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Post by shrewroo on Mar 15, 2011 20:14:22 GMT 1
If the teacher that made the executive decision to delay lunch for the kids had a child of their own in the group, do you think they would have done anything differently? Always good to put yourself in the other person's shoes imo...
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Post by grinfish on Mar 15, 2011 20:39:42 GMT 1
...and wearing a rather special tie, which was likely to impress if you read the writing on it. (He did). Fair play, I haven't seen any Wem Ales memorabilia for a good few years.
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Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2011 20:43:28 GMT 1
I don't. When our daughter was about 8, I was waiting for her by the school gate. When she came out, she was upset. A girl who had just joined the class and suffered from behaviour problems, had got hold of some scissors and taken my daughters cardigan out of her bag and cut it into pieces. I went to see the class teacher and asked why the girl had been unsupervised. Looking down her nose, she replied, "I don't have to explain anything to YOU!". I lost it a bit, but didn't swear or threaten, and left the room. 2 days later, I received an official letter from the school, banning me from the premises, and ordering me not to approach any staff. I rang the school and asked for a meeting with the Head. When I went to the meeting, I was smartly dressed in a dark suit, shiny shoes and wearing a rather special tie, which was likely to impress if you read the writing on it. (He did). Now I've done a bit of speaking, for work, charity and after dinner speaking, so I gave my version of events, which was excepted. I received an apology, and the school offered to pay for a replacement cardigan, but I refused the offer, saying it was a matter of principle. So if you have never been emotionally involved in this kind of situation, you don't understand, to be honest. I've met your sort before..nothing but troublemakers ! As for the original question, strikes me there may be more to this than you are currently aware of. Tread carefully and explain your concerns whilst allowing the school to expand upon it's decision.Then you can properly decide upon a cours eof action.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Mar 15, 2011 21:28:22 GMT 1
I don't have any children yet (am an expectant father) but I don't see why only parents can be qualified to comment on issues where someone is clearly being somewhat OTT - ie. they (mrbunny) are still 'angry' many hours after discovering their son went 1hr extra without a sandwich.
Bringing things like Diabetes into discussion is a bit of a red herring when the child doesn't have it, a child can go without food for an hour just as an adult can. In fact as a kid I remember often going out on bikes/exploring/playing games/footy etc and would often forget to eat anything until eventually going home. I suppose the modern day nanny state would say children have to eat every 5 hours without fail or they might combust.
Most blinkered part is where mrbunny says that anyone without a son can't know about the bond between father and son - except he's forgetting that every male poster on here was once a son with a father.
Honestly think this is a case of something where if it happened to us as kids it wouldn't even be noted, but nowadays people are so oversensitive and wrap kids in cotton wool that any little mistake has them marching up to the school to vent their anger on the teachers. Although I am not referring to Jaytee's incident which is completely different and I understand his viewpoint on that 100%.
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Post by grinfish on Mar 15, 2011 21:38:13 GMT 1
Most blinkered part is where mrbunny says that anyone without a son can't know about the bond between father and son - except he's forgetting that every male poster on here was once a son with a father. Speaking of blinkers, you're dreaming of a model society there. Beyond biological necessity, father and son bonds are rather variable.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Mar 15, 2011 21:56:33 GMT 1
Most blinkered part is where mrbunny says that anyone without a son can't know about the bond between father and son - except he's forgetting that every male poster on here was once a son with a father. Speaking of blinkers, you're dreaming of a model society there. Beyond biological necessity, father and son bonds are rather variable. True enough, but I wasn't talking about society as a whole, just the male posters on B&A - I'd put money that most knew their father and had a father-son relationship.
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Post by shrewsace on Mar 15, 2011 22:01:40 GMT 1
I think Mr Bunny has got a cheek troubling the teachers about any matter of a magnitude not at least equivalent to that old triple whammy of earthquake/tsunami/nuclear meltdown.
I'm sure the teachers will be adopting a similar philosophy when addressing similarly earth shattering matters such as running in the corridors, the wearing of sensible shoes and late homework.
'Please Miss, there are people suffering on the other side of the world and you want to have a word about my F-minus?No perspective, some people!'
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Post by theshrews81 on Mar 15, 2011 23:14:24 GMT 1
As a teacher this is becoming a nanny state, as previously mentioned our schools lunchtime is later than most and has no effect on the outstanding ofsted inspection we got.
I am sure the teachers involved made the correct decision at the time. Fir those questioning the planning I ask how many if you have ever had a day trip out altered due to unforeseen circumstances? We are all to eager to slate other people and winge and cry foul!!
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Post by shrewsace on Mar 15, 2011 23:18:41 GMT 1
As a teacher this is becoming a nanny state, as previously mentioned our schools lunchtime is later than most and has no effect on the outstanding ofsted inspection we got. I am sure the teachers involved made the correct decision at the time. Fir those questioning the planning I ask how many if you have ever had a day trip out altered due to unforeseen circumstances? We are all to eager to slate other people and winge and cry foul!! How is this an example of a 'nanny state'?
