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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 21:58:55 GMT 1
Just a thought but would this Jefreen Holdings have anything to do with the surrounding land that is attached to the site of the club, something like 20+acres so I was led to believe - barking up the wrong tree perhaps but as I said.....just a thought. Barking up the wrong tree mate on this one. See you Friday!
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Post by Jonah on May 18, 2011 22:19:36 GMT 1
Just a thought but would this Jefreen Holdings have anything to do with the surrounding land that is attached to the site of the club, something like 20+acres so I was led to believe - barking up the wrong tree perhaps but as I said.....just a thought. Barking up the wrong tree mate on this one. See you Friday! Very bold statement Ant. So who does own it then?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 0:38:16 GMT 1
i may be missing the point but why has this thread been moved?
Just because the club wanted it removed?
Isn't this an independent message board? Its not as if someone has been "named and shamed", or potential libel has been posted.
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Post by shrewsTRUST on May 19, 2011 0:52:17 GMT 1
Barking up the wrong tree mate on this one. See you Friday! Very bold statement Ant. So who does own it then? from what i hear, the answer has already been covered in one of the threads today. interestingly its the middle word of my username
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Post by WindsorShrew on May 19, 2011 12:07:23 GMT 1
i may be missing the point but why has this thread been moved? Just because the club wanted it removed? Isn't this an independent message board? Its not as if someone has been "named and shamed", or potential libel has been posted. I think Rob that Glyn removed the post of his own accord within the realms of the Moderator, I have no problem with that.
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Post by Pilch on May 19, 2011 12:12:10 GMT 1
bottom line is the whole panic was nothing to do with our club having anything to hide, they don't it was a worry that someone in particular started the thread (thats my opinion) public domain or not its not something either b&a or the club would want happening so it was moved (we quickly worked out it was just an average town fan) there was no point moving it back as it was already being debated on a repeat thread conspiracy over sorry maybe our club over react a little at times but far better than supporting one that wear blinkers i'm 100% behind RW
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2011 12:55:51 GMT 1
I think the reason for being cautious was that this information regarding a family trust has been in a public domain for a considerable amount of time, yet suddenly it explodes from nowhere, with all kinds of implied accusations, in the same week we have our most important game for 2 years and the same time former employees of STFC takeover a local rival.
There was plenty to be suspicious about.
I personally don't know why the original poster made such a big deal about being anonymous. There is no problem is asking that question. It has not been hidden. The shareholding has been in the shareholders list for months and the explanation on the club website for months.
So why all the cloaks and daggers and intrigue by the poster? Exactly the same thing they are accusing the club of?
If they are scared of being known to the club I will ring Martin James myself and ask him for an explanation.
The club are saying they have nothing to hide, and neither does a fan asking an honest question.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on May 19, 2011 13:10:33 GMT 1
It's fair enough the club saying that a RW trust holds shares, but the original poster was questioning why the major shareholder on our annual return is named as a company that doesn't exsist. If the person who own 100% of this said named company, and they also hold shares in another football club, it's against the rules. The fact we can't check who the shareholders of this company are, is the worry. I assume everything is fine as the football league will have looked into this.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 19, 2011 13:16:08 GMT 1
I assume everything is fine as the football league will have looked into this. Do they know who owns Leeds or Crawley? Or Notts County last season?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2011 13:16:39 GMT 1
It is not a company that does not exist.
It is a family trust that is registered overseas.
As many family trusts are. That is kind of the point of them.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 19, 2011 13:33:25 GMT 1
Is it a company or a trust?
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Post by cypher on May 19, 2011 13:35:11 GMT 1
Throb - Explaination, where is it? I dont see any explaination or openess about this shareholder whatsoever other than people presuming things are as they should be, just because somebody says so, where is the proof in documentary form, a court requires real evidence, not hearsay, so where is the evidence? the burden of proof is with the shareholder, its not up to me to prove anything, they have all the info, i have nothing, im not the one being secretive about my finances or business interests.
Please feel free to contact the club and ask for full disclosure, im sure many of us would be very reassured by it, a man of your stature should get results. My own questions have been rebuffed, due to remaining anonymous.
