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Post by mrmagoo on Feb 26, 2011 12:08:41 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2011 12:28:16 GMT 1
cheers martin i take it ron has been replaced then we all know it may be closed today for a while that 100% acceptable i think its also obvious that not 1 potential trouble maker from town stands waiting at that gate and the instant the potential from trouble from the visitors has passed then thats time to open it
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2011 14:17:18 GMT 1
Whoopie got here just before 1 Gate locked :-(
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Feb 26, 2011 14:21:12 GMT 1
Pilch anyone using the sainsbury gate has to walk all the round and through the gills fans to get to the powerleague?
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 26, 2011 14:29:42 GMT 1
Late response left to Martin who has nothing to do with safety in the stadium and seems to be being used by the club due to his popularity with fans - just my view
Questions raised
1 when was this decision made as I seem to remember it was open against Chesterfield?
2. Why wasn't an announcement made?
3. How do other clubs without said gate manage? Fans mingle without a problem at most stadiums at our level,
4. Couldn't stewards have a presence at low risk games to control naughty boys rather than punish all?
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Post by jamo on Feb 26, 2011 14:53:28 GMT 1
Interesting to see that the composition of the faceless and unaccountable Safety Advisory Group does not include representation from the very people affected by their decisions, the match going fans !
Why is not one of the official supprters group having a say on their stadium ? That should be one of the first questions asked.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2011 18:27:30 GMT 1
Twice I've walked around today Kept telling my ankle no pain no gain What's this sierra situation ? I needed a lift but never saw any old fords
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 20:33:30 GMT 1
It's a ludicrous situation.
Half decent stewarding and additional policing (for higher profile games) is all that's necessary.
That's what you see at nearly every other ground......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 21:18:08 GMT 1
It's a ludicrous situation. Half decent stewarding and additional policing (for higher profile games) is all that's necessary. That's what you see at nearly every other ground...... Additional policing = adsditional cost, where we have a cost free solution!!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Feb 27, 2011 13:39:32 GMT 1
Just don't see how it's a cost free situation though. If there is such a worry about away fans, then there's nothing to stop the away fans from the other areas of the ground, ie east stand, or after the fans that have already started walking out.
And why on earth is there a bar for the home supporters slap bang in the middle of the apparently dangerous away fans
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Post by Pilch on Feb 27, 2011 13:47:39 GMT 1
its good the way the stewards now gather a group of town fans on the corner of the north/east stand
as i managed to slip past the cordon yesterday i looked back and the group of town fans being held back could at first glace appear to be a group of wannabie hooligans being held back from the away fans
this i'm sure almost happened v chesterfield i was in that group then, and a coach load of chesterfield fans seemed rather eager to want to fight us
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 13:50:01 GMT 1
Just don't see how it's a cost free situation though. If there is such a worry about away fans, then there's nothing to stop the away fans from the other areas of the ground, ie east stand, or after the fans that have already started walking out. And why on earth is there a bar for the home supporters slap bang in the middle of the apparently dangerous away fans Dont see how it is cost free solution. Steward, Being paid anyway!!, gate, paid for!! thefore cost free solution. Extra policing, minimum of 4 hours per officer at approx £50.00 per hour!! = massive expense = lower budget. How about waiting 5 or 10 minutes for a beer!!
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Post by Pilch on Feb 27, 2011 14:04:26 GMT 1
the point is when vale come, the gate will obviously be locked, if we have any of our idiots looking for trouble they will know this, they will have walked around by the time the game finishes anyway
its only ever the sensible fans standing waiting at that gate
i watched yesterday from the power bar door not an away fan in sight by the time i slipped the cordon and got there gate still closed and was for a good 5 minutes more after this
maybe we should keep blocks 1 & 2 locked inside the ground for 10 minutes after all they will be walking alongside away fans when they leave
or is it just the riff raff that great treated like potential hooligans
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Post by WindsorShrew on Feb 27, 2011 15:10:11 GMT 1
If the powers that be consider it to be a safety issue then should we not accept it ? It is entirely predicable the furore that would ensue should an incident occur, then of course both civil and statute actions.
There is a sign in the South Stand saying "no drinking on the marked (yellow) area". This is another rule for safety reasons yet I see no one up in arms about it.
I have to park away from the ground and walk in, I make an allowance for that journey. If the gate is to be locked then perhaps the few protesting (again) could allow time to walk around, failing that move blocks because I don't think the Club will or should bow to this protest.
At the end of it all, the Club guided by qualified and competent personnel are trying to ensure the safety of everyone. We perhaps should all realize and respect this.
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Post by elmundo on Feb 27, 2011 15:12:52 GMT 1
The thing I don't understand is it for safety reasons that the gate is shut.
Yet if I want to go to the Powerleague bar after the game from Block 19, I am expected to walk around the stadium, and STRAIGHT THROUGH all the visiting supporters.
