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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 17:32:37 GMT 1
Will get shot down for this, but that is life.
Just been reading the prices thread for the Swansea game and cannot help thinkiung about how small minded some of our fans are.
what is all this calling for reduced prices?? we have drawn a premiership club in the second round of the cup.......... yet calls for the prices to be slashed. do you not think that season ticket holders have already been shown a great discount already..... we have a decent price structure as it is, and there are plenty of opportunities to purchase match day tickets beforehand.
There is already plenty being done by Martin James to attract new fans.
its always the same people, if you think its to expensive, then dont go. we are a club that aspires to be in the championship. but with fans who think they should be given discounts all the time.
putting matches on costs money, the players want paying, we want signings that are better than what we have already, staff need paying and the ground needs upkeep.
When STFC go through the yearly budgets most things are taken into consideration, stewarding etc etc.
get real people. I am not going to try and second guess what STFC will do with the pricing of this game against Swansea, but will certainly not moan if it the same price as a normal game. As a season ticket holder, i think we have it pretty good as it is, and this is as I had taken the clubs goodwill gesture of getting it early!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 17:36:55 GMT 1
There would be people who would complain at 2p adults and 1p concessions.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 12, 2011 17:47:39 GMT 1
'There is already plenty being done by Martin James to attract new fans.'
Why were there 300 + less home fans at our 1st home this year than the opener last Year if he's doing such a great job? Especially as the last two game of 2010/11 were all but sold out
I think the idea of a lower price is to attract more fans than will / would turn up on a Tuesday if we charge full price creating a better atmosphere and a reward for those fans who struggle to afford 'extra' games when monies tight.....
A few quid doesn't make much difference to me (or you I'd guess) but for many its the difference between going and not going....
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Post by Ned on Aug 12, 2011 17:52:44 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 17:52:52 GMT 1
'There is already plenty being done by Martin James to attract new fans.'Why were there 300 + less home fans at our 1st home this year than the opener last Year if he's doing such a great job? Especially as the last two game of 2010/11 were all but sold out I think the idea of a lower price is to attract more fans than will / would turn up on a Tuesday if we charge full price creating a better atmosphere and a reward for those fans who struggle to afford 'extra' games when monies tight..... A few quid doesn't make much difference to me (or you I'd guess) but for many its the difference between going and not going.... Not sure, could be more people on holiday, could be many reasons, lets see what it is like after 10 matches eh!! rather than look for knee jerk reactions Most home games that attract lower league opposition will offer incentives.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Aug 12, 2011 18:01:31 GMT 1
I don't think it's small club syndrome, it's more reality.
1) It's a midweek match which get lower crowds anyway due to people having to be up in the morning. 2) Swansea aren't a big name, even if they are now in the prem, and it's not that long since we played them. 3) Too most the league is more important than most cup matches. 4) We are playing at home on the 2 Saturdays either side of it, which is a lot to pay out in 1 week.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 12, 2011 18:04:25 GMT 1
Its not about thinking its too expensive, football is expensive. And so for that reason alone it would not hurt the club to provide some discount or another every now and then. More so for games that don't have the same attraction; just like those in the League Cup and the lower league cup (whatever its called these days). Yes players need to be paid, no one is asking the club to open the doors to let fans in for free...but just enough to cover the cost would be nice. Gives regulars a good deal, might get others through the door who might not otherwise be bothered or can't afford to watch football today... Its about good will...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 18:06:42 GMT 1
There would be people who would complain at 2p adults and 1p concessions. Garbage. You're really becoming irritating. I don't think the early bird season-ticket pricing counts as a 'goodwill gesture'. To me, STFC were simply trying to entice the undecided into making a long-term commitment. While a sound business strategy, it isn't the 'goodwill' gesture Downie has made out. In my years as a follower of Shrewsbury Town FC, I cannot recall a single decent gesture by the club’s hierarchy. While clubs nationwide routinely offer ‘once a season’ gestures (e.g. discounted away travel or even free entry) to reward their support, our fans receive absolutely nothing. I remember the calls for free transport to be provided for all supporters to Morecambe following the farcical postponement in 2008. The club’s response was both frugal and insulting as they begrudgingly agreed for free travel to be arranged for only those that had travelled in the original instance. It appears to me that the STFC board often take the supporters for granted. It is all ‘take take take’ as their recent sickening friendly prices showed. No wonder there is widespread dissent amongst disenfranchised Shrewsbury supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 18:07:28 GMT 1
I don't think it's small club syndrome, it's more reality. 1) It's a midweek match which get lower crowds anyway due to people having to be up in the morning. 2) Swansea aren't a big name, even if they are now in the prem, and it's not that long since we played them. 3) Too most the league is more important than most cup matches. 4) We are playing at home on the 2 Saturdays either side of it, which is a lot to pay out in 1 week. Agree, but lf the club make there minds up, and if they do give reduced prices, then great, just dont expect it, and moan if it does not happen. 3000 people already have season tickets so wont have to worry about forking out for 3 games on the trot. And as much as you may not think of Swansea as a big name, I would argue that through sucess on the pitch, theyt are a darn site bigger than us.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Aug 12, 2011 18:10:31 GMT 1
First of all, this is a game that we didn't expect to play, and the club didn't budget for it. Any money we get from ticket sales will be a bonus. The game has the potential to be a great atmosphere if we get a load of fans in and price it right and give the team a lift. It will most likely to be Swansea reserves as well and isn't a glamour tie.
