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Post by Young_Shrewster on Apr 7, 2004 11:00:08 GMT 1
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 7, 2004 11:01:06 GMT 1
YES
I looked forward to matches last season simply because the football we played was of a good standard.... this season its football to hang yourself to
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Post by Immorick on Apr 7, 2004 11:05:56 GMT 1
I've backed Quinn all season........until now. Get him out and let O'Connor take charge for remainder of season, GIVE US A CHANCE!!!! Wycherley can pay off remainder of contract since he installed the idiot.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Apr 7, 2004 11:07:40 GMT 1
Quinn can't motivate the team at all. He doesn't inspire loyalty or commitment. If he's interviewed he's cold and trots out a load of rubbish. No- Ratcliffe wasn't as bad.
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Post by graedw on Apr 7, 2004 11:08:50 GMT 1
i think ratcliffe the lesser of 2 evils, neither are worth shouting their names from the rooftops, but going forward rats team was far better, jq apparently feels like hanging himself, no need to go that far jimmy, JUST RESIGN and take your mates with you
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Post by True_Shrew on Apr 7, 2004 11:51:37 GMT 1
We just don't play football any more, it's hit and hope stuff with no style or meaning, at least with Ratcliffe he 'tried' to make us play football (but forgot about the defending bit)
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 7, 2004 11:52:37 GMT 1
U might wanna change ur H.A.P.P.Y avatar Giles!
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Apr 7, 2004 11:56:40 GMT 1
Yes. Take away last season and yes. Player motivation? Yes, but one question. Are footballers nowadays just a load of useless, overpaid prima donnas? It seems so, even at this level! Take Ratcliffe. We saw some of the best football played by Town under Town, and also the worst. But we heard all the stories. The young faction against the old etc. As much as I blame Quinny, and Ratters for our present predicamnet, the players have to take most of the blame. They dont know how lucky they are. Maybe Bavo comments at the Supporters Do ( that was the one that cost £5 to go to STFC people!) a couple of years ago sums it up. When he won the B and A player of the year award, he was overheard as saying that the trophy he got was from the 'internet geeks'. Say it all!
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Post by Red Yellow and Blue on Apr 7, 2004 11:59:58 GMT 1
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 7, 2004 12:00:41 GMT 1
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Post by Red Yellow and Blue on Apr 7, 2004 12:03:29 GMT 1
sorry about that As I was saying for me JQ shades it .....just but he needs to go now!(and take Bates Cooke and the others with him) In the end it will be us the supporters who get this club out of a large hole of its own making we have been badly let down
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Apr 7, 2004 16:14:25 GMT 1
ratcliffe is a sincere man and walked.
quinn say he wants to hang himself.
Ill buy the rope.
He should resign but will probably want a pay off for himself and his merrymen.
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 7, 2004 16:42:59 GMT 1
thats the official line matt, though I'm sure there was more than a bit of persuading and a golden handshake to help him decide. (IMO)
Fact is that the board SHOULD have acted earlier to remove KR. They should not wait that long again to remove the current incumbent. Our fate was sealed, we were down, he went. Too late. While we have a chance, JQ needs to go, before the fans turn their back on not just him, but the Club. Remember the club is bigger than one man and will be here next season.
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Post by rob on Apr 7, 2004 16:50:17 GMT 1
You watch, our gates are going to slide from now on till the play-offs if we get there.
I dread to think how many we'll have at the Gravesend game?
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Post by blueandamber on Apr 7, 2004 17:22:22 GMT 1
You watch, our gates are going to slide from now on till the play-offs if we get there. I dread to think how many we'll have at the Gravesend game? it'll be like watching telford, crowds of 1,500 max if we stay in this division for too long, and continue to pump out this sort of s**te.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Apr 7, 2004 17:22:46 GMT 1
do you KR texmex..? if not then dont go dreaming up such nonsesnse and spinning stuff. KR walked as he is an honourable man. Or dont you want to believe it.?
The board never sacked him as there was always hope.
We had Jemmo and Luke we had creative midfielders playing with ideas - ok our defence was shocking but we still had hope.
