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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 0:40:48 GMT 1
If Hereford fans can watch Villa (a much bigger/more prestigious club than Swansea, who we used to routinely play not many years ago) for £10/£5 then that would seem about right. In reality I think it will be normal prices and a low attendance, STFC's choice of course. I think you will find its Villa who are at home, and therefore will reduce the prices to encourage THEIR supporters to turn up. The few(relatively) who turn up from Hereford will not have that much effect on finances. The game has to be played and costs met, and i am sure the comparative costs to a club like Villa as against those of Shrewsbury is massive. I am lucky enough to be a STH, but would look forward to a reduction in ticket pricing for this game for various reasons. I cannot see many Swans fans travelling down for 3 hours for a decidedly unattractive game against lower tier opposition on a Tuesday night. We must therefore try to attract local football fans to turn up in numbers, and hopefully enjoy what they see ( the match and match day experience) to want to experience it again on a more regular basis. There are many reasons for hoping for discounted pricing, not least the recession we are finding ourselves in. To say , in effect, that i am a STH and therefore enjoy an already built in price reduction is missing the point. Its those who cannot afford ST's we need to entice to matches on a more regular basis. I f you, like me, have already purchased a ST, then you, like me are 1) a lucky barsteward being able to afford this, and 2) are already sold on the idea of watching football at STFC . And one more point. Are'nt some of us getting a bit above ourselves with the thinking that its only Swansea. Its Premiership quality, which is what we wanted. To say that we've played them not too long ago? Did'nt we play Wigan, Wolves, Stoke, not too long ago in the same League, and Newcastle, Villa ETC . Getting a bit "picky" are'nt we.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 13, 2011 7:43:17 GMT 1
It surprises me that so many fans are so dismissive of cup ties. In 3 seasons we've had a 3-3 draw with Ipswich, 4-3 v Charlton and 3-2 at Derby. These were easily 3 of the most entertaining games in those seasons, not just for the high scoring but for the higher quality of football that came from playing better than usual opponents. Far more enjoyable than a lot of our league games yet relatively small crowds. Don't get that. Err..possibly because the whole competition has been devalued years ago by the Premier and Championship Clubs being allowed to field their reserve sides?
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Aug 13, 2011 11:03:04 GMT 1
And one more point. Are'nt some of us getting a bit above ourselves with the thinking that its only Swansea. Its Premiership quality, which is what we wanted. To say that we've played them not too long ago? Did'nt we play Wigan, Wolves, Stoke, not too long ago in the same League, and Newcastle, Villa ETC . Getting a bit "picky" are'nt we. As I said on a previous post, It more depends on peoples definition of a big name club, Swansea maybe Premiership Quality in theory (as they've not play yet). They are not a name to pull the crowds. West Ham would pull more and they are in a lower league, and I'm from an age were the Sheffield clubs are a bigger name to me than Swansea, and they are in a league above us.
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Post by mysticmurray on Aug 13, 2011 11:13:07 GMT 1
I like Martin James. He's a good bloke.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 13, 2011 11:27:21 GMT 1
I like Martin James. He's a good bloke. He is but has become a bit of a yes man for Roland & Co when he answers club questions - did you ever have chips at home
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Aug 13, 2011 11:31:10 GMT 1
Will get shot down for this, but that is life. Just been reading the prices thread for the Swansea game and cannot help thinkiung about how small minded some of our fans are. what is all this calling for reduced prices?? we have drawn a premiership club in the second round of the cup.......... yet calls for the prices to be slashed. do you not think that season ticket holders have already been shown a great discount already..... we have a decent price structure as it is, and there are plenty of opportunities to purchase match day tickets beforehand. There is already plenty being done by Martin James to attract new fans. its always the same people, if you think its to expensive, then dont go. we are a club that aspires to be in the championship. but with fans who think they should be given discounts all the time. putting matches on costs money, the players want paying, we want signings that are better than what we have already, staff need paying and the ground needs upkeep. When STFC go through the yearly budgets most things are taken into consideration, stewarding etc etc. get real people. I am not going to try and second guess what STFC will do with the pricing of this game against Swansea, but will certainly not moan if it the same price as a normal game. As a season ticket holder, i think we have it pretty good as it is, and this is as I had taken the clubs goodwill gesture of getting it early!! Good post Downie. I dont think we really do appreciate what it costs. We will all moan if the club is run at a loss, adn yet expect to get in for tuppence hap'penny. I