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Post by theshrews81 on Mar 15, 2011 23:54:36 GMT 1
As soon as a day out for school kids slightly goes off course, non one was ill, killed or hurt but yet people still want teachers blood.
Soon we will be back to where a few years back when school teachers were starting to refuse to take kids on school trips due to the amount o paperwork. For me to take a class out requires up to 3 hours paperwork Inc risk assessments and that's b4 letters go out.
If parents wanto o complain so much simple answer is schools wont do schools trips end of......
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Post by shrewsace on Mar 16, 2011 8:07:38 GMT 1
As soon as a day out for school kids slightly goes off course, non one was ill, killed or hurt but yet people still want teachers blood. Soon we will be back to where a few years back when school teachers were starting to refuse to take kids on school trips due to the amount o paperwork. For me to take a class out requires up to 3 hours paperwork Inc risk assessments and that's b4 letters go out. If parents wanto o complain so much simple answer is schools wont do schools trips end of...... Yes, I understand the point you're making, but the 'nannying' is coming from the parents, not the State (in this instance, the school). If Mr Bunny's not happy with the way things were handled, I think he's within his rights to call the school and ask to have a chat with one of the teachers. There's no need to call 'baying for blood', as you put it, though, I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 23:19:40 GMT 1
As soon as a day out for school kids slightly goes off course, non one was ill, killed or hurt but yet people still want teachers blood. Soon we will be back to where a few years back when school teachers were starting to refuse to take kids on school trips due to the amount o paperwork. For me to take a class out requires up to 3 hours paperwork Inc risk assessments and that's b4 letters go out. If parents wanto o complain so much simple answer is schools wont do schools trips end of...... Never realised you are a teacher. Do you teach English by any chance?
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Post by theshrews81 on Mar 16, 2011 23:34:32 GMT 1
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Post by bobbyc on Mar 17, 2011 1:25:02 GMT 1
this whole thread is utterly ridiculous - get a sense of perspective, rabbit!
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Post by blum on Mar 17, 2011 5:53:43 GMT 1
Hold the Shropshire Star front page - "child goes without lunch until 2pm shocker!" Won't you feel a bit silly in the grand scheme of things complaining about your lad maybe being a bit peckish for an hour? Must be fun being a teacher with parents moaning about insignificant things like this. I know that you want the best for your child but having lunch an hour late is a bit trivial in the scheme of things IMO. I have lost count of the times when work etc. has gotten in the way of lunch meaning in the end you dont get anything all day. There are people all over the world that dont eat for days. The time will come for your youngster when he will get hungry but at least he managed to eat. Take a step back and put it into perspective, did this really traumatise your child? Think of the kids who dont eat anything nutricious for weeks at a time. It's the same with sports days and anything else at school, dont upset the kids or you'll get into a PC dilemna. This approach doesnt prepare children for the real world, the knocks, the ups and downs etc. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 10:24:39 GMT 1
quite a fuss over something pretty trivial really mate, let it go!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 10:24:57 GMT 1
[I know that you want the best for your child but having lunch an hour late is a bit trivial in the scheme of things IMO. I have lost count of the times when work etc. has gotten in the way of lunch meaning in the end you dont get anything all day. There are people all over the world that dont eat for days. The time will come for your youngster when he will get hungry but at least he managed to eat. Take a step back and put it into perspective, did this really traumatise your child? Think of the kids who dont eat anything nutricious for weeks at a time. It's the same with sports days and anything else at school, dont upset the kids or you'll get into a PC dilemna. This approach doesnt prepare children for the real world, the knocks, the ups and downs etc. Just my opinion of course. not often i do, but agree 100% with blum on this. pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things and personally i would be embarrassed to go to my kids school and complain about it. in seriousness, i just feel grateful sometimes the school still take my kids on trips.
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Post by indianwells on Mar 17, 2011 11:03:13 GMT 1
Have I missed something? Did he have his packed lunch on him? What was stopping him eating it whenever he wanted on the bus back to school? Did the teachers stop him eating it? Why was he late back?
So many questions, so little time! (The cricket's on).
Seriously, waiting an hour to eat is no big deal. And no, I haven't got kids, and quite frankly I don't need them in order to know that.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 17, 2011 11:35:23 GMT 1
Ever wondered if the coach driver requested no one eats on the bus
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Post by indianwells on Mar 17, 2011 12:01:32 GMT 1
Ever wondered if the coach driver requested no one eats on the bus That is a possibility, but it would never have stopped me if I was hungry.
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Post by jaytee on Mar 17, 2011 18:28:55 GMT 1
Ever wondered if the coach driver requested no one eats on the bus That is a possibility, but it would never have stopped me if I was hungry. I didn't realise you were aged six.
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