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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 21:57:13 GMT 1
The Manchester derby played in London. You could argue there isn't a big enough neutral venue in the North to accommodate both sets of fans who would want to see it. And the FA need to recoup some of their 737 million spent on the 'new' Wembley - especially after having spent several more millions on replacement pitches. But as a Bolton fan, I'm well miffed at having to go down there for the Stoke game when Old Trafford is plenty big enough and a suitable neutral ground. Surely, there should be provisions set aside for fixtures such as this? Or am I being cynical and thinking fans opinions don't count for anything these days?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 22:00:02 GMT 1
The last time Manchester City and Manchester United went up against eachother in an FA Cup Semi-Final was in 1926, Manchester City beat them 3-0 but went on to lose 1-0 to Bolton Wanderers in the Final.. Interesting!
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Mar 13, 2011 22:02:56 GMT 1
I know you're a Bolton fan Martin but I'd love to see Stoke win the cup this year but on the other hand it would be ftting in the year that Nat Lofthouse passed away for Bolton to lift the famous old trophy.........
As Harry Hiill would say ''There's only 1 way to find out.....fight!!''
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Post by Ned on Mar 13, 2011 22:11:29 GMT 1
It'll be Stoke or Bolton's cup, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 22:12:51 GMT 1
hope ours is on the Saturday, but the TV companies will decide making it yet another occasion where fans will be expected to suffer the inconveniences of tea time kick offs, and heading 200 miles back up North on a school night if it's to be played on the Sunday!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 13, 2011 23:05:23 GMT 1
[/img][/quote] Not being cynical - fans opinions DON'T count for anything at that level any more. Manchester teams playing in London will only help the 'real' fans, not quite so far for most of them to travel
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 13, 2011 23:08:02 GMT 1
Basically whoever wins in the Bolton Stoke semi is gonna be in Europe next season aren't they as both Manc clubs will have already qualified through the league.
On the subject of the semis being at wembley, it is quite odd, but then again as pointed out is there another venue in england where as many fans of both clubs could go to? It will be a long journey but more people will be able to see it as a result...
Don't think the semi's should really be at Wembley myself, however on some occasions it's justifed - prime example being the 91 semi final between Spurs and Arsenal, but then again they were two london clubs so having a a semi final in london is the most sensible option in that case
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Post by Pilch on Mar 13, 2011 23:25:02 GMT 1
It'll be Stoke or Bolton's cup, I think. And when the draw for the 6th round was made you said either united or city would win I'm sure you contradict on purpose at times
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Post by Pilch on Mar 13, 2011 23:29:21 GMT 1
The Manchester derby played in London. You could argue there isn't a big enough neutral venue in the North to accommodate both sets of fans who would want to see it. And the FA need to recoup some of their 737 million spent on the 'new' Wembley - especially after having spent several more millions on replacement pitches. But as a Bolton fan, I'm well miffed at having to go down there for the Stoke game when Old Trafford is plenty big enough and a suitable neutral ground. Surely, there should be provisions set aside for fixtures such as this? Or am I being cynical and thinking fans opinions don't count for anything these days? [img src="http://www.shropshire.btinternet.co.uk/smiley/ www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0223.gif"].gif [/img][/quote] When the fa had a brain they used to pick the semi final venues after the draw, at a venue to suit both sets of fans wasn't it a club from that area that brought in the wembley semi for both games ? Sure it was someone like Oldham. Who moaned saying it wasn't fair and they wanted to play there as well as the other semi, and they got the nod
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Post by Myddleshrew on Mar 14, 2011 0:37:15 GMT 1
Tbh Semis should nt be played at Wembley the should find a neutral venue. Before if you were playing at Wembley it was a final not a semi just the FA money grabbing.
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Post by grinfish on Mar 14, 2011 0:53:19 GMT 1
Easy. Old Trafford for Bolton vs Stoke Elland Road for City vs United
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Post by Pilch on Mar 14, 2011 1:21:09 GMT 1
Surely accys ground would do the job
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Post by Myddleshrew on Mar 14, 2011 1:48:43 GMT 1
The FA cup weekend will be most expensive ever to police.
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Post by froggy on Mar 14, 2011 2:01:14 GMT 1
At least it won't be too much hastle for United fans to head up north for this fixture.
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Post by stockportershrew on Mar 14, 2011 10:36:46 GMT 1
Easy. Elland Road for City vs United Anfield's quite handy as well
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Post by siabod on Mar 14, 2011 10:41:35 GMT 1
The FA cup weekend will be most expensive ever to police. Thought the police said the Manchester semi.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 14, 2011 10:42:27 GMT 1
I think it is a bit of a shame that the semi final derby will be more of an event than the final.
Having said that the FA do have to pay for Wembley, so you can understand the decision.