think clubs have to be savy. The Carling Cup and FA Cup are now not seen as given games. And with more supporters having season tickets, you will get fans that wont shell out extra for cup games, especially if there have games in the meantime. So, yes there may be an opportunity to think about the pricing structure. Cutting prices doesnt all mean more income. I do feel for fans espcially in the current climate who feel obliged to keep shelling out for shirts and tickets. But you have to get real sometimes despite the passion. If you cant afford to go. You cant afford to go. Its that simple. The only way it will change is if running costs reduce, and then so can entry prices. But if players are paid at the rates they are, even out our level, then theres not much chance of it. When you think that income from gates doesnt cover wages, then you have to realistic in pricing structure.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 13, 2011 13:38:18 GMT 1
I'd like to see the club cutting prices for the simple reason as I'd hope to get more fans in and create a good atmosphere that could help the team rise to the occasion. i really think, particularly if swansea rest a few players, that there's a chance of a good result for town - just think a win would guarantee one more game and chances are that we'd be more likely to draw a bigger team in the next round and have a massive pay day (european qualified teams come in for one). Even if we got a draw that would mean a replay. Plus a positive result could lead to extended highlights / a live match. Oh only £25k for reaching the semi finals? I'd imagine more like £250k! Plus tv coverage.
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 13, 2011 19:08:30 GMT 1
Maybe in these tough economic times we could offer reduced prices for unemployed fans,as used to happen years ago (maybe trial it for the Swans game). Or perhaps some would favour the idea provided they did some litter picking / toilet cleaning at half time
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Post by aldo on Aug 13, 2011 19:24:33 GMT 1
Maybe in these tough economic times we could offer reduced prices for unemployed fans,as used to happen years ago (maybe trial it for the Swans game). Or perhaps some would favour the idea provided they did some litter picking / toilet cleaning at half time dunno about litter picking, but do programme sellers still get a free ticket? may be worth enquiring for those that cant afford it at the moment.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Aug 13, 2011 19:33:19 GMT 1
There are costs incurred in running a football club that 99.8% of us wont even come close to understanding. It has to break even if not make a profit otherwise you may get your wish of cheaper football in the semi proffessional leagues.
Facts dictate if you can't afford to go then don't.
I would like to drive a ferrari... I can't afford to thus wont.
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 13, 2011 19:46:06 GMT 1
I think the silly prices charged for pre-season friendlies against the sides United and Wolves sent down here was more befitting of criticism than this issue.
I appreciate that we want a solvent club capable of attracting decent players for this level, but I think this comment from REVAP hits the nail on the head:
I think clubs have to be savy. The Carling Cup and FA Cup are now not seen as given games. And with more supporters having season tickets, you will get fans that wont shell out extra for cup games, especially if there have games in the meantime. So, yes there may be an opportunity to think about the pricing structure.
A bit of a reduction in price, or some other kind of incentive could swell numbers. Better to get 8,000 at a reduced rate that 6,000 paying top whack, maybe.
If we see a pulsating game of cup football, some of the 'dabblers' could get bitten by the bug and becomeregular attenders.
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Post by jamo on Aug 13, 2011 19:52:35 GMT 1
I don't think it unreasonable for supporters to expect the club to have an appreciation of just what the economic situation is both nationally and locally, and react accordingly when the situation presents itself.
We have a marketing department, is it unfair to expect them to market a game with just a little bit more imagination ?
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Post by aldo on Aug 13, 2011 20:01:14 GMT 1
I don't think it unreasonable for supporters to expect the club to have an appreciation of just what the economic situation is both nationally and locally, and react accordingly when the situation presents itself. We have a marketing department, is it unfair to expect them to market a game with just a little bit more imagination ? Is it unfair to judge people when we dont actually know the facts though? Like i said on the last page, how can anyone answer the question unless they know the costs of a game? nobody actually seems to have any sort of an idea, but that doesnt seem to stop people having an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 21:02:07 GMT 1
I don't think it unreasonable for supporters to expect the club to have an appreciation of just what the economic situation is both nationally and locally, and react accordingly when the situation presents itself. We have a marketing department, is it unfair to expect them to market a game with just a little bit more imagination ? Perhaps they have already done this and set the ticket prices accordingly for everyday games!!
