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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 21:30:33 GMT 1
congratulate our biggest rivals Not everyone considers Telford to hold such an elevated status. Quite right.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 21:38:08 GMT 1
Feedo Gnasher and Ned discuss their delight at seeing local rivals Telford promoted. "A great game to listen to", remarks Feedo. "I agree, old chap! Very pleased for them" replies Ned. Did you take the photo? (as it looks like an all seater venue)
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Post by Liam on May 16, 2011 21:54:34 GMT 1
No way in hell are Telford our biggest rivals. By that logic Rushden and Diamonds are Northampton's arch-nemeses.
Telford belong in the Conference - it's what their size and history merits - a largeish, part-time, non-league team.
I don't mind them being back there, but I wouldn't wish them any higher.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on May 17, 2011 3:42:20 GMT 1
I'd agree that some of the back slapping for Telford on this thread has gone too far. But if we're going to be stuck at the bottom of the football league for the rest of time (as is looking likely,) then I'd rather an actual derby than more enthralling encounters with the likes of Morecambe and Barnet.
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Post by mrbunny on May 17, 2011 7:40:56 GMT 1
I can fully understand some fans not wanting to congratulate them but personally i don't see them as rivals. We have only played them a handful of times in competitive matches in the 30 years i have been following Town so it is hard to have that much hatred for them for a one off season. I don't see Hereford as rivals either for the record, our rivals to me are Walsall and Wrexham and they are the only real ones, any others like Vale and Hereford are just plastic bandwagon jumpers.
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Post by shrewinjapan on May 17, 2011 8:11:21 GMT 1
Agree with Mr. Bunny that the Gippos and their are our only real rivals but I can still spare some bile for Tinpot. The scumbags are back to the level the size of their club warrants I guess, but I'll be damned if I will congratulate them for it. I hope they rot at the bottom of the BSP or better still quickly slip back down to the pub league they have just barely managed to escape from.
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Post by ssshrew on May 17, 2011 9:09:45 GMT 1
I wish them well. They have survived one of the worst things that can happen to a club (rotten financial investment). It's got to be good for Shropshire football as a whole. The only down side for me is that Andy Sinton will bore on for even longer on Radio Shropshire in the post match interview using two dozen words when one would do!
As I've said before on here, for us in the south of the county believe me Hereford are very natural rivals but I must admit to still having a great dislike of Walsall purely because they were the first local rivals when I started supporting the Town.
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Post by shrew4life on May 17, 2011 10:23:54 GMT 1
I went to the game with a few friends as I had nothing to do. Telford started off well but after the first 20 minutes up until the last 15-20 minutes they were generally useless and are going to have to improve to stay in the conference. As previous posters have said it's good that they are back at their level but I don't want them any higher.
I do find it hard to imagine that their message board would be quite so positive to one of our promotions. We haven't played them competitively in years and although rivals you do forget about them but there were quite a few Shrewsbury chants from them through out the game, I didn't realise they still hated us that much.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 10:35:02 GMT 1
Just to clarify: I obviously don't mean 'biggest rivals' in historical football terms. I'm well aware that we've basically never played them competitively.
However, there is definitely a genuine hostility between us which frankly doesn't exist when we play the likes of Hereford and Wrexham. I'd say the rivalry runs deeper than football and probably has a socioeconomic basis.
