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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 2, 2010 13:52:56 GMT 1
Is appointing Graham Turner a backward step for STFC if he is the man chosen?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 2, 2010 14:11:05 GMT 1
Sure the answer to that is on the many threads already being discussed TBH
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Jun 2, 2010 14:56:26 GMT 1
Sure the answer to that is on the many threads already being discussed TBH Did you not start a thread along the same lines yesterday? I see GT has not been appointed yet and still you have started moaning. Moron.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jun 2, 2010 15:01:11 GMT 1
He's not a moron he's right
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 2, 2010 15:24:26 GMT 1
However have I moaned?
Cracked any anti-Jewish jokes lately?
Clown.
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Post by Barthez2104 on Jun 2, 2010 15:30:43 GMT 1
I beleive it's a step backwards, and maybe a case of living in the past. Yes, he was fantastic for us 30 years ago, and did a good job at Hereford with a team full of loan players. If he does come back and by December we are not where we are not as good as we should be, will the crowd turn on him like they did on Simpson and like they did on Peters.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 2, 2010 15:40:23 GMT 1
No way Barthez.
No Shrewsbury crowd would ever turn on GT.
If he feels he's struggling with the managerial side he'll just replace RW and hand over to someone else.
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Post by Barthez2104 on Jun 2, 2010 15:47:11 GMT 1
My point exactly. The crowd wouldn't turn, so why should he be exempt from criticism of an underperforming team at that time because of what he did in the past. Make judgement on the now not the past.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 2, 2010 15:53:57 GMT 1
Some of the newer members of the STFC family would turn if things didn't go well, not everyone remembers the old Meadow era etc.
Some only know the gliz and glamour of the Prostar and all this high expections that go with that.........
Would be a shame if Turner put himself in that place.
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Post by gay on Jun 2, 2010 16:01:56 GMT 1
The main focus has to be from the fans themselves - they need to be patient - I still think if we had of kept with Simmo we would be OK down the line. Luckily for Everton, fickle fans did not win the day with Moyes, however look at Charlton and over expectant fans demanding a top 10 finish in the premier league caused the downfall of Curbs and this season they play Dagenham instead of Arsenal.
Turner : It took a very average season at Wolves before the partnership of Mutch and Bull got them 2 consecutive promotions.
Jake King was the messiah to many but his managerial times were a joke, but he blames a lack of budget, just like Simmo had his hands tied as I believe.
Cotterill had the makings of a good team at Notts County and simply polished them off into Champions. We don't know if Turner will polish off the current squad into winners or like Peters will want his own players. He did more than alright in 78/79.
The fans would moan less if they were in Div 1 and struggling but surviving relegation rather than being a top 6 team.
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Post by shrew54 on Jun 2, 2010 16:40:03 GMT 1
What some of the younger ones on this forum do not seem to understand is that GT was not only a legend as a manager, he was a legend as a player and captain. He was player-manager when he took over from Richie Barker and although we were near the top when he took over he still had to get us over the finish line. If he does come here I hope he's a success for the club and himself, and it will make us happy too
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Post by captainpike on Jun 2, 2010 16:47:40 GMT 1
My point exactly. The crowd wouldn't turn, so why should he be exempt from criticism of an underperforming team at that time because of what he did in the past. Make judgement on the now not the past. I actually think this would be a good thing as a manager / management team needs time and the patience of the fans to build something. I'd happily take a season of mediocrity next season as long as towards the second half we could see progress. I'm not saying this will be the case, but if we want success maybe we have to learn to be a bit more patient. It took Rochdale a few years of season on season progress and Dagenham had made steady progress until the success of this season.
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Post by SY3 on Jun 2, 2010 16:56:56 GMT 1
Lets face it Turner is a quality manager. He will flourish here with our budget and potential. I think he will help to galvanise the club in general. In my opinion he is exactly what we need.
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Post by constantinople on Jun 2, 2010 17:26:20 GMT 1
Give the bloody man a chance.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 2, 2010 17:35:44 GMT 1
IF were in a bad position by christmas I don't believe the fans will turn on GT but wouln't like to be in RW's shoes...........
He can't afford another poor appointment so must be under pressure to get it right this time
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Post by mightyshrew on Jun 2, 2010 18:30:23 GMT 1
Lets face it Turner is a quality manager. He will flourish here with our budget and potential. I think he will help to galvanise the club in general. In my opinion he is exactly what we need. Lets face it, quite clearly he's not! Quality managers tend to avoid league 2 and manage in higher divisions!!
