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Post by africanshrew on Jul 16, 2010 13:49:12 GMT 1
5 new faces so far going into the first preseason games - what do people think so far?
I'm happy with the signings so far though they seem to fit the 'good', 'solid', 'effective at this level' categories. If we get VDB and Disley firing plus the young uns we should be top 8, but are we still missing one or two players who can take control of the midfield (shame about Diadouraga) or take a half chance in a tight game?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 16, 2010 14:41:25 GMT 1
agreed really. Still not convinced bout chris neal, and missing a midfielder, and possibly another striker, but overall good stuff from GT. Looking forward to the season ahead. Where do people think VDB will fit into the midfield?
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Post by theyesman on Jul 16, 2010 14:45:11 GMT 1
agreed really. Still not convinced bout chris neal, and missing a midfielder, and possibly another striker, but overall good stuff from GT. Looking forward to the season ahead. Where do people think VDB will fit into the midfield? Shouldn't worry about the goalkeeper, could have a new number 1 very soon
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Post by Liam on Jul 16, 2010 14:51:08 GMT 1
Things are starting to come together and I'm quietly optimistic, but we're still short of what I've always thought would be the summer's most important signing, which is a creative central midfielder.
However, if even 1/4 of the rumours we've heard over the last few weeks are true, then GT is looking to strengthen the midfield, so I'm not panicking yet.
We already have 5 strikers on the books, so I doubt we'll see another permanent signing there, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a nippy loanee come in to cover the injuries we'll have at the start of the season.
Another keeper is also required but, again, this is blindingly obvious and it seems that Turner is working on it.
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Post by elmundo on Jul 16, 2010 14:53:03 GMT 1
agreed really. Still not convinced bout chris neal, and missing a midfielder, and possibly another striker, but overall good stuff from GT. Looking forward to the season ahead. Where do people think VDB will fit into the midfield? Shouldn't worry about the goalkeeper, could have a new number 1 very soon Someone with a name similar to our mascot???
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Post by africanshrew on Jul 16, 2010 15:09:07 GMT 1
Lenny Pidgeley by any chance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 16:09:44 GMT 1
Without trying to be negative, slighty underwelmed since the Sharps signing, he should be quality and the way we started the transfer window by stealing him away from Rotherham really gave me hope this would be the start of something good, but to be honest its been rather average since then, the defence looks really good IMO, but the MH and MW signings dont fill me with joy, im not trying to be negative, thats just my opinion, i was expecting some 'big' money to be spent on the attacking areas, and maybe it still will be.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 16, 2010 16:11:27 GMT 1
Her, here Danny - that makes two of us anyway!
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Post by Ned on Jul 16, 2010 16:22:40 GMT 1
Her, here Danny - that makes two of us anyway! Always keen to lift the mood, aren't you Pete?
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Post by Liam on Jul 16, 2010 16:31:07 GMT 1
Can someone please explain to me what's underwhelming about a winger who's spent much of his career at a higher level and who scored 15 goals during his last season in League 2?
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 16, 2010 16:32:19 GMT 1
Can someone please explain to me what's underwhelming about a winger who's spent much of his career at a higher level and who scored 15 goals during his last season in League 2? His current, i.e., last year's form
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 16, 2010 16:46:09 GMT 1
Can someone please explain to me what's underwhelming about a winger who's spent much of his career at a higher level and who scored 15 goals during his last season in League 2? His current, i.e., last year's form You're never going to be able to sign a player who has had a great season in a higher league. It's impossible. This is league two football, you have to take risks. Mark Wright may be a risk based on last season's form, but if he can reproduce his MK Dons form then we're all happy You tell me how we would be able to sign a key player from a league on club who had just had a great season for their team. No chance whatsoever
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Post by barrynic on Jul 16, 2010 16:48:57 GMT 1
The only way I can do a comparison is compare our "New Squad"to the one 2 seasons ago containing Ben Davies and Grant Holt that got to the playoff final.
Turners squad is full of good honest pros but totally lacking the necessary quality to get into the playoffs.
Are we now operating on a substantially reduced budget compared to 2 years ago although season ticket sales are comparable ?
Has the Commercial hole been plugged or is the footballing side of things still supporting it ?
