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Post by Shrewed on Jul 30, 2011 8:55:51 GMT 1
For all the talk of fitness training at Shawbury, I didn't see a team that appeared match fit. Does anyone else feel that we have had too few pre season matches.
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Post by shrew54 on Jul 30, 2011 9:06:04 GMT 1
I don't think there were too few. Most of the players looked fit enough, the only ones who looked off the pace were Richards and Sharps mainly because of lack of training. Then again you've got to find a negative somewhere
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 9:10:40 GMT 1
Havent been to any pre season games so cant judge the fitness but general observation is we havent had enough
If you discount the TNS game then its 4 friendlies, 2 of which were against mainly youth sides. Doesnt seem the most ideal of preparations
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 30, 2011 9:17:08 GMT 1
I don't think there were too few. Most of the players looked fit enough, the only ones who looked off the pace were Richards and Sharps mainly because of lack of training. Then again you've got to find a negative somewhere Please tell me of any positive to come out of last night performance besides Smith's form, because we didn't see any.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 9:21:14 GMT 1
I see Turner has said on the website that we lacked sharpness and were more one paced as the game went in. Possibly caused by lack of match action?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 30, 2011 9:30:45 GMT 1
Were back in Blue and Amber, squad is a decent mix between youth and experience.
Why can't you be happy Ed?
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 30, 2011 9:41:50 GMT 1
Were back in Blue and Amber, squad is a decent mix between youth and experience. Why can't you be happy Ed? Well for a start I prefer last seasons kit unlike you whippersnappers I grew up supporting the Town playing in blue and White. I think if you'd been there last night you'd hardly describe it a decent squad I know it was a friendly but even Turner appears worried.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 10:34:48 GMT 1
Were back in Blue and Amber, squad is a decent mix between youth and experience. Why can't you be happy Ed? Well for a start I prefer last seasons kit unlike you whippersnappers I grew up supporting the Town playing in blue and White. I think if you'd been there last night you'd hardly describe it a decent squad I know it was a friendly but even Turner appears worried. Not as bad as pre- season 1979 and we know what happened then. Last nights pre season friendly showed why they are needed, I think GT may feel let down by the teams put out by the opposition ie Wolves. I thought GT experimented with his selection last night and came up with more questions than answers but I am not overly worried. Saturdays selection I guess will be Smith Grandison Sharps Hazell SCS Ainsworth Wroe McCallister Wright Collins Morgan (I thought Taylor tried too much last night, completed passes ratio was poor and got caught in possesion to often) Bench - Gornall Taylor Regan Richards Neal
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 10:45:07 GMT 1
Pre-season results from our last promotion season: (all against full-strength opposition)
Ludlow Town 7-0 (W) TNS 3-0 (W) Rhyl 3-1 (W) Colwyn Bay 3-1 (W) Derby County 5-0 (W) Telford United 3-2 (W) Nantwich 3-1 (W) Kidsgrove 3-2 (W) Cambridge 3-1 (W)
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 30, 2011 10:45:10 GMT 1
I noticed that 'fitness training' started with the usual run up haughmond which seems to go against modern methods...
also do we train enough? now and in the past... I'd like to see the whole squad in from 9 till 5 at least 4 days a week a la Srevenage where it seemed to make a big difference, far too lax here don't really know the hours they keep but whenever i've been at the club they seem to finish around 1.00? may be wrong but does anyone know the hours they keep?
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Post by albionshrew on Jul 30, 2011 10:52:00 GMT 1
"Well for a start I prefer last seasons kit unlike you whippersnappers I grew up supporting the Town playing in blue and White." Me too. Also, the match day programme was carved on slabs of Wrekin sandstone, the pies were hot and the ball was brown and weighed a ton!
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Post by shrew54 on Jul 30, 2011 11:35:18 GMT 1
I don't think there were too few. Most of the players looked fit enough, the only ones who looked off the pace were Richards and Sharps mainly because of lack of training. Then again you've got to find a negative somewhere Please tell me of any positive to come out of last night performance besides Smith's form, because we didn't see any. I was replying to your comments regarding match fitness, I have already commented on another thread I thought it was a poor performance!! P.S I agree with you about the kit, I am of an age where blue & white is what I consider the Town's colours
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Post by bizzylad on Jul 30, 2011 18:44:17 GMT 1
Pre-season results from our last promotion season: (all against full-strength opposition) Ludlow Town 7-0 (W) TNS 3-0 (W) Rhyl 3-1 (W) Colwyn Bay 3-1 (W) Derby County 5-0 (W) Telford United 3-2 (W) Nantwich 3-1 (W) Kidsgrove 3-2 (W) Cambridge 3-1 (W) Kidsgrove was 7-4 owd lad including a Luke Rodgers hat-trick was at game.