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Post by shrew54 on Jun 2, 2010 18:38:51 GMT 1
Lets face it, quite clearly he's not! Quality managers tend to avoid league 2 and manage in higher divisions!! GT managed both Villa and Wolves in the old 1st Division and was not given the best of opportunities. He is quality, and hopefully if he comes back, you will realise why he is held in such esteem by Town fans.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 2, 2010 18:53:27 GMT 1
It's not necessarily a backward step; a revered former manager, synonymous with 'the good old days' might be able to unite the club and supporters, or at least benefit from a reserve of good will and affection that might allow him to put down the foundations of success, while grooming a younger manager to take the helm a couple of seasons down the line. That's the optimistic outlook, anyway. The cynics might see it as living in the past, no small irony given the complete neglect of it since we moved to the new ground, and perhaps a choice made to appease the fans, rather than a to move the club forward. When Simpson came in this was the chairman's statement of intent: www.shrewsburytown.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10443~1333526,00.html Broadly, we're at the new ground, we want promotion as soon as possible (' the business case for promotion is becoming ever more compelling...') and we'll have plenty of juicy signings coming up. I think we back pedalled on this sometime around January 2009 and haven't really found our way again since. Expectations? No need to worry on that score anymore, the only thing I now 'expect' are further outlandish explanations as to why clubs like Dagenham, Morecambe and Aldershot out-perform us.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jun 2, 2010 18:54:36 GMT 1
So should Liverpool look no further than Dalglish if Rafa went...
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Post by The Black Fingernail on Jun 2, 2010 19:32:15 GMT 1
So should Liverpool look no further than Dalglish if Rafa went... Don't think your comparison works. Dalglish was an excellent player for Liverpool but a fairly poor manager. Turner (relatively speaking), was a decent player for us but a damned good manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 19:43:00 GMT 1
Unlike Turner, it is quite a number of years since Dalglish had any success.
As far as Turner inheriting the promotion team. That is true, but 3 years later he had to rebuild the team after the loss of Wardle, Keay, Atkins and Biggins and finished 9th in the old 2nd division.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Jun 2, 2010 20:03:30 GMT 1
It will be an absolute FORWARD step !!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 20:05:19 GMT 1
I may be missing the point, but I would see attraction of appointing GT not only in the context of past glories and managing a stylish team to promotion on a budget but also the influence he would surely bring to the running of the club.
A football man, who knows how to run a lower league club.
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Post by mightyshrew on Jun 2, 2010 20:11:05 GMT 1
So should Liverpool look no further than Dalglish if Rafa went... Don't think your comparison works. Dalglish was an excellent player for Liverpool but a fairly poor manager. Turner (relatively speaking), was a decent player for us but a damned good manager. Fairly poor manager? He won the double and two titles with two different teams?
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Post by The Black Fingernail on Jun 2, 2010 20:30:05 GMT 1
Don't think your comparison works. Dalglish was an excellent player for Liverpool but a fairly poor manager. Turner (relatively speaking), was a decent player for us but a damned good manager. Fairly poor manager? He won the double and two titles with two different teams? I would say yes, he was poor compared to Shankly and Paisley, and probably one or two others. I wonder what Liverpool supporters would think should his name be in the frame when Benitez finally leaves. After all, if he's such a good manager, what's he doing now? Turner, on the other hand, built on a dynasty that Durban and Barker started and Bates continued and I'd love to see him start another one.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Jun 2, 2010 20:48:38 GMT 1
I cant wait for GT to take over.I think he will have this club running well on and off the pitch with in 3 years.
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Post by Liam on Jun 2, 2010 21:06:53 GMT 1
I don't really see how appointing a manager with a good record in the lower leagues and a CV that encompasses all 5 of the top leagues could be considered "a backwards step."
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Post by Dale on Jun 2, 2010 21:14:54 GMT 1
GT may be getting on a bit now but he has a proven track record in management and he can get players to play their arses off for him (its by no coincidence that Hereford who had been struggling under John Trewick for most of last season, suddenly started to pick up form as soon as GT took over the reins again), he has a good eye for spotting the right player and I genuinely think he would be a good appointment with or without his STFC history.
If he could work with Hughesy or Jacko to create a 'old head, young head' management team, that could work out well, it certainly did at Bristol Rovers with Lawrence and Trollope....
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jun 2, 2010 21:22:39 GMT 1
I keep asking if he is bringing his money with him too?
That could also be a factor a feel.
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Post by oteley on Jun 2, 2010 21:31:52 GMT 1
Not a backward step at all. If we already getting negative threads before his appointment then what's it going to be like once it's official. Whoever we appoint certain posters won't be happy. I just hope starts off well, makes a couple of good signings and results are positive because if not.........
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