if they're alright and apologise for your part in it. McNaughton probably would have if they weren't half-way through throwing away their chance of automatic promotion, he probably saw it as a way of releasing his frustrations
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Post by Ned on May 4, 2011 17:29:29 GMT 1
It's just common courtesy. You send someone flying, either intentionally or unintentionally, you go and see if they're alright and apologise for your part in it. McNaughton probably would have if they weren't half-way through throwing away their chance of automatic promotion, he probably saw it as a way of releasing his frustrations I'm not saying he did, but wouldn't you have been the same? I know most people would, if they're honest. People have accidently shoved me on trains/buses in the past and not apologised. Same thing.
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Post by Pilch on May 4, 2011 17:35:57 GMT 1
If I was driving down a road (within the speed limit) and someone stepped out from behind a lorry and I ploughed into them, totally unavoidable on my part, I would still feel a sense of guilt and apologise to the person. Likewise, if I was walking through a crowded town right behind an old woman and she stopped suddenly and I walked into her and she ended up on the floor with a broken arm, I'd still apologise to her even though it was her fault. I could go on for ever with stuff like these... Completely beside the point. McNaughton was playing a game of football. If I was in his position, I know I wouldn't apologise. PILCH - how is he guilty? I still haven't had that question answered. I'm bemused at how people think he's done something wrong Worst thing is when I see things in the papers today like "Massey caught up in another sexism row". Don't make me laugh. the whole point, if we give him the benefit of the doubt which i did in my first post on the issue i stated the very least he could do was apologise and help the girl up the more i look at the more it looks like it was intentional ps i have just remember hearing the following during the game now, no idea who it came from or who it was aimed at but i heard 'will you get your f****** flag up' i'd hate to think it was the same player, before the incident
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Post by Ned on May 4, 2011 17:40:16 GMT 1
Completely beside the point. McNaughton was playing a game of football. If I was in his position, I know I wouldn't apologise. PILCH - how is he guilty? I still haven't had that question answered. I'm bemused at how people think he's done something wrong Worst thing is when I see things in the papers today like "Massey caught up in another sexism row". Don't make me laugh. the whole point, if we give him the benefit of the doubt which i did in my first post on the issue i stated the very least he could do was apologise and help the girl up the more i look at the more it looks like it was intentional ps i have just remember hearing the following during the game now, no idea who it came from or who it was aimed at but i heard 'will you get your Flip*** flag up' i'd hate to think it was the same player, before the incident I go with what I said originally - it was funny, more than anything else and Sian Massey saw the funny side
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Post by heavenlyshrew on May 4, 2011 17:45:54 GMT 1
Likewise, if I was walking through a crowded town right behind an old woman and she stopped suddenly and I walked into her and she ended up on the floor with a broken arm, I'd still apologise to her even though it was her fault. . I would not of said sorry to the old women and i would of robbed her purse and been on my toes back to divi tesdo for some cans of stella and 20 regal
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