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Post by theyesman on Jul 16, 2010 16:57:22 GMT 1
The only way I can do a comparison is compare our "New Squad"to the one 2 seasons ago containing Ben Davies and Grant Holt that got to the playoff final. Turners squad is full of good honest pros but totally lacking the necessary quality to get into the playoffs. Are we now operating on a substantially reduced budget compared to 2 years ago although season ticket sales are comparable ? Has the Commercial hole been plugged or is the footballing side of things still supporting it ? Disagree, this seasons squad so far are a team and not like two years ago when we had a team of individuals. Grant Holt was an excellent player but played for himself, and when a bigger club came knocking he was gone, same with Davies, showed no passion just wanted the glory. At least the signings GT is bringing in want to be at the club and will actually play for the shirt. Hopefully with a new keeper (maybe the one on trial now), a box to box midfielder and another striker and i believe we can finish top three
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Post by Liam on Jul 16, 2010 17:10:54 GMT 1
You could quite easily have applied the same argument Grant Holt - i.e. the yardstick you always use for these types of arguments.
Late twenties? Check?
Excellent record in League 2? Check
League 1 experience? Check
Dodgy season before he came to us? Check (which, btw, was why he was allowed, and was willing to, come here in the first place)
Rumours of falling out with previous manager? Check.
Now, I'm not saying he'll be as good as Holt, but you can certainly make those comparisons.
His record up until last season is consistently good. You're being totally unrealistic if you think we can wave a magic wand and sign players who've just had good seasons for bigger clubs in the league above on more money. All managers, from the best to the worst, take gambles with transfers.
It may not be as good as the one two years ago, but I am convinced we've now got a better manager in charge, which is a big, big factor.
Also, the current squad isn't complete and is still a work in progress. At the very least it does look like it's going to be better than last year's shambles and - given that it was this shambles that GT inherited - that's all you can realistically ask in a first season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 17:37:01 GMT 1
Can someone please explain to me what's underwhelming about a winger who's spent much of his career at a higher level and who scored 15 goals during his last season in League 2? Im more happy about Wright then i am Harrold, as i said im not trying to be negative, im just saying that we started the transfer window so well with Sharps and i was expecting better things by now, maybe my expectations are too high, and the pretty ridiculous rumours about certain players have upped that expectation. Im not the type of person to get on a players back before he kicks a ball and i have trust in Turner, i just expected and still expect a couple more 'exciting' signings.
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Post by Liam on Jul 16, 2010 17:42:57 GMT 1
I can sympathise with that. For me the really big one is - and always has been - who get in to play central midfield. That'll be the one that either makes us genuine contenders or leaves us limping around in mid-table again.
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Post by samtheshrew on Jul 16, 2010 18:03:25 GMT 1
Can I ask what makes Sharps such an exciting signing? In my opinion, all the signings so far are solid, honest, hard working pros, and I would rather a squad full of them than 2 or 3 WOW signings.
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Post by kuliloach on Jul 16, 2010 18:22:05 GMT 1
I am not negative when it comes to town and am satisfied with all of our signings so far but I can't be confident regarding promotion at present.
Our defense looks good and I think Raven will prove to be a particularly good signing.
Harold appears a solid signing but if I remember correctly people were fairly pleased with Nathan Elder, no reason why it couldn't work out better but it is a gamble.
This lad today sounds promising but lets remember, Lewis Neal had played over 100 games in the championship and yet he has been incredibly inconsistent.
I appreciate at our level we have to gamble on players but I think we need at least 2 key players who can regularly perform. A quality central midfielder and a goalscoring striker are essential and I think they will cost money. I am confident Turner will bring them in but I won't be considering promotion until they arrive.
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Post by Liam on Jul 16, 2010 18:54:12 GMT 1
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 16, 2010 19:14:46 GMT 1
Best news of the week - come on Lionel - you know you want to!
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 16, 2010 20:00:41 GMT 1
i think the squad happiness is very important. Not too annoyed the likes of ainsworth et al haven't signed. I'm sure they woudl be very good, but to the detriment of many others possibly. Also, although late signings arent ideal, they can often be very good players - particuarly with the loan market and GTs links.
Whats this about lenny pidgeley? would Carlisle let him go?
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Post by shrewd67 on Jul 16, 2010 20:27:53 GMT 1
Best news of the week - come on Lionel - you know you want to! I believe Ainsworth does want to but the stumbling block is reaching agreement with Huddersfield. Unless Ainsworth can play up front (?) the loan of Wright seems to have drawn a line under the Ainsworth saga.
