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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 11:22:25 GMT 1
The next meeting is on Tuesday 13th January 2004 7.30 p.m. at the Arthur Rowley Players Bar.
Ideas/ questions to be brought up at the meeting should be posted here...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 11:38:00 GMT 1
are we likely to see any ticket price decreases/reductions at the Meadow this year as promised at the start of the season?
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Jan 6, 2004 14:40:20 GMT 1
Can i also ask if the club will introduce family tickets to enter the terraces rather just the family stand, not everyone wants to sit.
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Post by welshshrew5 on Jan 6, 2004 15:06:29 GMT 1
Telfordshrew, this was raised at the last couple of meetings and has been taken to the board by Judy.
Should be able to provide an update this time next week.
Cheers.
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Post by Bilbo on Jan 6, 2004 15:13:31 GMT 1
Is there any plans to help the regular 350-400 town away fans who aren't season ticket holders to ensure they get tickets for forthcoming games like Hereford, Telford and Morecame (excuse Spelling) last game of the season.
It would be a travisty if the regulars miss out!!!
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 6, 2004 15:22:39 GMT 1
Is there any plans to help the regular 350-400 town away fans who aren't season ticket holders to ensure they get tickets for forthcoming games like Hereford, Telford and Morecame (excuse Spelling) last game of the season. It would be a travisty if the regulars miss out!!! The same thing was mentioned time and time again for the Tamworth game and I know for certain that people without priority cards got tickets, so everyone that has is either a season ticket holder or a priority ticket will get a ticket Im sure of it. We'll get more than 880 anyway. On the other hand not all of us can afford to travel away a lot and miss out, why should we be punished?
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Post by welshshrew5 on Jan 6, 2004 15:32:20 GMT 1
Tickets for Tamworth stayed on sale until a few days before the match I believe.
HerefordShrew then put a post on this board asking for people to contact him with their opinions of what was done right/wrong, who missed out etc.
We've also done an a questionnaire of the fans at Stevenage (results of which will be out soon hopefully!), and this questionnaire is also likely to be on the Internet in the next few days with a bit of luck.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 15:36:22 GMT 1
On the other hand not all of us can afford to travel away a lot and miss out, why should we be punished? Problems arise with this line of thinking. There is no doubting that it is not just the fans who go week in week out, home and away who consider themselves to be loyal. As you have pointed out JP some fans can't afford to go to every away game due to costs, having a large family, having to work on some Saturdays, or living 250 miles away etc. - even though they would bleed blue and amber if cut in half. However the problem is that if the club take into account this then the only 'fair' way would be a free for all - everyone treated the same - first come first serve. It'd be madness if that was the case.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 6, 2004 15:49:43 GMT 1
No I agree that the tickets should go to those who can/do travel away, but the attitude has to change that "we deserve it more than you" just because they can afford it. It has been said before that some people have to choose particular games because of financial restrictions or family priorities, so are we going to 'means test' to see who can go?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 16:05:20 GMT 1
Not quite sure what you're suggesting JP owd lad - you say the tickets should go to those who go regularly away but then talk about 'means testing' as to who should get priority - sorry if I've missed the obvious point here.
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Post by Blues in Crewe on Jan 6, 2004 16:13:03 GMT 1
there is no truely fair way to allocate for away games ie i have a priority card if i lived closer i would go to games week in week out home and away but as it is i cant and am reliant on booking flights months in advance to be able to afford to get back for a game i'm booked to be back for Telford (fa trophy permitting) obviously dependant on ticket allocation have no certainty of getting a shrews ticket but its certinately not going to be difficult for me or anyone else to get hold of one for the telford end
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 6, 2004 16:13:43 GMT 1
It's been said before, i'm sure it'll be said again. I think the club are far more concearned with home attendances as opposed to the amount of away fans travelling around the country. Afterall it is the home fans that bring in the gate money. All away fans do is boost the grandness of a club, or even raise the club status amongst its peers. All may have benefits to the club, but they are not as noticable as the money raised by an extra 1,500 on the gate for a home game. I will be at the match on saturday with the old man. Last game before uni kicks off.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 6, 2004 16:14:39 GMT 1
No probs: I mean by "means testing" is you can say you have been to every away game but how can you prove it?
Everyone who does travel to every home game should sign up to the away supporters...problem solved.
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Post by tricky questions on Jan 6, 2004 16:16:02 GMT 1
No I agree that the tickets should go to those who can/do travel away, but the attitude has to change that "we deserve it more than you" just because they can afford it. It has been said before that some people have to choose particular games because of financial restrictions or family priorities, so are we going to 'means test' to see who can go? the only way of deciding who to give these tickets to is to do with their loyalty You have to be able to measure loyalty The only thing STFC has to measure our loyalty is our financial transactions. It is the harsh truth, you have to have something quantifiable, something you can count up and see who has the most, and money or games attended are the only things you can count STFC doesn't have a "love-o-meter" to test how much we all love STFC. What is does have is supporters clubs, season tickets, priority cards, an away travel club etc etc so that those commited can identify themselves the basic harsh reality of life to STFC is that the fans they need to keep sweet are the ones worth the most money, or the ones potentially worth the most in the future. That is why the executive club gets special benefits, it's not a welfare state, there is enough for everyone, even if you can't ever afford to go to a game you can still watch training and go to the open day, but we need to be realistic I find it hard to believe that there are hundreds of away fans who aren't priority cards holders / season ticket holders / away travel members (surely) / super blues members, junior blues members or something like that. In which case almost everyone who "deserves" a ticket should get one there is still no clear way of measuring who went to which away game, there is no voucher / card / photo system that will work, or is worth the effort and money for what will only be one or two games which is easier, the club to spend hundreds of pounds a year registering every away fan at every away game, or an individual to join the away travel club?
