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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Jun 27, 2010 16:41:50 GMT 1
Are these the four worse player to play for England In recent Years.
Shrek has been by FAR the worse player for England this world cup, if anyone disagrees please feel free to expalin,
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Post by salopross on Jun 27, 2010 16:56:29 GMT 1
Agree! He is too overated but people will still defend him. Heskey looses the ball, have a go and call him rubbish. Rooney looses the ball and they are still behind him saying it doesn't matter.
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Post by mrbunny on Jun 27, 2010 17:02:41 GMT 1
Rooney is overhyped but in defence of him he clearly isn't fit.Torres looks crap for Spain too but they have Villa and a class midfield to cover for his lack of sharpness we don't.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2010 17:12:01 GMT 1
rooney is a forward, you need to supply him with the ball all gerrard, lampard and barry did today was shoot
the defense was the problem today they were awful it would be a insult to sunday leaguers to say they were that bad but they were
i think i said over a week ago send terry home, the prat is still sulking and i think i could have played better myself
and when we need goals we send on our worst hope of getting one and take a decent forward off
it should have been crouch on for a defender
barry out terry out heskey out capello OUT
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Jun 27, 2010 17:15:29 GMT 1
rooney is a forward, you need to supply him with the ball all gerrard, lampard and barry did today was shoot the defense was the problem today they were awful it would be a insult to sunday leaguers to say they were that bad but they were i think i said over a week ago send terry home, the prat is still sulking and i think i could have played better myself and when we need goals we send on our worst hope of getting one and take a decent forward off it should have been crouch on for a defender barry out terry out heskey out capello OUT Capeelo out? has he suddenly become a bad manger, or do we need to face facts that we are totally and utterly s**t? Are Capello,Ericsson,Taylor,Venebales,Hoddle,Mclaren s**t managers?,or are expatiations too high and we simply dont have world class players?
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Post by Tux on Jun 27, 2010 17:16:15 GMT 1
We are 4-1 down and who does Fabio put on? Heskey. Flippin marvelous isn't it? Fair play to Heskey yes he does hold the ball up well and can be decent at times but he offers very little goal threat at all.
Also Pilch Rooney got the ball on many occasions and all he did was lose it and run in to defenders. He has to work a little you know? He can't be expect to be fed sitters.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jun 27, 2010 17:19:16 GMT 1
Rooney has been woeful, but when has he been passed the ball to feet in a scoring position?
He is another victim of Fabio's obsession with 4-4-2
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Jun 27, 2010 17:21:03 GMT 1
Rooney has been woeful, but when has he been passed the ball to feet in a scoring position? He is another victim of Fabio's obsession with 4-4-2 Fabio`s fault rooney is s**t and over rated and totally self obsessed?
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Post by R6ix on Jun 27, 2010 17:23:39 GMT 1
got to look at the manager, he as unable to put a system/team selection in place that was any where near good enough to get us any further in this competition, we were a shambles today and we didnt know how to turn it round?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jun 27, 2010 17:30:40 GMT 1
Fabio`s fault rooney is s**t and over rated and totally self obsessed? Over 30 goals in all competitions this season...
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Post by GlosShrew on Jun 27, 2010 17:32:16 GMT 1
rooney is a forward, you need to supply him with the ball all gerrard, lampard and barry did today was shoot the defense was the problem today they were awful it would be a insult to sunday leaguers to say they were that bad but they were i think i said over a week ago send terry home, the prat is still sulking and i think i could have played better myself and when we need goals we send on our worst hope of getting one and take a decent forward off it should have been crouch on for a defender barry out terry out heskey out capello OUT Capeelo out? has he suddenly become a bad manger, or do we need to face facts that we are totally and utterly s**t? Are Capello,Ericsson,Taylor,Venebales,Hoddle,Mclaren s**t managers?,or are expatiations too high and we simply dont have world class players? The worrying element for me is that if Capello can't turn us into a reasonably decent team - who can?? Hopefully he will have learnt a lot from his first international tournament, that he can apply in the Euro's. However I can still see the same old England - full of hype and hope but getting absolutely nowhere.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2010 17:35:29 GMT 1
fabio has not suddenly become crap, the whole world cup preparation was a shambles
not knowing your best XI until 2 games into the tournament was criminal the reason being was playing random players in the build up i'm guessing but i would imagine most nations final warm up game had the managers favoured starting XI starting
would he really have brought heskey on had walcott been on the bench instead of sitting at home ?
allowing players like terry into the squad to give him a chance for revenge was a schoolboy error and sure enough revolt terry did
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Post by clashcityrocker on Jun 27, 2010 17:47:09 GMT 1
England need to go back to basics. Looking at the Germany side, they will win it in 2014. Not necessarily this time, but certainly the next world cup.
We should now be looking to build a squad for 2018, when the world cup will hopefully be in England again.
By then Pearce should have been manager for at least 6 years, his involvement with the u21 set up should give him an advantage in knowing who is coming through the ranks and will be beneficial in having a squad that work together.
The whole Club/Country thing needs looking at, and the FA should look at how they can help England by getting the players together more often, and allowing them to work as a team.
By 2018, Joe will be the Keeper, and possibly captain too, og course.
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Post by blood red shrews on Jun 27, 2010 17:49:37 GMT 1
& Gerrard.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jun 27, 2010 17:49:43 GMT 1
Rooney likes to be the main man. 4-5-1 all day long we should play. The midfielders kept on shooting instead of feeding balls into Rooney. 4-5-1 will suite everybody in an England shirts as well, most of their clubs play it. As for Pilch's earlier post Barry out - Crap and was at fault with the 3rd and 4th goal. Heskey out - Worst player to ever put on an England shirt Capello out - Overated manager. Think he will resign. Terry out - Get a manager in who can handle these primadonna's and get these individuals playing as a team. Ferguson could do it but its fair to say he won't. Ideal candidate would be Mourinho. Him England and the World Cup 2014 are made for eachother. He wants to win every prize in football.
