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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 3, 2004 21:53:01 GMT 1
We're closer to play-offs at 5.00pm than we were at 3.00pm with Barnet only drawing, despite great disappointment at late goals. I'd have settled for a draw at start of game, as would most of people around me.
To blame Quinn for subs is biggest load of rubbish I've read in long time - hindsight is a great thing. If he hadn't made substitutions and they'd scored twice, the same people would have complained about not bringing fresh legs on etc. Its defence at fault, not JQ subs.
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Post by PorkyShrew on Apr 3, 2004 21:56:06 GMT 1
here here
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Apr 3, 2004 21:57:59 GMT 1
Had either Rodgers or Cramb scored it would have said " well done Quinn" The goals were down to the defence not Quinn, Cramb or Rodgers and by the looks of it would still of happened had Banim and God both stayed on!
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Post by pawlo on Apr 3, 2004 22:02:33 GMT 1
To blame Quinn for subs is biggest load of rubbish I've read in long time - hindsight is a great thing. If he hadn't made substitutions and they'd scored twice, the same people would have complained about not bringing fresh legs on etc. On the other hand, if quinn had left them alone for another five minutes when they were on top, we may well have won and everyone, myself included would have had nothing to moan about.
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Post by rob on Apr 3, 2004 22:06:03 GMT 1
we werent ontop tho'.
We'd started sitting back and hoofing the ball. It was time to make a change to try and shake things up.
I still think Quinn should have brought Rodgers on earlier. But thats just being overly pickey i guess.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 3, 2004 22:07:45 GMT 1
Well said Pab - If it aint broke dont fix it - bare that in mind mister Quinn After DD and Banim came off the ball hardly stuck up front for lond (out side of the conrners) when defenders are clearing the last person you want under it is cramb - a few fancy flicks giving the ball away again i saw when he sould have gone for the corner - Darby could have stay on up front and just held the ball up for others (not that hard work) and just killed time off and reloved the pressure that the "sitting back and switching off" defence were under
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Post by pawlo on Apr 3, 2004 22:10:15 GMT 1
ok. 2 nil up with 5 minutes to go is in my books, on top.
and was it either darby or jodie doing the hoofin, no, so whats the point in subbing them 2?
Why didnt he sub lowe, or street or o connor, or even flippin tinson if he was injured?
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Post by Red Blue and Amber on Apr 3, 2004 22:11:40 GMT 1
Good post nottsshrew Iam not his greatest fan but to blame Quinn for the substitutionsand /or the goals is ridiculous it was down to a very iffy freekick given by a generally decent ref poor defending and good finishing by Exeter Like you I would have taken a point before the game started so while I am disspointed I am not in despair On the bright side 2 cracking goals by us and a good battling performance ( the 3rd in a week)AND Sam will be back soon I thought Banim was pretty poor today Am I alone in that?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 3, 2004 22:13:11 GMT 1
my only criticism of the subs was why no defenders on the bench - what if one gets injured, we've no cover. The way Sedgemore played, I think Leon deserves a place on Tuesday.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 3, 2004 22:13:47 GMT 1
errr heres a point wheres Sammy A going to play when back - cant drop Lee L hes good at the moment - cant we stick Astion out Right and get rid of lowe
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Post by pawlo on Apr 3, 2004 22:14:27 GMT 1
ahhh, but would you have taken a point 5 minutes from full time??
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Post by rob on Apr 3, 2004 22:28:43 GMT 1
Depends how the question was phrased Pab
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Post by stockportershrew on Apr 3, 2004 22:52:47 GMT 1
banim was average -sedgemore and Lowe 2nd half were poor.
Mr Pricey I know you hate cramby but your being a bit harsh. He won more headers in the last five mins than DD did all game (who was excellent before you get started on me). We simply defended to deep and & sedge and Lowe seemed intent on giving the ball away as often as possible
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Post by R6ix on Apr 3, 2004 23:43:22 GMT 1
well said pab, i might have taken a point at 3.oo but not 2.0 with a few minitues to go? you know with Darby any balls played upfront he will battle for and hold on to, as cramby unless its on his toe at the edge of the box he dont wanna know,he would rather pass it to the opposition than fight and battle for it.they didnt have a sniff till we swapped it round, should have just been rodgers for banim
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Post by R6ix on Apr 3, 2004 23:54:43 GMT 1
same here, i belived all the radcliffe hype and thought he would be a goal machine, but in all honesty he has scored 2 goals into open nets ? still early days
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Post by picken on Apr 4, 2004 0:18:30 GMT 1
The facts are nothing to do with today's substitutions.
Quinn has failed to take advantage of our best opportunity to get back into the league.
Too many points lost in the dying minutes of games.
Failure to address the problems on the left side of the team.