We'll look a bit silly imo if only 4,000 turn up.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Aug 12, 2011 18:11:00 GMT 1
putting matches on costs money, the players want paying, we want signings that are better than what we have already, staff need paying and the ground needs upkeep. Don't the players and staff get paid per week not per match ? OK there is bonus's but that can come from the prize money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 18:14:47 GMT 1
putting matches on costs money, the players want paying, we want signings that are better than what we have already, staff need paying and the ground needs upkeep. Don't the players and staff get paid per week not per match ? OK there is bonus's but that can come from the prize money. The full time staff do, but what about the stewards and extra match day staff, policing, floodlights etc etc, only the winning team get prize money, and how much do you think that is, from what I can find, losing semi finalists get 25k
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 12, 2011 18:21:08 GMT 1
Not a knee jerk reaction nor criticism just fact......
He's a good bloke who works very hard for the club he loves but isn't always helped by decisions made above him....
one reason as I've said before is the trouble at the last two games of the season, decisions on policing that have resulted in ugly scenes, pricing of friendlies etc........
Pricing is directly linked to marketing and PR which has been poor historically in my opinion hence falling numbers
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Aug 12, 2011 18:26:07 GMT 1
I don't think it's small club syndrome, it's more reality. 1) It's a midweek match which get lower crowds anyway due to people having to be up in the morning. 2) Swansea aren't a big name, even if they are now in the prem, and it's not that long since we played them. 3) Too most the league is more important than most cup matches. 4) We are playing at home on the 2 Saturdays either side of it, which is a lot to pay out in 1 week. Agree, but lf the club make there minds up, and if they do give reduced prices, then great, just dont expect it, and moan if it does not happen. 3000 people already have season tickets so wont have to worry about forking out for 3 games on the trot. And as much as you may not think of Swansea as a big name, I would argue that through sucess on the pitch, theyt are a darn site bigger than us. I'm not saying that they're not a bigger club than us (at the moment), but they are not a big name. You'd get more people going if we played West Ham, but by your definition Swansea are the bigger team. It more depends on peoples definition of a big name club, and I personally don't think Swansea are.
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Post by Mike on Aug 12, 2011 18:27:26 GMT 1
The opening post on this thread is just absoloute tosh, I'm sorry, utter tosh!
We aspire to be a championship club? What's that got to do with anything? Should we pay championship prices should we, even though we are a 4th division club?
As for banging on about this season ticket goodvalue stuff, well some of us on this board actually haven't got a ST so how is that relevant to me?
We are in the middle of some of the worst economic conditions for decades.
A lot of people haven't got jobs, or those that have, have little disposable income.
Prices are too high, £19, £19 for a game of 4th division football.
To be honest, I can afford to pay it at the minute, but I'm not going too because it is a rip off, it doesn't represent good value for money.
You can see Wigan in the Prem for £20 ffs. £1 more to see Premiership football.
And yeah I won't go, because it's a rip off. Then if enough people vote with their feet then they might just take some notice of us!
You would do well to remember that the club exists because of it's fans, not the other way round.
There is no need to berate people who would like to watch the club they love for a few quid less than the rip off prices they currently have to pay.