Regards my own wish to be anonymous, that is a right i have and wish to maintain, purely for my own unselfish reasons which have nothing to do with any cloak & dagger operation, grudge or other conspiratorial reason touted by others on here and the club itself through email correspondence.
My identity is irrelevant, mainly because i do not have an interest in either the club or any of the supporters groups and never have so no conflict of interest arises, and secondly, what difference does it make if my name is John Doe or Mr Smith, what really matters is transparency by those that DO have an interest in the running and ownership of the football club, a public company lets not forget.
I think that way too much emphasis is being given to the witch hunt to uncover my identity (The MODS know who i am already and its really no big deal) the real effort should be put into getting full disclosure from the controlling and majority shareholder of the football club who at the moment is cloaked in secrecy and is totally unaccountable to the fans.
That seems like a bad situation to be in if you ask me, i would expect groups like the trust should really take more of an active interest in who exactly the shareholders of this secretive company are, for all we know , there could be any number of shady characters with a stake in this company, or it could just be Roland and everything is fine and dandy.
The problem is, that without full disclosure NOBODY knows, i have seen no documented evidence that backs up any of the presumptions people are making regards a family trust, likewise i see no documentary evidence that supports any other view or opinion and herein lies the problem.
Jefreen Holdings Limited , i would argue, are under an obligation to the fans and other shareholders to disclose fully the Directorships, shareholders and shareholdings, its accounts and its legal entity, they should and need to be put to proof.
Thats just my opinion though as a fan.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on May 19, 2011 19:30:41 GMT 1
As my name has been mentioned I just wanted to add the following: 1) I have nothing but trust in My Wycherley, and the Current Board. I believe that without the commitment from My Wycherley and Mr Sayfritz, especially in securing the new stadium, that this club would have been in serious financial trouble along time ago, and possible in a similar state to those clubs around us that have 'fallen by the wayside'. 2) The information that has been stated has been in the public domain way before the current events at Wrexham AFC highlighted it, and didnt concern me then, and doesn't now. 3) I'm disappointed that events at Wrexham AFC seem to be affecting the mindset of some supporters, when really all we should be thinking about is what we as supporters need to do to help the team beat Torquay United tomorrow night. 4) I am committed to 'supporters representation', and 'community ownership' of all football clubs. I believe in the fairness and openess that this can bring. The mother body of shrewsTRUST - Supporters Direct is currently submitting papers to the Football Governance Committee. I would urge all Shrewsbury Town supporters to download and read these documents because they are at the heart of what I believe. www.supporters-direct.org/news/item.asp?n=12731&cat=sd_engI hope one day that Shrewsbury Town is a club owned by its fans and the community in a sustainable way. But I dont see the need for this right now. However in the future I would hope all fans believe that this is the way forward. 5) Maybe this highlights the need for understanding of the situation, and I look forward to seeing that clarification, in due course, but again, I stress, nothing that I'm seeing concerns me, or should concern fans. And again, I stress the need to get focused on the game tomorrow. 6) I am disappointed that the Wrexham Supporters Trust failed in their bid to buy their football club as I believe this would have been the most sustainable progression for the football club there. Cypher if you want to talk about this issue I am more than willing to meet you for a beer (after this weekend - ok!). As Dave said loads of people know us, so you could be anyone. I hope you would want to join your Supporters Trust if you believe that strongly about fans representation and community ownership. One thing I will say is this. Although I want 'sustainable spectator sports clubs based on supporters’ involvement and community ownership’, I dont see the need to start a revolution on what I've seen discussed on this board, or in the public domain. In fact I hope the current board carry on for many years to come and reap the succes they so richly deserve. I hope very much that shrewsTRUST works with the club, in representing the community to take the club forward, and over time is able to buy shares and build up a real community/ fan ownership. That should defintely be our goal. Trust us, if we thought anything was wrong, we'd say so. As would Blue and Amber and other Supporters Groups. Its not, lets get on with supporting the lads and celebrating Town's 125 tomorrow. Doesnt mean we cant challenge and question, but I dont think the answers we need are required in a hurry, and again certainly not affecting tomorrow's game. These are my views, and not necessarily those of the shrewsTRUST (and please dont get all conspiracy theory on that one! Rather respond as my name has been quoted in this thread). As ever from the heart, with Blue and Amber in my mind! Ade Plimmer - COYB!!!
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