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Post by Bilbo on Jan 6, 2004 18:24:27 GMT 1
I personally can't afford the original outlay for a season ticket, but have no problem finding the £12 for home games and £30+ for away games. I was wondering if it would be possible next year, where the club do a direct debit scheme for season tickets? This would encourage more people to get them. However, I know a few will say the club need the initial outlay first, but surely they could do it with Direct Debit aswell to get those extra pounds coming in. Maybe this could be mentioned at the next ticketing meeting. Your thoughts would be appreciated
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Post by grinfish on Jan 6, 2004 18:33:20 GMT 1
Nice idea IMO Bilbo, only thing is, does the club get more money from you paying at the gate all year than it would if you had a season ticket?
Paying by DD would no doubt make it more convenient to pay, but would it necessarily attract NEW money into the club, or just save more current fans money, thence reducing the actual club income? What are the costs associated with administrating a DD system?
Then again, those are questions the Board have to look at, not us.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 6, 2004 18:34:51 GMT 1
I think this idea has been said as has half year season ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 18:51:28 GMT 1
The DD scheme has been done before in previous seasons but the club had people cancelling during the season and as a result haven't done it since
Maybe there is a way around this such as people putting a desposit down when they sign up - obviously this couldn't be too high else it would put the whole idea of the plan down.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jan 6, 2004 20:05:02 GMT 1
Following on from WelshShrew's post I got NO responses to my request for feedback (I will check with Judy Shone if she got any via the Programme article).
I am assuming therefore that anyone who wanted a Tamworth ticket got one . Indeed the Ticketing Group almost sufferred the embarrassment of having to admit the demand we had suggested was there, wasn't!
What I will hope to follow up at the next Group meeting is how the Away Supporters FC and Away Travel Club found demand and to review how many should be allocated to them for future games .
It's not too late to have your say.
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Post by Jimmy Q on Jan 6, 2004 21:13:06 GMT 1
Im a season ticket holder who has been to every game this season, home and away, i filled in a questionaire , but i was never asked my name, might be an idea to start asking for peoples names if you are going to get an idea of who travels away.
Good point was made about the numbers of tickets certain away groups were allocated, and distributed long before season ticket holders were able to buy their tickets.
There is never going to be a fair way of distributing the tickets, and im sure the club are keen to maintain a good relationship with ALL fans, ideally Town should operate a system of 1 Fan = 1 Ticket ., loyal fans may choose to be season tickets holders, members of the away travel, and possibly even official supporter, therefore they maybe entitled to 2 or even 3 tickets, which they are free to give to whoever they choose, EBF ? Telford fans?
Town have my name and address on a database somewhere they send me raffle tickets,
If all else fails, give priority to anybody who went on saturday, thats the most fair way!!!
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on Jan 6, 2004 21:16:06 GMT 1
Can I just say thanks to how the club helped out exiles with tickets for Tamworth. By allowing reservation with card/voucher numbers during the postal strike it was much appreciated. There was one slight point that probably could be raised - and it is very minor, personal to our experience, and may never happen to anyone else again. Mitchell (4) does not need a priority ticket as he gets into The Meadow (and many other grounds) for free. Tamworth decided he needed to pay and therefore he needed a ticket. BUT although we both had priority tickets and Louis didn't need one, Town said they couldn't sell us a ticket for Mitchell as he didn't have a priority card. Thankfully we managed to track down and organise someone elses season ticket voucher - otherwise none of us could have purchased then as we couldn't have risked him not getting one. We could hardly abandon him outside (although.... ) This has come about by inconsistancies in child admission policies of different clubs and the moral is now to get a card for someone who doesn't seem to need one on the face of it. Just perhaps it was a little over the top given the fact that he genuinely didn't seem to need a priority card and maybe it was a bit tough on the little chap. On another plus side for the Town and kids, Louis who was one at the time, and Mitchell had to both pay at Margate (sorry Dover)!
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Post by Guest on Jan 6, 2004 21:24:08 GMT 1
Who is invited to the group meetings?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 21:42:17 GMT 1
Any Town fans can attend the meetings
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 6, 2004 23:04:18 GMT 1
I remember last month someone posted a link to a site that gave you a value as a fan of your team, and since I was most valuable, I get automatic priority
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 23:12:47 GMT 1
I remember last month someone posted a link to a site that gave you a value as a fan of your team, and since I was most valuable, I get automatic priority See there are problems with every system that values supporters committment In all seriousness STFC will never be able to rate one supporters loyalty or support to their club over another. As previously mentioned on this thread the only way that STFC currently have of showing loyalty is through financial transactions be it season ticket holders, priority card holders or the amount spent at the club shop etc...
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Jan 8, 2004 4:05:23 GMT 1
Just to answer a point raised by Herefordshrew re how the allocation worked out for the Away Supporters Football Team.
I spoke with Judy and initially suggested we would probably need 22 tickets. 17 for those who use the 17 seater mini bus plus 5 for the exiles who make their own way to ASFC matches (Ant, Phil, Gallon, Chris & Giles). I said I'd let her know for definate once I'd finalsed my numbers.
In the end I had 2 people who booked on the mini bus who weren't regulars. I booked their seats, but said they would have to sort out their own tickets (which they did); that is because I said all along I would only get tickets for the regulars as I believe that to be only fair.
In my initial assessment I managed to forget one of our regulars, Ray, who usually travels by car.
This meant in total we required 21 tickets, and that is what I had off Judy.
It worked out very well for us and it's nice to know the club do think of us and recognise the effort and commitment we put in both representing and following Town.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2004 4:11:28 GMT 1
don't forget me
the bestist player to ever play for the away supporters ;D
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