Surely, if they are expecting potential trouble, that is more dangerous than going from 19 to the Powerleague via the NW corner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 15:53:31 GMT 1
The thing I don't understand is it for safety reasons that the gate is shut. Yet if I want to go to the Powerleague bar after the game from Block 19, I am expected to walk around the stadium, and STRAIGHT THROUGH all the visiting supporters. Surely, if they are expecting potential trouble, that is more dangerous than going from 19 to the Powerleague via the NW corner. But the amount of supporters going to the powerleague through the away fans are minimal compared to if the whole of the west stand exit that way!!
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Post by elmundo on Feb 27, 2011 16:05:17 GMT 1
The thing I don't understand is it for safety reasons that the gate is shut. Yet if I want to go to the Powerleague bar after the game from Block 19, I am expected to walk around the stadium, and STRAIGHT THROUGH all the visiting supporters. Surely, if they are expecting potential trouble, that is more dangerous than going from 19 to the Powerleague via the NW corner. But the amount of supporters going to the powerleague through the away fans are minimal compared to if the whole of the west stand exit that way!! A scenario that wouldn't occur. I would wager a good 80% of the West Stand either go around, to the buses or through the gate leading onto the pathway behind Sainsburys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 16:07:16 GMT 1
well I would suggest otherwise personally!! but at least we wont need to worry about it!!
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Post by Pilch on Feb 27, 2011 17:02:44 GMT 1
If the powers that be consider it to be a safety issue then should we not accept it ? It is entirely predicable the furore that would ensue should an incident occur, then of course both civil and statute actions. There is a sign in the South Stand saying "no drinking on the marked (yellow) area". This is another rule for safety reasons yet I see no one up in arms about it. I have to park away from the ground and walk in, I make an allowance for that journey. If the gate is to be locked then perhaps the few protesting (again) could allow time to walk around, failing that move blocks because I don't think the Club will or should bow to this protest. At the end of it all, the Club guided by qualified and competent personnel are trying to ensure the safety of everyone. We perhaps should all realize and respect this. the point i think some of us are making is they are actually putting some fans at more risk by their so called safety programme as ive said time and time again fence off the south stand all the way to the main entrance considering we already have miles of unnecessary fences right around the perimeter an extra hundred yards or so would be a drop in the ocean and put the AWAY fans in there the only segregation issue is then out on oteley road where it was be sorted by proper police and not even at the clubs expense maybe i talking b******s but it seems so simple to me
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 17:09:48 GMT 1
If the powers that be consider it to be a safety issue then should we not accept it ? It is entirely predicable the furore that would ensue should an incident occur, then of course both civil and statute actions. There is a sign in the South Stand saying "no drinking on the marked (yellow) area". This is another rule for safety reasons yet I see no one up in arms about it. I have to park away from the ground and walk in, I make an allowance for that journey. If the gate is to be locked then perhaps the few protesting (again) could allow time to walk around, failing that move blocks because I don't think the Club will or should bow to this protest. At the end of it all, the Club guided by qualified and competent personnel are trying to ensure the safety of everyone. We perhaps should all realize and respect this. the point i think some of us are making is they are actually putting some fans at more risk by their so called safety programme as ive said time and time again fence off the south stand all the way to the main entrance considering we already have miles of unnecessary fences right around the perimeter an extra hundred yards or so would be a drop in the ocean and put the AWAY fans in there the only segregation issue is then out on oteley road where it was be sorted by proper police and not even at the clubs expense maybe i talking b******s but it seems so simple to me Be intersting to find why you think it may be putting people at risk?? inconviening some a little, i would agree with that but at risk?? sorry but i dont buy it!!
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Post by timgallon on Feb 27, 2011 17:32:24 GMT 1
Good to have some explanation from the Club, but as Daveycrocket has highlighted a bit strange that it has come from Martin.
Totally agree with Jamo that this SAG group just appear to be a bunch of faceless bureaucrats and the fact there is no no fan representation does not allow the views of those most affected by their decisions to be heard. But hey as regular users of the site what do we know about it all eh!
As Pilch and El Mundo have pointed out the situation now is that because the gate is closed for so long many fans are racing round the ground and coming into direct contact with the away fans. In fact with stewards now holding people back on the east/north stand corner I would imagine any away fans not knowing the situation would logically think that the Town fans are there looking for trouble and that might provoke an incident in itself. Time will tell but that is what happened against Chesterfield recently.
