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Post by onthetrain92 on Jul 2, 2010 22:28:30 GMT 1
I think FIFA should introduce a penalty goal rule for such situations where a ball is delibrately handled on the line like in the Uruguay Vs Ghana match i just watched. It was going in, its a goal and the guy has delibrately handled the ball when no doubt its crossing the line for a goal. Giving a penalty in that situation gives advantage to the defending team when there is so little time left in a match like we just saw. I feel sorry for Ghana but no doubt overall i think Uruguay were the better side.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 2, 2010 22:35:56 GMT 1
I had him in my fantasy side Hope they give him man of the match for that save ;-)
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 2, 2010 22:36:10 GMT 1
You have to admit though: given the current rules Suarez did the right thing.
He will never have to buy himself a drink in Uruguay until he dies.
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Post by monkee on Jul 2, 2010 22:43:36 GMT 1
the free kick that led to the penalty was incorrectly given
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Post by Liam on Jul 2, 2010 22:44:48 GMT 1
What an absolutely fantastic game.
I was really hoping from about 75 minutes onwards that whatever happened it didn't go to penalties, but sadly it did.
I must admit though, it was a suitably dramatic finish to one of the best games of the tournament.
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Post by shrew4life on Jul 2, 2010 22:45:17 GMT 1
I don't see how it's advantage for the defending side. Down to 10 men and have to try and keep out a penalty. It was a poor penalty (one of many from Ghana). As TBH has already said it was the correct decision for the benefit of the team under the current rules.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Jul 2, 2010 22:46:34 GMT 1
You have to admit though: given the current rules Suarez did the right thing. He will never have to buy himself a drink in Uruguay until he dies. Its the rules i know but surely its very unfair to be allowed to do that, its just not sporting doing that. Its definately going in 100% without that hand interfearing. When you give a penalty for handled block on the line it gives an unfair advantage late on in the game for the attacking team. From what was defintaely a goal is now virtually a 50/50 chance. It is cheating but within the rules. I'd be very angry If I was African tonight and very relieved if I was Urugauyian, to be fair Uruguay were slightly the better side overall.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 2, 2010 22:47:27 GMT 1
I don't believe in football we will ever "know" there are clear goals prevented like they can with rugby.
Of course Suarez's was clear, but any shot which may or may not have been going wide / over would be impossible to tell, no ref or even a video ref could possibly know. Then we're down to Hawkeye and I think that is when it gets daft.
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Post by shrew4life on Jul 2, 2010 22:52:31 GMT 1
He didn't even need to handball it. It was going for his face!
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Post by The Black Fingernail on Jul 2, 2010 23:03:01 GMT 1
Totally agree with the original poster and have argued the same point for a while. Equally, as TBH has stated, Suarez did what was needed under the current rules. Fifa seem to be resting on their laurels as there are several areas of the game that should be improved; goal-line technology and simulation (diving/feigning injury), being top of the list. Hopefully, Blatter is suitably humbled by recent events and will instigate change in the short term.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 2, 2010 23:03:47 GMT 1
I'm a tad surprised that people are happy to accept this one as a "correct decision for the benefit of the team". It's not within the rules, that's why it's a red card and penalty offence. It's about as big and obvious bit of cheating to get a result as you could ever have. Another bit of result-altering South American footballing infamy - if this had been against England we would be absolutely up in arms about it.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Jul 2, 2010 23:42:24 GMT 1
Agree. If refs make all the decisions anyway, they can also decide whether it's a definat goal. Refs make game changing decisions anyway. Suarez has got away with murder there. Unbelievable.
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Post by texmexshrew on Jul 2, 2010 23:47:42 GMT 1
He didn't even need to handball it. It was going for his face! Thought pretty much the same - he could have headed that away, but his gamble paid off in a way. What a choke on the penalty.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 3, 2010 0:00:43 GMT 1
I always think it's harsh You either get punished 3 times Red card, ban, goal
Or as tonight a hero
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 3, 2010 0:42:19 GMT 1
Agree with the original poster. Remember us benefiting in the same way against Burton in the Conference courtesy of Darren Moss.
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Post by rglenshrew on Jul 3, 2010 2:17:00 GMT 1
He commited a foul, and was punished accordingly. That's all there is to say.
Don't tell me for a second no one would have not done the same thing as Suarez?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 3, 2010 8:10:18 GMT 1
He commited a foul, and was punished accordingly. That's all there is to say. Don't tell me for a second no one would have not done the same thing as Suarez? Indeed, he was punished within the rules as they now are, I think the point folk are making is that those rules should be changed. So there is plenty more to say... In situations like that I think the goal should be given as a 'penalty goal' and the player red carded. The other team shouldnt have to bother with a penalty with a chance of missing...why should they? If it wasn't for a clear deliberate hand ball they would have scored, they shouldn't have to bother even trying to do so from the spot... Should stop folk doing that type of thing too...which you would then hope would stop everyone doing the same thing as Suarez did last night...