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Post by Dont believe the HYPE on Jun 27, 2010 17:52:17 GMT 1
Fabio`s fault rooney is s**t and over rated and totally self obsessed? Over 30 goals in all competitions this season... Kevin Phillips scored over 30 in in season,I suppose he should have been world footballer of the year. Rooney is a good player nothing more, he is certainly not in the top 10 players in the world and the press comparing him to Messi is an embarrassed.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jun 27, 2010 17:53:50 GMT 1
rooney is a forward, you need to supply him with the ball barry out terry out heskey out capello OUT Pilch Rooney was woeful throughout, his game is so much more than the Micheal Owen tap ins, Rooney is a workhorse normally. He was frankly dire and should not have started. There were some other shoddy performeances from non Man Utd players as well.... Still if anyone is worried about all the little cherubs they are still on £xxxxxxxxx per week.....
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Post by lazyshrew on Jun 27, 2010 17:54:56 GMT 1
Rooney was poor, but needed service.
Glenn Johnson was more of an embarrassment than anyone.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2010 17:55:45 GMT 1
terry cost us the first 2 goals which basically cost us the match he was 5 yards off the pace at least had carragher been playing he would have pulled the player down outside the box
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 27, 2010 17:59:35 GMT 1
Despite the shocker of a world cup Rooney's had, he's clearly a good player- the amount of goals he scores in the Premiership and his all round play tell you that.
He suffers from the fact that Man United, short on quality players, build their system around him, whereas England don't. United's over-reliance on him has also meant he's been rushed back into the team when he's clearly not ready, and arrived at South Africa free of injury, but woefully short of form or fitness.
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Post by blood red shrews on Jun 27, 2010 18:05:55 GMT 1
Rooney has gone back to how he played a couple of seasons ago having to drop deep to get the ball where as last season for United he played right up top and central he got into the 6 yard box to get on the end of crosses and did extremely well doing that. He didn't score from outside the area for United last season.
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Post by nicko on Jun 27, 2010 18:13:28 GMT 1
Rooney is a good player when on form, fit and his head is in the right place and that's it, a good player.
World Class he ain't and never has been.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2010 18:32:45 GMT 1
its funny how today the defence was a total shambles the midfield just passed the ball out for goal kicks or shot (badly)
and yet its the same old few blaming rooney
do they know how the game of football works ?
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Post by monkee on Jun 27, 2010 18:43:47 GMT 1
Steven gerrard was the worst player on the pitch along with Barry , Johnson and most of the others but gerrard is supposed to be the captain and was a poor example. Rooney looks like he is carrying an injury.
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Post by MarkRowley on Jun 27, 2010 18:44:38 GMT 1
Today wasn't Rooney's fault but there's no doubt that all tournament he has been off the pace and a fraction of the player that we have seen wearing his other red shirt. Service to him has been shocking but equally he has not made anything for himself, nor has he created anything for others. Heskey - enjoy your international retirement [img src="http://www.shropshire.btinternet.co.uk/smiley/ www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0223.gif"].gif[/img] we need goals so send for Ivanhoe Barry - caught out so many times, lost the ball uselessly for the 3rd, hopelessly outpaced for the 4th, all left foot and keeps giving the ball away, not international class Lampard - impressive shooting and desperately unlucky that goal not given but couldn't handle the German midfielders Gerrard - is patently not a left midfielder, should have been playing behind Rooney in the hole all tournament Defence - all of them were s**te today Milner & Cole - anonymous Defoe - feeding off scr@ps and never had the chance to expose the lack of pace at the heart of the German defence All in all a complete fiasco of a tournament. Only James comes out of today able to hold his head up, made several crucial saves in the first half although would feel himself he should have done better with their 3rd. Decent analysis by Messrs Hansen, Shearer & Dixon after the match, where you could tell the emotion in Shearer's voice in particular.
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Post by keithyshrew25 on Jun 27, 2010 18:49:15 GMT 1
would he really have brought heskey on had walcott been on the bench instead of sitting at home ? I imagine so, as we had SWP on the bench who is a carbon copy of Walcott!
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Post by blood red shrews on Jun 27, 2010 18:55:13 GMT 1
would he really have brought heskey on had walcott been on the bench instead of sitting at home ? I imagine so, as we had SWP on the bench who is a carbon copy of Walcott! Spot on
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jun 27, 2010 19:05:19 GMT 1
its funny how today the defence was a total shambles the midfield just passed the ball out for goal kicks or shot (badly) and yet its the same old few blaming rooney do they know how the game of football works ? I think you'll find most agree with you Pilch yet you seem to deny critism of a player dare I say it because he plays for Manchester United..... As I said previously there were other shockers out there over the 4 games. If you ask me the worst it would be Barry, Terry, Lampard, Upson, Rooney.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 27, 2010 19:10:40 GMT 1
Not one player came out of the game with any credit at all.
Shambles.
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Post by monkee on Jun 27, 2010 19:21:16 GMT 1
would he really have brought heskey on had walcott been on the bench instead of sitting at home ? I imagine so, as we had SWP on the bench who is a carbon copy of Walcott! when did swp score a hattrick in competition for England or play in the champions league (did he get an appearance with chelsea)? Wallcott has frightening pace, swp beats a player then passes it to the opposition or falls over. We had nobody with genuine pace, Wallcott offers that in abundance. he is also 7 years younger than swp and has actually shown some potential in his appearances for england, exactly what has swp done to justify his place in the squad , ever?
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