I am sorry, but I see no hope. The more time goes on we get worse, not better.
At least we scored against Carliar.. we had hope, we had passion, Lowe got sent off as he was wound up and wanted to win.
I dont see that now.
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Post by rob on Apr 7, 2004 17:26:59 GMT 1
Just because Lowe was pumped up doesnt give him the right to commit GBH on someone-That is what just plaining ing someone is. You'd get arrested in the streets for doing that, not applauded.
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 7, 2004 18:31:07 GMT 1
was your question " do you know KR"??
If so, then the answer is no. I offered my opinion, hence adding the IMO. I have no inside knowledge nor do i pretend to have such.
If he walked fair enough, I'm just asking questions, pretty much like everyone else. Are you saying my opinion doesnt count/is not valid because I didnt know the man?
IMO - we were down long before Carlisle. The board should have acted to sack KR, they didnt, we are down, end of. We had little hope. I saw enough last season to form my opinion on that.
Let me ask you a question. Do you know JQ by any chance? Have you taken a dislike to him? Why so harsh on him, yet you still defend KR who utlimatley us down? Not having a go, just asking........ Or are you still absorbed in you love affair with nice guy KR and no one else will come close? ( I dont dispute he was a nice fella. very sincere on the occaisions I met him)
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Apr 7, 2004 18:54:43 GMT 1
fair point texmex
Opinions are what makes the world go around, but its peoples criteria that matter.
but you were honest, so i shall be honest back.
i was very fond of ian mcneil as a person and when he got sacked it was like someone dying out of your life.
the same with ratters. i had the belief we would stay up. we were terrible in defence but up front i thought we would do it. we didnt. i hated him first as he played for everton and I hate everton, but i listened to him and thought this guy is actually ok
it is like getting dumped or getting out of a bad relationship. i dont want to get close to quinn. I say hello thats about it. i have nothing against him personally and i want him to prove to me he is the man for the job first. from what i see and speak to players IMO i dont think quinn is the answer. yet i will be the first to apologise to him if he turns things around.
but..i see no light and normally i am a very positive person.
IMO we lost to kiddy and wrexham etc 3-2 yet were winning/drawing until 93rd minute. we showed spirit and drive. i see nothing at the moment.
other people on the terraces are saying we played better footy and showed more drive under ratters, its not just me, regardless of how they hate KR for taking us down.
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 7, 2004 19:01:50 GMT 1
I agree with what you say in response. We could always score under KR, but the backline after Tretton & more significantly Heathcotes departure showed our vunerability. I disliked KR immensly at the outset. I warmed to him, after just missing out on the playoffs, but to me it became clear that we had overachieved that season. What we did have was team spirit. Beating Plymouth home and away with 10 men on each occaision springs to mind. He failed to build on that team , on that resolve, failed to address the serious deficiencies in the team and it cost us. I suppose thats some sort of truece then!?!?!? !!!
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Post by Chris J on Apr 7, 2004 19:05:52 GMT 1
IMO - we were down long before Carlisle. The board should have acted to sack KR, they didnt, we are down, end of. We had little hope. Have to agree there. Ratcliffe may have walked – and may have done sooner had he not sincerely believed he could turn things around sooner BUT that would be because he was so involved in the situation he couldn't see what was obvious to the rest of us. It was/is the responsibility of the board to lift heir heads above the mire of failure that our club has become. I also believe, IMHO, that he would have been sacked anyway but either was given the option to resign or saw the writing and jumped before he was pushed. If the former, that would be a conversation no-one apart from RW and KR would be privvy to, so I guess we'll never know. To return to the original question - different divisions, different resources, it's comparing oranges with apples, just as comparing Ratcliffe with Jake was. The irony is that the former international striker seems to be able to organise a defence, but not our strikers whilst the former international defender acheived the precise opposite.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Apr 7, 2004 19:11:57 GMT 1
..and where do you rate dave cooke in all this !? ;D
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 7, 2004 19:13:23 GMT 1
who did you mean Dave the Cook? too many cookes.........
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