You have no right. As I said. Utter Tosh!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 18:32:11 GMT 1
The opening post on this thread is just absoloute tosh, I'm sorry, utter tosh! We aspire to be a championship club? What's that got to do with anything? Should we pay championship prices should we, even though we are a 4th division club? As for banging on about this season ticket goodvalue stuff, well some of us on this board actually haven't got a ST so how is that relevant to me? We are in the middle of some of the worst economic conditions for decades. A lot of people haven't got jobs, or those that have, have little disposable income. Prices are too high, £19, £19 for a game of 4th division football. To be honest, I can afford to pay it at the minute, but I'm not going too because it is a rip off, it doesn't represent good value for money. You can see Wigan in the Prem for £20 ffs. £1 more to see Premiership football. And yeah I won't go, because it's a rip off. Then if enough people vote with their feet then they might just take some notice of us! You would do well to remember that the club exists because of it's fans, not the other way round. There is no need to berate people who would like to watch the club they love for a few quid less than the rip off prices they currently have to pay. You have no right. As I said. Utter Tosh! Who's fault you dont have a season ticket?? and if Wigan is that attractive, pse enjoy!! I personally think in comparison with other clubs, we have a fair pricing policy, I have as much right to say what I feel, as you have about saying my post is tosh!!
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Post by venceremos on Aug 12, 2011 18:34:33 GMT 1
It surprises me that so many fans are so dismissive of cup ties. In 3 seasons we've had a 3-3 draw with Ipswich, 4-3 v Charlton and 3-2 at Derby. These were easily 3 of the most entertaining games in those seasons, not just for the high scoring but for the higher quality of football that came from playing better than usual opponents. Far more enjoyable than a lot of our league games yet relatively small crowds. Don't get that.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 12, 2011 18:37:48 GMT 1
There is no need to berate people who would like to watch the club they love for a few quid less than the rip off prices they currently have to pay. You have no right. As I said. Utter Tosh! He has every right to berate who he likes. Just as you're doing.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Aug 12, 2011 18:41:10 GMT 1
It surprises me that so many fans are so dismissive of cup ties. In 3 seasons we've had a 3-3 draw with Ipswich, 4-3 v Charlton and 3-2 at Derby. These were easily 3 of the most entertaining games in those seasons, not just for the high scoring but for the higher quality of football that came from playing better than usual opponents. Far more enjoyable than a lot of our league games yet relatively small crowds. Don't get that. Price's keep going up and wages stay the same or go up by far less, so people have less money to live on. Going to a football match is a luxury. So you pick and choose what match's you go to, and people place league match's as more important, esp if you have 3 in a week.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 12, 2011 18:49:33 GMT 1
It surprises me that so many fans are so dismissive of cup ties. In 3 seasons we've had a 3-3 draw with Ipswich, 4-3 v Charlton and 3-2 at Derby. These were easily 3 of the most entertaining games in those seasons, not just for the high scoring but for the higher quality of football that came from playing better than usual opponents. Far more enjoyable than a lot of our league games yet relatively small crowds. Don't get that. Price's keep going up and wages stay the same or go up by far less, so people have less money to live on. Going to a football match is a luxury. So you pick and choose what match's you go to, and people place league match's as more important, esp if you have 3 in a week. I know - just surprises me more don't choose the cup tie as a change from the usual league stuff.
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Post by Mike on Aug 12, 2011 18:49:56 GMT 1
Fair pricing policy, in comparison to other clubs?
Wigan (£20) Premiership
Stoke (£25) Premiership
Shrewsbury Town (£19) League Two
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 12, 2011 19:03:15 GMT 1
'Why were there 300 + less home fans at our 1st home this year than the opener last Year if he's doing such a great job? ....
300 odd down when Government cuts are biting, Shropshire Council employees are set for wage cuts and/or strike action, petrol/diesel price is through the roof for long distance fans. 300 odd down sounds like quite a good performance to me.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 12, 2011 19:16:57 GMT 1
Mike, you can throw 15 notes into that for a pre season friendly against a Manchester third string. Here the club were clearly looking to fleece the local Manchester fans rather than thinking of thier own supporters. It's not right that.