And it does mean 92,000 can watch the game rather than 50,000. That is at least 30,000 spectators (excluding club wembley seats etc) of both clubs who may have to travel but at least they get to see the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 11:02:40 GMT 1
I think it is a bit of a shame that the semi final derby will be more of an event than the final. Having said that the FA do have to pay for Wembley, so you can understand the decision. And it does mean 92,000 can watch the game rather than 50,000. That is at least 30,000 spectators (excluding club wembley seats etc) of both clubs who may have to travel but at least they get to see the game. Dave: Bolton & Stoke get 33000 apiece for Wembley. Rest for corporates, club Wembley and associate FAs. Old Trafford holds 76000 so still room for 10000 dignitaries. Rip off tickets prices, car parking food etc, but common sense goes out the window where the filthy lucre is concerned. 40 mins from Stoke, 20 from Bolton - ridiculous really. Still, wont groan about going down there again in May
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Post by siabod on Mar 14, 2011 11:03:03 GMT 1
At least it won't be too much hastle for United fans to head up north for this fixture. They probably have as many locals as City, but never understand why it is a problem to other people who supports who. We all are supposed to have freedom of choice, I have supported STFC for 65 years and followed Man U for almost as long, my son and grandsons are avid Man U fans and yes they do have as much feeling for the club as you do for yours, yes they do hurt when they lose but why should their (and other supporters of course) have to justify which team they choose to support. My son in law supports Chelsea and has done for many years, long before the big money days whilst another family member is an avid Everton fan, if we all supported the same club life would be very dull.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 14, 2011 11:06:45 GMT 1
Its great that’ll we’ll have either Bolton or Stoke in the final anyhows (hope it’s the latter). Would have preferred that to be the final to be honest. Has a real old school feel about the fixture. With Bolton or Stoke there it should make for a decent atmosphere. Also hope its Manchester City rather than United who make it to the final. I’d much rather have clubs in the final who haven’t been there for a good while. I think it were Everton v Chelsea not long back in the semi and the Everton fans were superb that day. Just think that supporters of clubs like Manchester United, Chelsea and the Arse are so used to making these finals that, for them, the shine has somewhat gone. It’s no longer that big a day out because of the amount of finals they have contested. Doubt that’ll be the case for Bolton, Stoke and Manchester City fans…
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 14, 2011 11:24:23 GMT 1
Stoke vs Man City in the final could be a brutal game
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Post by Pilch on Mar 14, 2011 11:33:27 GMT 1
as usual it only needed a little common sense They could have held it at old Trafford Put united in the away changing rooms and give the fans 50/50
It would be more familiar to city than wembley is United virtually have a home fixture now ;-)
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 14, 2011 11:35:16 GMT 1
If city were given home areas of OT then it would get trashed.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 14, 2011 11:36:08 GMT 1
Stoke vs Man City in the final could be a brutal game Not as brutal as united v Bolton Bit of revenge on the cards ? Rooney to put the keeper in the net ;-)
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Post by islaymalt on Mar 14, 2011 11:40:30 GMT 1
Just think that supporters of clubs like Manchester United, Chelsea and the Arse are so used to making these finals that, for them, the shine has somewhat gone. It’s no longer that big a day out because of the amount of finals they have contested. Sorry Stutty. Don't want to sound paronising but that statement just shows how little you really understand.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Mar 14, 2011 11:54:02 GMT 1
The FA cup weekend will be most expensive ever to police. Luckily the Met will get a good rehersal at next saturdays Spurs v West Ham game - there will most likely be a Car Transporter carrying three Volvo's two Corsair's and a couple of Siera's situation
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Mar 14, 2011 12:02:16 GMT 1
Stoke vs Man City in the final could be a brutal game Yes- the "local derby" at the semi-finals will be very "interesting"- feelings run very high! We were watching the Man City v Reading game yesterday at our daughter's house. Her boyfriend who is an ardent Man United supporter, wouldn't even consider the possibility of City getting to the final!!!!Of course, I have more interest in City, because of "our Joe."
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Post by Pilch on Mar 14, 2011 12:11:42 GMT 1
Just think that supporters of clubs like Manchester United, Chelsea and the Arse are so used to making these finals that, for them, the shine has somewhat gone. It’s no longer that big a day out because of the amount of finals they have contested. Sorry Stutty. Don't want to sound paronising but that statement just shows how little you really understand. That's what thought, I'm hoping we just miss out on the play offs this season I've seen enough recently And wenger is so relieved arsenal lost on Saturday
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 14, 2011 13:09:12 GMT 1
Just think that supporters of clubs like Manchester United, Chelsea and the Arse are so used to making these finals that, for them, the shine has somewhat gone. It’s no longer that big a day out because of the amount of finals they have contested. Sorry Stutty. Don't want to sound paronising but that statement just shows how little you really understand. Thanks for that… I know plenty of Manchester fans and I’d stand by what I say. Also, it were Everton against Manchester I was thinking of in my first post. And the passion and support by the two sets of fans that day were like chalk and cheese. Really don’t need to understand too much to have seen that… I'll wager a fair bit that an FA Cup final will mean more to the supporters of Bolton and Stoke (who haven't been involved at all or for years) than to Manchester United's (who were there the other year and have won a fair bit of late)... Just my opinion like, we can agree to disagree...
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Post by Pilch on Mar 14, 2011 15:50:19 GMT 1
If you dig any deeper stutty you'll be saying united fans would be happy if they did what town did in the Devon cup final and just pull out ;-)
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