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Post by Pilch on Aug 13, 2011 21:21:12 GMT 1
downie
over recent years in cup games and friendlies our prices have been shocking at times compared to what many other clubs have done and lowered the prices or especially when the opposition wanted cheaper prices and we didnt
the swansea game now means 3 home games in 10 days
some us simply don't have £51 to spend, never mind the extras that an average game usual costs
there is a thread there asking what we think the price should be i for one gave my opinion
not sure why you couldnt join in the debate on that thread instead of creating a new soap box maybe you think your opinion is more important, or maybe you are after some brownie downie points ;-)
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 13, 2011 21:23:22 GMT 1
Can anyone remember what the Staines price was?
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Post by Pilch on Aug 13, 2011 21:39:33 GMT 1
Can anyone remember what the Staines price was? full price, they used the both clubs have to agree on a change of price excuse which isn't true, both clubs simply have to agree on a price its probably why it was a dull no atmosphere game which obviously suited the opposition
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Aug 13, 2011 23:07:26 GMT 1
If Hereford fans can watch Villa (a much bigger/more prestigious club than Swansea, who we used to routinely play not many years ago) for £10/£5 then that would seem about right. In reality I think it will be normal prices and a low attendance, STFC's choice of course. I think you will find its Villa who are at home, and therefore will reduce the prices to encourage THEIR supporters to turn up. The few(relatively) who turn up from Hereford will not have that much effect on finances. The game has to be played and costs met, and i am sure the comparative costs to a club like Villa as against those of Shrewsbury is massive. I am lucky enough to be a STH, but would look forward to a reduction in ticket pricing for this game for various reasons. I cannot see many Swans fans travelling down for 3 hours for a decidedly unattractive game against lower tier opposition on a Tuesday night. We must therefore try to attract local football fans to turn up in numbers, and hopefully enjoy what they see ( the match and match day experience) to want to experience it again on a more regular basis. There are many reasons for hoping for discounted pricing, not least the recession we are finding ourselves in. To say , in effect, that i am a STH and therefore enjoy an already built in price reduction is missing the point. Its those who cannot afford ST's we need to entice to matches on a more regular basis. I f you, like me, have already purchased a ST, then you, like me are 1) a lucky barsteward being able to afford this, and 2) are already sold on the idea of watching football at STFC . And one more point. Are'nt some of us getting a bit above ourselves with the thinking that its only Swansea. Its Premiership quality, which is what we wanted. To say that we've played them not too long ago? Did'nt we play Wigan, Wolves, Stoke, not too long ago in the same League, and Newcastle, Villa ETC . Getting a bit "picky" are'nt we. Of course all but the most loyal Villa fans will turn their nose up at paying to watch bottom of the league Hereford (hence the cheap prices), however Swansea are no crowd-pullers, prem or not. You seem to scorn my idea that £10/£5 would be an idea, yet go on to advocate lowering the ticket prices - but my sentiment remains, lower the prices, get the lucky STH's lower prices as well as all the down at heel people that pay as they go... Yes it's prem swansea - is it 'premiership quality'? Dubious - what sort of a team will swansea put out, likely to be a 2nd XI which is probably L2 standard.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 14, 2011 7:13:29 GMT 1
Facts dictate if you can't afford to go then don't. I think that goes without saying. I think that's why you have people on here asking the club to make the game affordable, so that people can go...
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Post by Pilch on Aug 14, 2011 10:07:44 GMT 1
There are costs incurred in running a football club that 99.8% of us wont even come close to understanding. It has to break even if not make a profit otherwise you may get your wish of cheaper football in the semi proffessional leagues. Facts dictate if you can't afford to go then don't. I would like to drive a ferrari... I can't afford to thus wont. I know the feeling, I want a nintendo 3ds but can't afford one Hang on a sec m.kotaku.com/5825495/nintendo-3ds-gets-sudden-massive-price-drop
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