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Post by mattyg92 on Jul 16, 2010 21:03:57 GMT 1
jesus! some people on here are really hard to please. turner has brought in 5 new players that are far better than anything we had last season. you cant judge players until u see them play also, give the new players a chance please
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Post by stockportershrew on Jul 16, 2010 21:11:34 GMT 1
jesus! some people on here are really hard to please. turner has brought in 5 new players that are far better than anything we had last season. you cant judge players until u see them play also, give the new players a chance please Haven't you just contradicted yourself there. Do we know there far better until they start playing for us? I agree with your first sentence though.
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Post by blue and ambar on Jul 16, 2010 21:31:35 GMT 1
His current, i.e., last year's form You're never going to be able to sign a player who has had a great season in a higher league. It's impossible. This is league two football, you have to take risks. Mark Wright may be a risk based on last season's form, but if he can reproduce his MK Dons form then we're all happy You tell me how we would be able to sign a key player from a league on club who had just had a great season for their team. No chance whatsoever Agreed, there maybe some players from a higher division who want to join us because of the set up here but we have to be realistic. If he is one of their best players then he will either stay there, move to a bigger club higher up or to another in the division. Our best chance (for players who are in league one) are decent players who are well proven at this level, have shown signs of quality without being outstanding at a higher level or maybe need to drop down a division to get more first team football due to being replaced by others. Doubt there will be many players who everyone will agree is a great signing unless we get another Holt but we have to see them play before we pass judgement.
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Post by ambergambler on Jul 17, 2010 8:53:38 GMT 1
Best news of the week - come on Lionel - you know you want to! Pete you do know its not Messi its (Lionel )Ainsworth???
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 17, 2010 9:06:49 GMT 1
We couldn't allow Messi here anyway - he isn't a mediocre, honest, 'works hard', worse than what we had already on paper, journeyman pro! Wouldn't fit in at all!! Also, he is exciting, and has a good scoring record and plays with flair. Definitately not the kind of player most on here would hope for, for us. Not sure I am too enamoured with the 'disruptive influence' comments though - www.brfcforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/90934-wright-gone/Guess GT has plenty of experience of managing out this kind of thing. Damn, I bit AG!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 10:16:38 GMT 1
In my opinion, all the signings so far are solid, honest, hard working pros, and I would rather a squad full of them than 2 or 3 WOW signings. I would agree with that Sam As Ive said on a few threads, some people are underwhelmed with the signings because of the unrealistic expectations some have when it comes to signings. A person will post that player A has been made available or player B used to play for Turner so therefore fans assume we will be signing. But when we dont sign them and instead bring in less well known players, but more realistic signings, its not good enough. However this isnt Championship Manager, we cant just say we want players A, B, C & D and go and sign them. We have a budget to stick to and then there are other clubs who might want the aforementioned players. I think some fans are in need for a reality check and just because we spent £170k on Grant Holt a few years back it doesnt mean we are a massive club or have a bottomless pit Before PeteBroadbent comes back with his "its only me that doesnt want mid-table mediocrity" line, can I ask not what players do you want as you refuse to answer the questions, but which players have been signed already by L2 clubs would you consider wow, exciting signings? Which players have been signed which you think you would like here? Your constantly talk as if we are getting the journeymen players whilst other clubs are splashing the cash so therefore who are all these players we have missed out on? Back to the original post concerning how we are shaping up, I must admit that currently it has elements of a squad under the two previous managers, hard-working, organised but no real stand out players. I didnt realise Wrights record was so good at MK so hopefully he can be the attacking spark, along with a creative midfielder. A genuine out and out goalscorer would be very nice but back to my original point in that we cant get every player we want so Im not too sure where we get them from or who we could get? At the moment theres a lot of guesswork Will Jake Robinson be given a big part and will we see him like the first few games of last season? Will a fit Craig Disley be the box to box player we are hoping for? Will BVDB be given a central midfield role and be the goalscoring midfielder we hope for? Will Lewis Neale start showing us what we can do rather than the odd glimpse last season? Will Bright be given a bigger chance and take it? Will Tom Bradshaw be given opportunities and progress from last season? Will other youngsters like the Taylors be given an opportunity and take it? Will Wright get his career back on track and show his MK form? No doubt certain posters will say to even suggest the above is clutching at straws. My point is at the moment no one knows whats in GT's mind about who the first XI will be, the formation, the style of play and the general mentality of how we will play
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Post by shrewswolf on Jul 17, 2010 10:17:57 GMT 1
It sounds like Ainsworth is just as bad if not worse!! Huddersfield fans want to see the back of his "gangster style" and his "brap attitude". Their words not mine. I think any signing coming down the divisions is going to have negatives, but Turner obviously feels he can sort attitudes out with strong discipline.
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