Nevertheless, I find the back-slapping efforts of some on here to be an embarrassment. The majority of Telford fans loathe us as a football club. I don't care how effective their trust has been, or about the (dubious) benefits for 'football in Shropshire'. Why congratulate them?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 17, 2011 10:38:23 GMT 1
Because they've achieved something worthy of a "well done"?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 10:50:16 GMT 1
Because they've achieved something worthy of a "well done"? You just don't get it, do you? It's not appropriate. Are you going to congratulate the Third Reich for their economic efficiency too?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 17, 2011 11:01:09 GMT 1
Because they've achieved something worthy of a "well done"? You just don't get it, do you? It's not appropriate. Are you going to congratulate the Third Reich for their economic efficiency too? In my opinion there's a difference between saying "fair play, well done", to wishing them every success in the future. I'm not into the game of being bitter or hateful just for the sake of it, I'll leave that to the Telford fans, always living in the shadow of their bigger and more illustrious neighbours
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Post by mattmw on May 17, 2011 11:31:39 GMT 1
Don't see anything wrong with congratulating Telford - have come back well from the position they were left in seven years ago, and seem to be run in a good fashion by people who care about the club and do decent work to link the club to the community. The fact the club might attract a few undesirables doesn't really come into it for me - let's face it after the Oxford game a bet a few of their fans went away wondering what sort of fans support us
Don't know whether it's just Shrewsbury being a provincial side but I sometimes think we define ourselves more by disliking othersides and enjoying them fail more than we do celebrating our own achievements
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Post by Mike Claridge on May 18, 2011 7:35:22 GMT 1
Thanks for all the good wishes and, even to those who've moaned and groaned and wished us ill, good luck for Friday (and the final) Yes, we will indeed be a small fish in a big pond in many senses, although if we even keep our average attendance from this season we'll be about the tenth best supported I think. The real challenge will be on the pitch of course and, rightly, we're staying part time. Interestingly Alfreton are going full time which brings me to the point of budgets. I see someone commented on us being "just" runners-up despite having the biggest budget. Not true. Certainly both Alfreton and our opponents last Sunday, Guiseley, have considerably bigger playing budgets. In Guiseley's case that's on an average attendance of 430. How come? Big money on the Board. Guiseley have three millionaire's on theirs chucking wads of money at it. Their a good team, arguably the best on the day on Sunday for much of the match, and won't be far away next season. Alfreton's budget is bigger still. Last season's champions, Fleetwood, made the Conference Premier Play Offs and their Chairman has said he's "going to throw the cheque book at it next season"! Madness. It's always sobering to see what's happening in the Conference Premier. Wrexham are still a shaky ship financially although seemingly safe for now. The biggest mess though is the train crash that is Rushden and Diamonds who almost certainly will not be playing Conference (Premier, North or South) football next season and are considered by many of their fans to be dead in the water. At least that would reprieve Southport, always a good away day and top fans to meet up with. You'll probably have a view on it but, according to some of their fans, Stockport are in free fall so it'll be interesting to see what happens with them. We've played quite a few of the Conference Premier in the last two or three years; Lincoln, Cambridge Utd, York City, Forest Green and Darlington as well playing others when they were in our division; Barrow, Gateshead, Southport, Fleetwood, Kettering, Tamworth and of course Alfreton. So it's not entirely unfamiliar territory. Anyway good luck for Friday!
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Post by kuffdam72 on May 18, 2011 9:02:05 GMT 1
Thanks for all the good wishes and, even to those who've moaned and groaned and wished us ill, good luck for Friday (and the final) Yes, we will indeed be a small fish in a big pond in many senses, although if we even keep our average attendance from this season we'll be about the tenth best supported I think. The real challenge will be on the pitch of course and, rightly, we're staying part time. Interestingly Alfreton are going full time which brings me to the point of budgets. I see someone commented on us being "just" runners-up despite having the biggest budget. Not true. Certainly both Alfreton and our opponents last Sunday, Guiseley, have considerably bigger playing budgets. In Guiseley's case that's on an average attendance of 430. How come? Big money on the Board. Guiseley have three millionaire's on theirs chucking wads of money at it. Their a good team, arguably the best on the day on Sunday for much of the match, and won't be far away next season. Alfreton's budget is bigger still. Last season's champions, Fleetwood, made the Conference Premier Play Offs and their Chairman has said he's "going to throw the cheque book at it next season"! Madness. It's always sobering to see what's happening in the Conference Premier. Wrexham are still a shaky ship financially although seemingly safe for now. The biggest mess though is the train crash that is Rushden and Diamonds who almost certainly will not be playing Conference (Premier, North or South) football next season and are considered by many of their fans to be dead in the water. At least that would reprieve Southport, always a good away day and top fans to meet up with. You'll probably have a view on it but, according to some of their fans, Stockport are in free fall so it'll be interesting to see what happens with them. We've played quite a few of the Conference Premier in the last two or three years; Lincoln, Cambridge Utd, York City, Forest Green and Darlington as well playing others when they were in our division; Barrow, Gateshead, Southport, Fleetwood, Kettering, Tamworth and of course Alfreton. So it's not entirely unfamiliar territory. Anyway good luck for Friday! Shut up and go and count your roundabouts .
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Post by Pilch on May 18, 2011 11:23:56 GMT 1
football is all about banter and there is nothing like a derby
rivals are only rivals when they are within touching distance its no fun when they are so much higher or so much lower
hereford, crewe & vale are our rivals at the moment
wolves, villa, telford, baggies, chester almost all forgotten
i wish them all the best of luck if they are below us and want them relegated if they are above us most of all i want to play them and beat them
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Post by SheffieldShrew on May 18, 2011 11:53:30 GMT 1
If we were to pull off promotion you can be sure there won't be a similar thread on bucks chat congratulating us. Sickening stuff!
