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May 15, 2011 19:44:45 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on May 15, 2011 19:44:45 GMT 1
thats my whole point i would guess torquay will be working all week on us possibly having an unsettled back 4 without sharps
they may even start with a stronger defence
but would they be prepared for 3 up top ?
i know its all hypothetical as turner will start 4-4-2
it just seems time after time teams work us out as we are so predictable we always start the season on fire, full of new ideas etc but soon get sussed out
one thing is for sure, if i was torquay manager i would prefer town to start 4-4-2 and i'd be rubbing my hands if its collins & harrold again
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May 15, 2011 19:47:57 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2011 19:47:57 GMT 1
thats my whole point i would guess torquay will be working all week on us possibly having an unsettled back 4 without sharps they may even start with a stronger defence but would they be prepared for 3 up top ? i know its all hypothetical as turner will start 4-4-2 it just seems time after time teams work us out as we are so predictable we always start the season on fire, full of new ideas etc but soon get sussed out one thing is for sure, if i was torquay manager i would prefer town to start 4-4-2 and i'd be rubbing my hands if its collins & harrold again The several teams we beat in our storming end to the season couldn't have watched the DVDs then Pilch
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May 15, 2011 20:10:29 GMT 1
Post by shrewblue on May 15, 2011 20:10:29 GMT 1
Like the idea of 4-1-4-1 for a period of the game with wingers getting forward to support the lone attacker and someone like Mcintyre sitting in in front of the defence...if you look how we have lined up in the other three games against Torquay we have been far too open in defence to a committed attacking team like Torquay
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May 15, 2011 20:19:24 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on May 15, 2011 20:19:24 GMT 1
Like the idea of 4-1-4-1 for a period of the game with wingers getting forward to support the lone attacker and someone like Mcintyre sitting in in front of the defence...if you look how we have lined up in the other three games against Torquay we have been far too open in defence to a committed attacking team like Torquay thats very nearly the 5-4-1 i joked about
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May 15, 2011 22:01:12 GMT 1
Post by shrewblue on May 15, 2011 22:01:12 GMT 1
True Pilch you jested and obviously perceive it as negative, but if it stops them scoring and we get that early goal it willl frustrate them and I suspect they may make errors which will allow us to revert to a more attacking formation later in the game to seize the initiative and drive home an advantage....in essence the first 30 minutes are crucial to get and advantage but not drop too 3-0 on aggregate
At the end of the day it's all hyperthetical the closing down and work ethic and effort will be crucial as well as a bit of luck!!
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May 15, 2011 22:15:28 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on May 15, 2011 22:15:28 GMT 1
if we were 2-0 i might agree with you
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May 16, 2011 8:30:17 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:30:17 GMT 1
i know its all hypothetical as turner will start 4-4-2 You're probably right there Pilch!!
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May 16, 2011 8:54:12 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on May 16, 2011 8:54:12 GMT 1
In two minds about this. First off I am thinking that you don’t go making any changes in such a crucial game, it would be crazy to gamble at such a time and we should keep to what has got us to our highest points haul in many a year. But then I am so worried that Torquay really do have our number and as we haven’t managed to beat them yet this season, we’ve scored just the one goal against them (conceded 8) you do feel that we must try something different. Who’d be a manager. Really got his work cut out this week has GT. First he’s got to pick the lads up and he’s also got to find a way to beat Torquay…which we seem incapable of. Ho hum.
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May 16, 2011 10:43:21 GMT 1
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 16, 2011 10:43:21 GMT 1
I don't think tinkering with the system is wise when we are facing a pressure situation, the players need to be in roles they know and are comfortable with.
The problem isn't so much the system as the way the players play and the personnel picked to play it.
We have to gamble on using our match winners. I'd start Ainsworth in place of Taylor and use Bradshaw to partner Collins. I'm not convinced by Collins, but think that Branson would much rather mark Harrold than him.
However, defence is the big headache, given the doubts about Sharps and Raven, and I'm curious as to why Lomax has not been considered.
We've come back from unpromising positions before and it could be Torquays turn to freeze on Friday.
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May 21, 2011 12:32:42 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on May 21, 2011 12:32:42 GMT 1
so i said go 3 at the back
drop grandison
and attack from the start
whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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May 21, 2011 13:32:48 GMT 1
Post by champagneprince on May 21, 2011 13:32:48 GMT 1
I was disappointed that it was Harrold and Ainsworth up front. The Collins and Bradshaw partnership has been best for us this season IMO, so I didn't understand the reasoning behind it at all.
If GT wanted to change it to be 'less predictable' then I agree with Pilch that 3 up front would've been a better option. It was a strange choice and it clearly didn't work, so I was also a little bemused as to why the partnership wasn't changed at half time.
I like Harrold as a player, on his day, against teams who have difficulty against players like him, he is top notch. The danger of playing him is that he becomes too much of a focal point and the things we have done well all season, keeping it on the floor, tend to go out of the window. It's an easy option for players to lob it up to the big man, they become lazy in their passing and all those good 'pass and move' that have been worked on and developed successfully can get forgotten.
We've all played football and know that it's the easy option to target the big man up front when what we should be doing is the things that have made us successful.
Harrold up front works, but not against teams like Torquay, who had defenders well capable of controlling him. I think Turner just felt it was a big game and he wanted 'experience' on the pitch, but for me he was wrong on this occasion. Three up front may well have taken the burden away from Harrold up front and prevented our players from targetting him.
The work rate was tremendous today and the players looked knackered at the end. But Torquay would've loved GT's team selection IMO instead of being scared of us. As I said in another thread we were only 2-0 down not 6 and I think we missed an opportunity to really have a good go at them.
I'm disappointed, but we've had a great season and it's looking great for next season and beyond. Jon Taylors post match comments were really positive and showed what a great set up we've got.
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