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Post by bradders on Jul 30, 2011 18:54:38 GMT 1
We also played tranmere away, just because it was behind closed doors doesn't mean it's not a pre season game! Needs to be counted!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 19:01:29 GMT 1
I don't think there were too few. Most of the players looked fit enough, the only ones who looked off the pace were Richards and Sharps mainly because of lack of training. Then again you've got to find a negative somewhere Please tell me of any positive to come out of last night performance besides Smith's form, because we didn't see any. I have finally cottened on to your pattern of posting..................anything positive about the Town you ignore or turn into a negative, below par performances (even in friendly matches which you deemed meaningless just one week ago) sends you into a frenzy of negative posts. Last night was not good preparation for the start of the season that's for sure, but more importantly for you it fits your agenda of putting down the current team and manager at every opportunity. The match thread has several posts that say that either Nicky Wroe had a good game or was MOTM......... but no you can't have that can you then you have a pop at Macallister too, seconds after saying you cant judge the subs on a few minutes Oh yes and you post that GT is concerned as well.............. compared to our last manager I actually take this as a significant positive.
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 30, 2011 19:28:03 GMT 1
Paul for once take off your blue and amber glasses and the I love Wroe t shirt and tell me how effective the team was last night especially how central midfield dominated the game. What I wrote was my view of last nights game which is very similar to other posters. If you disagree maybe you should express your opinion on the game rather attacking those who have different views to you. By the way my view on Wroe and Mcallister are based on their performance last season far more than last nights.
You obviously do not know my views on Simpson. I think GT expressed his concern on last nights performance.
Finally I did praise the one player I felt had a good game Smith. Unfortunately you fail to identify the weakness in the team, maybe because you don't see any.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 20:16:28 GMT 1
Paul for once take off your blue and amber glasses and the I love Wroe t shirt and tell me how effective the team was last night especially how central midfield dominated the game. What I wrote was my view of last nights game which is very similar to other posters. If you disagree maybe you should express your opinion on the game rather attacking those who have different views to you. By the way my view on Wroe and Mcallister are based on their performance last season far more than last nights. You obviously do not know my views on Simpson. I think GT expressed his concern on last nights performance. Finally I did praise the one player I felt had a good game Smith. Unfortunately you fail to identify the weakness in the team, maybe because you don't see any. You seem to have missed the point as always. So to clarify: 1) I have nowhere said I thought last night was a good performance. 2) Why, when you belittled the significance of friendlies just over a week ago are you attaching more significance to this one 3) Why when most/all posters on the match thread said Wroe was one of our best players, are you slagging him off Stop going around in circles and stick to answering the points.
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 30, 2011 21:13:24 GMT 1
Paul, Distorting the facts seems to be your number one activity.
1. In the last 3 weeks you have failed constantly to identify a single problem within the club. All the new players are better than those they replaced just one of your constant statements.
2. So now no one can comment on a performance and to suggest that if they played like that in the league the team will struggle.
3. All I can suggest that you are very selective in which posts you read, on a quick count 5 out of 16 posters said Wroe had mom or good game that's less than a third. Hardly all or even most.
Rather than attacking the message tell us which parts of my match review did you disagree with and why?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 21:20:54 GMT 1
Paul, Distorting the facts seems to be your number one activity. 1. In the last 3 weeks you have failed constantly to identify a single problem within the club. All the new players are better than those they replaced just one of your constant statements. 2. So now no one can comment on a performance and to suggest that if they played like that in the league the team will struggle. 3. All I can suggest that you are very selective in which posts you read, on a quick count 5 out of 16 posters said Wroe had mom or good game that's less than a third. Hardly all or even most. Rather than attacking the message tell us which parts of my match review did you disagree with and why? 1. Completely wrong........... on just a couple of occasions I said that the first 4 signings were better than the players they replaced, havent commented on the other 2. My only constant statement is that I don't believe we have turned into a bottom half side overnight. 2. You can comment as much as you like about the performance last night but it's a bit hypocritical when you rubbished anybody doing the same after Man U and Wolves 3. How many said Wroe had a bad game besides you?
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 30, 2011 21:44:05 GMT 1
Paul still waiting for your candid view of last nights performance, you all ready agree that Sharps may not be fit. Very interested in your honest opinion of the performance and individuals effectiveness. But on past history I'll be waiting a long time.