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Post by blue and ambar on May 18, 2011 12:39:33 GMT 1
Kids born in Wellington and Leegomery might choose to follow Salop if Telford are playing well down the pyramid, but more likely to go for the Duck's Shed lot now. I'm with Kuffdam and BB - **** off Telford Talk about supporting your local club. Don't know how much of towns support comes from the Telford area but I doubt many of those that support town now are going to defect closer to home. As for the kids, why shouldnt they support their local side? There are plenty of kids with premiership shirts on and although its on a different scale its the same principle. We are quite lucky that the nearest premiership sides Stoke and Wolves are over 30 miles away. If the main concern is a non-league side getting a few fans off us then we arent doing badly. Havent really got a problem with them really. Have done well to get back so soon and are proberly at the level where they belong, certainly if they stay part time. As long as we beat them when we play and stay above them then good luck to em.
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Post by neilsalop on May 18, 2011 14:09:31 GMT 1
Thank you all for your very kind words !!!!!!!!I hope that we Telford fans will be singing your praises next Friday !!!!! Its half time ,and you will do it !!!!!!!!!! Good luck ...(ahem) ...Breathe on em Salop!!!!! ... now quick , pass me the soap lol A Tinpot fan with kowledge of soap Although I despise Tinpot more than any other local(ish) club, I must admit that they have done well to rise back up to their original level in such a short time. I do think that they will struggle next season against full time clubs. I heard from a Tinpot supporter at work that Carter will be looking to step down as soon as possible and that the club were looking for investors. Surely it would be better to run the club on a relative shoestring for a few years in the BSP and raise the club slowly rather than risk another Andy Shaw scenario. Maybe one of our visiting Tinpot fans could clear this up.
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Post by africanshrew on May 18, 2011 14:23:59 GMT 1
Don't see anything wrong with congratulating Telford Aren't you the same chap that has repeatedly defended the antagonistic behaviour of radical Muslims? With respect, it clearly takes a lot to rattle your cage. I doubt you'd even bat an eyelid if Torquay supporters torched the North Stand on Friday evening. And clearly you get rattled by quite a lot! What next, days of the week ending in Y?! "They come over here filling our week with their unecessary consonants, stealing our jobs, hanging round in gangs of seven grr..." Well done Teford!
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Post by shrewsace on May 18, 2011 18:28:22 GMT 1
Kids born in Wellington and Leegomery might choose to follow Salop if Telford are playing well down the pyramid, but more likely to go for the Duck's Shed lot now. I'm with Kuffdam and BB - **** off Telford Talk about supporting your local club. Don't know how much of towns support comes from the Telford area but I doubt many of those that support town now are going to defect closer to home. As for the kids, why shouldnt they support their local side? There are plenty of kids with premiership shirts on and although its on a different scale its the same principle. We are quite lucky that the nearest premiership sides Stoke and Wolves are over 30 miles away. If the main concern is a non-league side getting a few fans off us then we arent doing badly. Havent really got a problem with them really. Have done well to get back so soon and are proberly at the level where they belong, certainly if they stay part time. As long as we beat them when we play and stay above them then good luck to em. Well, I've got some very young nephews in that neck of the woods and hope one day I might persuade them to follow the Town, not the Tinpot! As A Shrewsbury fan I want to see us remain the biggest and most high profile club in Shropshire, the progress of Telford and their ambitions of playing in League Two means this isn't assured. You say 'as long as we beat them when we play them and stay above them' - have you forgotten the Conference season so easily? We played them three times (not including the SSC) and didn't beat them once. Fortunately the went bust and their left back signed for us and scored the penalty that took us back to the league. Good times. Do you get United fans offering City warm congratulations on their FA Cup win, Everton fans praising King Kenny...Ipswich having a promotion love in with Norwich, Portsmouth and Southampton fans getting on like a house on fire? No. Because we all want to be the top dogs on our own patch. Telford have done well, that's obvious but I won't share in the celebrations, thanks.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 18, 2011 19:29:42 GMT 1
Do you get United fans offering City warm congratulations on their FA Cup win, Everton fans praising King Kenny...Ipswich having a promotion love in with Norwich, Portsmouth and Southampton fans getting on like a house on fire? Wrong analogy, it's like United and City fans congratulating Bury on their promotion - a condescending gesture towards a local club who are not real competition and are unlikely ever to be. If I were a Telford fan I'd be annoyed at being patronised by fans of a bigger club. However, I'd but happy at the fact some other fans of that club actually think that they are enough of a rival to express their dislike. That's a City/United relationship.