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Post by shrewswolf on Jul 3, 2010 9:16:55 GMT 1
He didn't even need to handball it. It was going for his face! I thought that too, he wasn't stretching to reach it, he just put his hands in front of his face to handball it. Good decision though I suppose. Such a shame for Ghana, I saw it differently to others - for the majority they were on top creating numerous chances, playing nice football at a fast pace.
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Post by rglenshrew on Jul 3, 2010 10:50:39 GMT 1
If only someone hacked down Iwelumo as the ball came across to him against Norway...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 3, 2010 11:04:48 GMT 1
I still maintain that the "penalty goal" rule would be impossible to judge. What if Suarez had been standing ont he post fromt he corner and there was doubt if the ball would have gone in, hit the post and come out, or hit the post and gone in. No way of knowing to give a goal, except in exceptional circumstances, but that puts way too mcuh pressure on the referee.
If they want to even it up a bit stop letting them have a keeper for the penalty.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Jul 3, 2010 11:08:22 GMT 1
So, should it have been a penalty goal and sending off for Kewell against Ghana?
The ball was smashed at him with force and struck him on the arm. The lad even had his eyes closed.
I always thought it had to be hand to ball, but officials seem incapable of deciding on that and one ref gives it another doesn't.
What about forwards who knock the ball in the net with their hand (Mr cheating Maradona for instance). Shouldn't they get a straight red and not a yellow? May make them think twice about trying it?
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jul 3, 2010 11:15:15 GMT 1
This will never happen.
Until the ball crosses the line a goal cannot be given.
Suarez took one for the benefit of the team and Ghana didn't take advantage.
Harsh on Ghana but thats football.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 3, 2010 14:58:32 GMT 1
I don't see what's wrong with it
It's punishable in the rules as red card. If Suarez wants to sacrifice himself for the sake of the team then good on him
If the ref didn't see the handball then we're talking uproar
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Post by monkee on Jul 3, 2010 15:17:53 GMT 1
I still maintain that the "penalty goal" rule would be impossible to judge. What if Suarez had been standing ont he post fromt he corner and there was doubt if the ball would have gone in, hit the post and come out, or hit the post and gone in. No way of knowing to give a goal, except in exceptional circumstances, but that puts way too mcuh pressure on the referee. absolutely right If they want to even it up a bit stop letting them have a keeper for the penalty. whAT Abot if the penalty is for a deliberate hand ball, stop the goalkeeper from using their hands in the penalty. this is one of the things i dont like about the world cup. because the general public are watching, not just football fans, things like this become national issues. people with no idea about football end up ringing in 606 with half assed opinions based on 1 football match or less. it seems like every time there is a decision that isnt widely popular, there are calls to change the rules, its a circus.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 3, 2010 23:10:23 GMT 1
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Post by Ned on Jul 3, 2010 23:17:35 GMT 1
It would only add to more controversity.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 3, 2010 23:23:09 GMT 1
It would only add to more controversity. Penalty tries. The difference in rugby is that referees are treated with respect. I think with decision making like this at the top of the game there is little hope for it being played in the right spirit: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8785140.stmFIFA considered a longer ban for unsportsmanlike behaviour but considered that he had little option. Dear me, what a shower.
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Post by Ned on Jul 3, 2010 23:29:02 GMT 1
It would only add to more controversity. Penalty tries. The difference in rugby is that referees are treated with respect. I think with decision making like this at the top of the game there is little hope for it being played in the right spirit: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8785140.stmFIFA considered a longer ban for unsportsmanlike behaviour but considered that he had little option. Dear me, what a shower. It's a bit different. Tries are alot different to goals. For example, a goalkeeper could save a shot... whereas there's nobody to save a try.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 3, 2010 23:34:54 GMT 1
is there a difference from yesterday to today ?
2 penalties tonight one for spain and one for paraguay both missed
no one would even consider questioning the 2 players who committed the fouls
one of which got away with just a yellow and stayed on the pitch when maybe it should have been a red the other will be playing in the semi final
spain even tried to get another penalty where the forward tried to trip himself up on the keeper
what saurez did yesterday was all above board its part of the game and not cheating
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jul 3, 2010 23:59:37 GMT 1
what saurez did yesterday was all above board its part of the game and not cheating Sadly it is part of the game - but only if it is tolerated - but it is cheating too.
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