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Post by mattmw on Jul 30, 2011 21:47:30 GMT 1
I'm genuinely not to worried by pre season matches - win loose or draw they are really nothing more than a chance to try out formations, different player combinations and get a bit of fitness in the side
In the last few seasons I've seen very few "competitive" friendlies so think reading too much into results can be misleading - test really comes in how we perform in the first five games of the season and if we don't look sharp in those games that's the time to ask questions about the preparation and fitness of the side
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 22:23:12 GMT 1
Paul still waiting for your candid view of last nights performance, you all ready agree that Sharps may not be fit. Very interested in your honest opinion of the performance and individuals effectiveness. But on past history I'll be waiting a long time. Negatives: 1) Morgan offers us so much more than Harrold if we play the ball to his feet so I was concerned last night to suddenly see us revert to lumping the ball up towards him (we hadnt done that previously) 2) SCS is fine at left back but using him there will give us a very untried, slow back 4, with Sharps maybe not fit, its even more of a concern. 3) Why are we not giving Gornell time on the pitch to get match fit and get used to other players? Positives: 1) Wroe, Macallister, Ainsworth, Wright, SCS, Smith, Morgan, Leslie, Taylor, Hazell and Jacobsen have had decent pre seasons and all look fit and ready to go............. they will all be important players in different ways. 2) It was a friendly....... Morgan lost his marker for the 1st goal so they have something to work on this week and hopefully put right by Plymouth. Possibly Sharp was at fault for the 2nd goal but maybe he was fouled......... again a week's training and such a risk maybe eliminated. 3) You posted we created "nothing" up front and I distinctly remember good chances for Wright, Taylor and Ainsworth in the first half. All our attacking players are very dangerous in different ways. 4) We are not ready......... Jacobsen's suspension, Sharps and Gornell's lack of match fitness is not ideal but for different reasons Plymouth and Burton may not be the most ready teams either, so we may get away with it, then Jacobsen will be back and the back 4 can settle down. Satisfied?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 30, 2011 22:35:07 GMT 1
Both goals were easily preventable and the time to concede them is now, not next week.
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 30, 2011 22:54:27 GMT 1
Interesting points I obviously disagree with some of your views that's what football is all about.
Surely the number of times Tranmere created one on ones must be a negative they could easily have scored at least 4 in the first half.
There is a difference been creating scoring opportunities and what I described as individual efforts.
Yes we have 3 effective wide men on their day but they need to receive the ball to their feet not at head height as was the case last night far to often.
Morgan needs support that will surely be provided by Collins who worked hard when he came on.
One thing we agree on is we are not ready and there is a lot of work to do this week. Which is what led me to start this thread in my view 5 games is insufficient match practice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2011 9:14:42 GMT 1
Oh Ed, one week pre season games are not fair methods to judge and now, as they support your view, of course they are, strange that.
As for the quality of our pre-season, we will be a bit more clued up to comment after the first few games of the season.
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 31, 2011 10:03:18 GMT 1
Oh Ed, one week pre season games are not fair methods to judge and now, as they support your view, of course they are, strange that. As for the quality of our pre-season, we will be a bit more clued up to comment after the first few games of the season. The comments particularly with reference to central midfield would be less relevant because it was a friendly if they did not demonstrate a continuance of the problem for at least the last 4 seasons of a failure far too often to dominate central midfield. It seems that some fans only want good reviews rather than honest view about performances even in a friendly match. No one at the match on Friday can be under the illusion that there is little wrong with the town team at the moment. Turner and the players have got a lot to do this weak to prepare for Saturday. It is true that the players haven't got worse over the summer but it is also true that a good manager can make a team better whereas a poor manager can make good players worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2011 13:33:27 GMT 1
Pre-season results from our last promotion season: (all against full-strength opposition) Ludlow Town 7-0 (W) TNS 3-0 (W) Rhyl 3-1 (W) Colwyn Bay 3-1 (W) Derby County 5-0 (W) Telford United 3-2 (W) Nantwich 3-1 (W) Kidsgrove 3-2 (W) Cambridge 3-1 (W) Kidsgrove was 7-4 owd lad including a Luke Rodgers hat-trick was at game. I was only going by the match reports I collected that season, this was a different season then?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2011 13:49:37 GMT 1
Ed, no probs with positive or negative reviews. But pre seasons can't be useless indicators one week and then the opposite the next.
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 31, 2011 17:27:47 GMT 1
Ed, no probs with positive or negative reviews. But pre seasons can't be useless indicators one week and then the opposite the next. FFS Ant you are beginning to sound like Paul. Lets look at what I wrote after Fridays game: "It was only a friendly but if the Town are to end up in the top half of the league there is a lot of improvement needed." "Yes it's a friendly but I suspect that Turner has a lot more questions to answer this morning than he thought he had yesterday morning. Last nights performance if repeated in the league would see the town struggling at the wrong end of the league. " Similar comments are in Turner's post match comments. All the other comments were about how the game was played on Friday night, you were at the match how many of my points would you disagree with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2011 17:43:21 GMT 1
Ed, no probs with positive or negative reviews. But pre seasons can't be useless indicators one week and then the opposite the next. FFS Ant you are beginning to sound like Paul. Lets look at what I wrote after Fridays game: "It was only a friendly but if the Town are to end up in the top half of the league there is a lot of improvement needed." "Yes it's a friendly but I suspect that Turner has a lot more questions to answer this morning than he thought he had yesterday morning. Last nights performance if repeated in the league would see the town struggling at the wrong end of the league. " Similar comments are in Turner's post match comments. All the other comments were about how the game was played on Friday night, you were at the match how many of my points would you disagree with. You don't quite get it do you? The issue is not the performance against Tranmere in a friendly.............. the point is why now do you see this as significant when against Wolves and Man Utd you refused to attach any significance to the good performances and results
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