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Post by blue and ambar on May 18, 2011 19:31:11 GMT 1
What I should of said was I want us to stay above them and beat them when they play us. Unfortunately when they did play us we werent able to beat them but we have always stayed above them.
However I have no real problem with them, which is one of the reasons I am not bothered by the Shropshire Senior Cup.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 18, 2011 19:31:23 GMT 1
Because they've achieved something worthy of a "well done"? You just don't get it, do you? It's not appropriate. Are you going to congratulate the Third Reich for their economic efficiency too? Errr Guess what? No!
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Post by shrewsace on May 18, 2011 21:30:09 GMT 1
Do you get United fans offering City warm congratulations on their FA Cup win, Everton fans praising King Kenny...Ipswich having a promotion love in with Norwich, Portsmouth and Southampton fans getting on like a house on fire? Wrong analogy, it's like United and City fans congratulating Bury on their promotion - a condescending gesture towards a local club who are not real competition and are unlikely ever to be. If I were a Telford fan I'd be annoyed at being patronised by fans of a bigger club. However, I'd but happy at the fact some other fans of that club actually think that they are enough of a rival to express their dislike. That's a City/United relationship. City may now be in a position to challenge United, but not so long ago they were playing in the third tier while United dominated domestically and lorded it in Europe. I think United fans still expressed their dislike, despite the lack of threat City posed at that point. Like I say, we all want to be top dog on our own patch.
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Post by Dale on May 18, 2011 22:00:34 GMT 1
Got no problem with Tinpot in the Conference or even if they get promoted to League 2 and we can have a 'proper derby' with them if we still happen to be in that league, as long as they know their place and realise that they must never play in a higher league than us
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 18, 2011 22:56:42 GMT 1
Wrong analogy, it's like United and City fans congratulating Bury on their promotion - a condescending gesture towards a local club who are not real competition and are unlikely ever to be. If I were a Telford fan I'd be annoyed at being patronised by fans of a bigger club. However, I'd but happy at the fact some other fans of that club actually think that they are enough of a rival to express their dislike. That's a City/United relationship. City may now be in a position to challenge United, but not so long ago they were playing in the third tier while United dominated domestically and lorded it in Europe. I think United fans still expressed their dislike, despite the lack of threat City posed at that point. Like I say, we all want to be top dog on our own patch. City had been League and FA Cup winners in the (fairly) recent past and had been the big club in Manchester before the Busby era. Whereas Wellington Town/Telford have been at an inferior level to us for all but 1 season in our respective histories.
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Post by shrewsace on May 19, 2011 13:27:18 GMT 1
City may now be in a position to challenge United, but not so long ago they were playing in the third tier while United dominated domestically and lorded it in Europe. I think United fans still expressed their dislike, despite the lack of threat City posed at that point. Like I say, we all want to be top dog on our own patch. City had been League and FA Cup winners in the (fairly) recent past and had been the big club in Manchester before the Busby era. Whereas Wellington Town/Telford have been at an inferior level to us for all but 1 season in our respective histories. I take your point, but when I started going to Town games in the 80s, who would've guessed clubs like Yeovil and Wycombe would over take us, or Stevenage and Accrington would be close competitors. Clubs like Boston, Rushden and Diamonds and Dagenham and Redbridge have also bettered us over recent times, if only temporarily. I don't think we can take it for granted we will continue to be the top club in Shropshire in the years to come. I'm not having sleepless nights over it just yet, but it's not that improbable that Telford could be competing at the same level as us at some point over the next ten/twenty years. Part of me can see the appeal of a Shropshire derby contested on more equal terms, would certainly be interesting, but that doesn't mean I cheer Telford on in their exploits!
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Post by venceremos on May 19, 2011 13:47:38 GMT 1
I'm inclined to agree. I've reread this thread and it honestly gets worse with every viewing. The Jam Sandwich Brigade have really surpassed themselves this time. You're a Morrissey fan, I'm inclined to agree with you on that alone Surely not a johnny come lately Morrissey fan? Well wouldn't that just be ironic! But, if so, you'll be relieved to learn I don't have a problem with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 13:51:47 GMT 1
Surely not a johnny come lately Morrissey fan? Well wouldn't that just be ironic! Are you talking to me?
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