I can't even recall when the Town have provided a significant discount on a game? What has there been in the past? Can anyone recall owt over the years? At the arse end of last season you could buy three tickets together and you were able to save a bit but not the sort of discount or gesture that will capture the imagination of the supporters. Why not the Swansea game for 5 notes if it means all the costs to stage the game are covered? Why not help the fans out and give them the chance to see a game for dirt cheap, in the cup, against top flight opposition. Not as if they do it every week is it...
Are we not one of the few clubs who doesnt go in for this Sun newspaper cheaper tickets too?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 19:36:04 GMT 1
Downie, think it's a question of economics here as opposed to attitude. I wasn't a massive supporter of the idea of big reductions for friendlies but think for a game like this is different.
Reasons why?
- Season ticket holders - they are used to paying £12 per game. I don't think £17 for them represents good value for this game. Yes it's Premier League opposition but a first team is very unlikely.
- New fans. Cup games can be people's first games who then go on to be lifelong fans. I don't believe it's the same with friendlies. This is a good chance to get some new fans along who may come back this season.
- Goodwill. A statement from the club reflecting the economic situation would be well received by fans. No way to put a financial figure on this but good sense in my opinion to offer an olive branch every now and again.
I'd like to see something offered for a competitive game. Even a reduction to £15 for me, would be enough to make a fuss about, attract a few additional fans, and go down well with the fan base.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 19:36:19 GMT 1
Downie, think it's a question of economics here as opposed to attitude. I wasn't a massive supporter of the idea of big reductions for friendlies but think for a game like this is different.
Reasons why?
- Season ticket holders - they are used to paying £12 per game. I don't think £17 for them represents good value for this game. Yes it's Premier League opposition but a first team is very unlikely.
- New fans. Cup games can be people's first games who then go on to be lifelong fans. I don't believe it's the same with friendlies. This is a good chance to get some new fans along who may come back this season.
- Goodwill. A statement from the club reflecting the economic situation would be well received by fans. No way to put a financial figure on this but good sense in my opinion to offer an olive branch every now and again.
I'd like to seea something offered for a competitive game. Even a reduction to £15 for me, would be enough to make a fuss about, attract a few additional fans, and go down well with the fan base.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 19:47:23 GMT 1
Im still confused at the title of the thread in relation to the tone of the opening post
Is it only fans of small sides who raise concerns about ticket prices and the attitude of the club towards the fans?
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Post by aldo on Aug 12, 2011 19:53:00 GMT 1
How is it possible to say how much the price should be without knowing the costs of putting on a match at the Meadow?
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Post by WindsorShrew on Aug 12, 2011 20:37:33 GMT 1
Thing is most of us spout of using emotion rather than knowledge. Yes we would like cheaper football but that would have an effect on the squad - play offs - promotion etc.
I guess it's a balance that most in fact all on here don't truly understand.
Agree that Downie does talk s**te though...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 22:24:04 GMT 1
There would be people who would complain at 2p adults and 1p concessions. Garbage. You're really becoming irritating. I don't think the early bird season-ticket pricing counts as a 'goodwill gesture'. To me, STFC were simply trying to entice the undecided into making a long-term commitment. While a sound business strategy, it isn't the 'goodwill' gesture Downie has made out. In my years as a follower of Shrewsbury Town FC, I cannot recall a single decent gesture by the club’s hierarchy. While clubs nationwide routinely offer ‘once a season’ gestures (e.g. discounted away travel or even free entry) to reward their support, our fans receive absolutely nothing. I remember the calls for free transport to be provided for all supporters to Morecambe following the farcical postponement in 2008. The club’s response was both frugal and insulting as they begrudgingly agreed for free travel to be arranged for only those that had travelled in the original instance. It appears to me that the STFC board often take the supporters for granted. It is all ‘take take take’ as their recent sickening friendly prices showed. No wonder there is widespread dissent amongst disenfranchised Shrewsbury supporters. So why have attendances nearly doubled since I started watching town? I suggest you take action and form an AFC Shrewsbury along with the many other disenfranchised supporters because Shrewsbury Town as it currently is clearly appears to have no place in your heart.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Aug 12, 2011 23:32:32 GMT 1
If Hereford fans can watch Villa (a much bigger/more prestigious club than Swansea, who we used to routinely play not many years ago) for £10/£5 then that would seem about right. In reality I think it will be normal prices and a low attendance, STFC's choice of course.
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