The word from the bar is that following the ruckus at the Stevenage match blue coat Ron has been suspended hence why we had a new man in blue yesterday in the West Stand.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 27, 2011 17:48:09 GMT 1
the point i think some of us are making is they are actually putting some fans at more risk by their so called safety programme as ive said time and time again fence off the south stand all the way to the main entrance considering we already have miles of unnecessary fences right around the perimeter an extra hundred yards or so would be a drop in the ocean and put the AWAY fans in there the only segregation issue is then out on oteley road where it was be sorted by proper police and not even at the clubs expense maybe i talking b******s but it seems so simple to me Be intersting to find why you think it may be putting people at risk?? inconviening some a little, i would agree with that but at risk?? sorry but i dont buy it!! not talking about the gate being a risk but its the fact the gate is needlessly shut for too long that many walk around, and certainly those in the east/south stands are not going to take that at route any time if the gate wasnt shut for too long last game and the steward not refused many many orders to open it from up above maybe he wouldnt have been sacked fans dont mind waiting a few secs for the bulk to clear they detest being held unnecessarily but thats the world we live in i've always mingled my way through to the power bar i dont wear colours i dont wear chavvy stuff i dont goad away fans i dont even speak i could just as well be an away fan looking for my bus never had a problem, never even come close v chesterfield and one or 2 other games, i'm grabbed and gathered into a group this group v chesterfield became a target dont take my word for it pop into the power bar after a game and ask around
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 27, 2011 20:55:34 GMT 1
If the SAG group are all experts you'd think they'd know that fans mingle after all games at our level and on the very rare occasion there's a hint of trouble police or stewards control it......
Over the last 15 years I been to around 300 away games and have only twice seen scuffles outside the ground both of which came to nothing following police or club intervention, for god sake I remember going to the last game of the season at Cardiff (their promotion party from league 2)which could not have been more intimidating inside but we all left together safely! not to mention the same last game at Swansea a cauldron of nationalist (welsh) fervor but again all mixed outside
Why do our SAG see us and our ground as any different?
The fact that the set-up at GM is unique at our level and it should be explained why were not trusted
High profile games no problem but to decide to close it for all is crazy
The decision whilst it doesn't really affect me stinks as does the explanation
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Post by stfcfan87 on Feb 27, 2011 23:09:00 GMT 1
Just don't see how it's a cost free situation though. If there is such a worry about away fans, then there's nothing to stop the away fans from the other areas of the ground, ie east stand, or after the fans that have already started walking out. And why on earth is there a bar for the home supporters slap bang in the middle of the apparently dangerous away fans Dont see how it is cost free solution. Steward, Being paid anyway!!, gate, paid for!! thefore cost free solution. Extra policing, minimum of 4 hours per officer at approx £50.00 per hour!! = massive expense = lower budget. How about waiting 5 or 10 minutes for a beer!! Sorry I put the wrong word - it shouldn't have been cost free - I meant to put that I can't see how it would be risk free
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2011 2:36:11 GMT 1
it wouldnt be so bad if the club could at least supply all those waiting with orange overalls
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 2, 2011 13:21:49 GMT 1
Back to this topic Regarding the SAG - why is the west stand gate such an issue but they don't seem to have any opinion or problem with this type of thing (I've just dropped this quote in here from another thread) I certainly don't feel valued when i am walking in darkness and nearly tripping over when walking to the game. That pathway along the railway track at the back of Sainsbury's needs tarmaccing and lighting before someone breaks their neck. I know the club keep saying it is council owned, but come on even if it is will a few street lamps and some tarmaccing really hurt the coffers that much? Some people who make these decisions at the club seem to forget that it's us paying fans who keep them in a job, so i would appreciate to give a bit back to the supporters and at least ensure their safety when walking to the game.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 2, 2011 13:26:12 GMT 1
Because its not on there land, hense technically (not moraley) there problem
Lets be honest we have been in this stadium a while and there are old problems not resolved (no steps to Otley Road, no lights on back West Sntad Path) New problems (West Stand gate issue) and ongoing maintinance problems that seemeing cant be resolved (the tannoy issues, the terrible TV signal in the west stand, the increasingly dirty stands, plumbing issues (lots over the winter and still ongoing if the recent call for the club plumber was anything to go on)
The question is, are the club aware of the problems have realted to these issues, and if they did would they do anything about it.
I really think its worth an artical in the zine, as we know this gets read at the club.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 2, 2011 14:32:17 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, I get the bit about if it's not on their land it's not their problem - but how is it that this SAG is so powerful on one issue but doesn't do a damn thing about the other issue regardless of who's land it is?? If it's the council's, why are they not insisting changes happen by the council to the same speed and strength that they are regarding the football club gate??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 14:35:48 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, I get the bit about if it's not on their land it's not their problem - but how is it that this SAG is so powerful on one issue but doesn't do a damn thing about the other issue regardless of who's land it is?? If it's the council's, why are they not insisting changes happen by the council to the same speed and strength that they are regarding the football club gate?? Because the council are the main part of the SAG!!!
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Post by timgallon on Mar 2, 2011 17:08:32 GMT 1
Because its not on there land, hense technically (not moraley) there problem Has the Fanzine had it confirmed then by the Land Registry that STFC do not own the land on which the footpath next to the railway line runs? If so who does own the land?
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