Too many park footballers in the team (Lowe Sedgemore, Rioch, Tolley)
A weak midfield where O'Connor has had little help.
No cover at centre back which will prove critical in the next fortnight..
Poor performance against the teams at the business end of the league
Failure to take advanmtage of the support and a budget that was designed to get us promotion
In the unlikely event that we get promoted via the play offs; we'll be favorites to come straight back down
Cut our losses and if he hasn't the dignity to resign at the end of the season the Chirman has to stand up and be counted and sack him.
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Post by rob on Apr 4, 2004 0:40:56 GMT 1
Play-offs were the target. We're on course for the Play-offs. He's reaching his targets.
Yes we're short in midfield, but Tolley,Edwards and Aiston are injured. Thats 3 players that are automatically in contention for a start!!!Most teams would struggle.
The left sided problem has been solved. Lee Lawrence looks pretty good at left midfield, he certanly puts himself about a lot and covers a lot of ground. Challis is simply awsome, that man wins everyheader he goes for!!!
is it possible people are still very sensitive and paranoide after last season???
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Post by R6ix on Apr 4, 2004 0:41:28 GMT 1
i think we needed a manager in this season who would get it right first time, if this was still 3rd div im sure we would be singing jimmys praise to the rafters, but we are struggling against poor part time teams at best, i cant think of any real reason why we havnt taken this league by storm,
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Post by R6ix on Apr 4, 2004 0:44:00 GMT 1
playoffs? whose targets were they then? towns was to win the league
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Post by rob on Apr 4, 2004 0:50:30 GMT 1
The board and the manager set out the targets;
Play-offs at the minimum this year,
Next year promotion (prefereably automatic).
Most of the supporters accepted this as being realistic.
No chance were we going to storm this league, its a world apart from div3 in every aspect possible!
Rational though accepted that it would take time to adapt. Besides we were always going to struggle against the better side, because they have decent backing too and have settled sides.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 4, 2004 2:18:38 GMT 1
clearly argued by Rob and Picken
Let's get out of this league as soon as we can I reckon, I wish it was this year but to be honest I think next year is far more realistic, and even that involves some tough decisions on players in the summer
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Post by Jonah on Apr 4, 2004 10:50:06 GMT 1
Throb why is next year more realistic?? It is pretty obvious that this squad needs rebuilding whatever league we are in next year.
JQs signings have clearly been for an assualt this year . He has invested little in the future.
He has made the same mistake as Ratcliffe by relying on old heads and tired legs.Definately not the way to get out of the conference.
Darby,Cramb,Oconnor,Rogers,Lowe and Tinson will all be gone next year so we are back to squad building.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 4, 2004 13:11:45 GMT 1
Throb why is next year more realistic?? It is pretty obvious that this squad needs rebuilding whatever league we are in next year. JQs signings have clearly been for an assualt this year . He has invested little in the future. He has made the same mistake as Ratcliffe by relying on old heads and tired legs.Definately not the way to get out of the conference. Darby,Cramb,Oconnor,Rogers,Lowe and Tinson will all be gone next year so we are back to squad building. Excellent post Jonah,
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Post by Chris J on Apr 4, 2004 13:44:08 GMT 1
Well said Pab - If it aint broke dont fix it - bare that in mind mister Quinn After DD and Banim came off the ball hardly stuck up front for lond (out side of the conrners) when defenders are clearing the last person you want under it is cramb - a few fancy flicks giving the ball away again i saw when he sould have gone for the corner - Darby could have stay on up front and just held the ball up for others (not that hard work) and just killed time off and reloved the pressure that the "sitting back and switching off" defence were under Sorry, but Quinn did what I and everyone around me was saying he should do. Darby was shattered - I heard he thanked JQ for bringing him off! - and couldn't have kept playing the way he did any longer. (My MOM, BTW). Luke was an ideal replacement for Banim to chase down their defenders so they couldn't play it back without pressure. The quality of ball to Luke and Cramb was the problem - and the fact they were supposed to be holding it up with no support whatsoever. IMHO the midfield and defence were culpable for panicking and hoofing away possession for the last 10 mins. Exeter could pack our box and launch it in, in the safe and certain knowledge that if we cleared the ball it would only come straight back to them. We were sloppy with possession all through the game and only the facts that Darby ran his guts out on scraps and Exeter are a poor route-one side who inexplicably left their top scorer on the bench saved us from a real beating. If Ryan casually gives the ball away like he did one more time I will have to get Pete to hold on to me to stop me from jumping over the wall and slapping him. We never had control of the game, partly due to Exeter's hustle, credit to them. If Quinn deserves any criticism, it might be for not putting a fresh pair of legs in the midfield to support the strikers, but then my hindsight is 20/20.
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