|
Post by barrynic on Jul 15, 2009 17:45:57 GMT 1
I think if Davies had turned down a deal, say during 2007-08, and again now, then the club have done all that they could. However if I was in charge, I would have let the fans know this sequence of events on his departure One wonders if they will let the sequence of events be known leading up to Humphreys departure, now that would be interesting.
|
|
|
Post by rich on Jul 15, 2009 18:19:45 GMT 1
I think we'll be seeing a permanent signing coming in now Humphrey's gone. Simmo said quite clearly that if Hump went a replacement would be signed. This was in a news article on the official website. This looks like the relevant bit of those rules. It apparently should still go to a tribunal if no fee can be agreed: C. RULES RELATING TO PLAYERS 1 Players with Written Contracts (n) Re-engagement of Players (v) In the event of a Player registered with a Club in membership with The FA Premier League or The football League being offered re-engagement terms in accordance with the regulations of the appropriate league but wishing to accept an engagement as a Player with a Club not in membership with either league, and the Clubs not being able to reach agreement on the payment of a compensation fee, providing the Club concerned has complied with the appropriate league’s regulations relating to right to a compensation fee, such compensation fee shall be determined by an appeals committee comprising one nominated representative of each of The Association (who shall act as chairman), The FA Premier League or The football League, the Professional footballers’ Association and the other league involved. IMHO he had nowhere near Asamoah's talent. Asamoah was quick, had a trick or two, and could score. On the other hand his departure was handled much worse than the Humph's. motherwell arent that much higher than league 2 srtandard Apart from the Celtic and Rangers games (in which they got 8 - 10,000 last year), their average attendance was 500 - 1,000 lower than ours. I don't know the overall average but it's probably 3 - 4 hundred above ours.
|
|
|
Post by markglasgow on Jul 15, 2009 18:28:55 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 15, 2009 18:34:12 GMT 1
Utter farce, as was the Davies mistake. We should of sorted contracts out last Winter. We have lost three key players due to this mistake. Whoever made the choice of withdrawing contract offers till after the season has finished should be hung. Never mind we have Hibbert & Dunfield! Think you'll find that's the board then. Who did it because the players were rejecting the offers made to them. With the recession and I believe the possible extension of salary cap the club took the view that negs would start after the season had finished. And if you think about it, 4 out of the 6 signed. Moss, Davies & Hump = 3.
|
|
|
Post by shrew4life on Jul 15, 2009 18:41:33 GMT 1
Such a frustrating player. Not bothered he's gone surely we can find someone who can actually control the ball and has an ounce of a footballing brain.
|
|
|
Post by micksturbs on Jul 15, 2009 18:44:38 GMT 1
1 out of the 4 contracted players who were allegedly( )/apparently( ) in discussions before the withdrawal of negotiations during the winter period went on to sign a contract at the end of the season - Since then 1 was released and the club now find themselves a defender short as cover at right back and the other 2 have chosen to move on for financial reasons and the club find themselves arguably lightweight in midfield.
|
|
|
Post by nicko on Jul 15, 2009 18:44:19 GMT 1
Paul Murray had some interesting comments about the quality of the SPL during his Q&A along side Holt a few months back.
I think Hump may feel at home, except against Rangers and Celtic.
|
|
|
Post by Shrewd Operator on Jul 15, 2009 18:58:39 GMT 1
Humphrey who was linked with Championship side Blackpool and who has signed for Europe bound Scottish Premier League team Motherwell is not good enough for Shrewsbury according to 3/4 of you lot on here, says it all really.
|
|
|
Post by northwestman on Jul 15, 2009 20:02:46 GMT 1
I think the club owes us a full explanation as to how the contract negotiations were handled in the case of Davies and Humphrey.
Anything less and the concerns raised on this board will continue to be voiced.
However, I won't hold my breath!
|
|
|
Post by nicko on Jul 15, 2009 20:14:11 GMT 1
I think the club owes us a full explanation as to how the contract negotiations were handled in the case of Davies and Humphrey. Anything less and the concerns raised on this board will continue to be voiced. However, I won't hold my breath! Maybe they asked for too much money at a time when nobody knew what division we would be in. Ben Davies has gone for wages the Club could not or would not match. Ben Herd is training with a team way down the pyramid and has not found a club. So, either he is not as good as he or the vast majority of B&A think he is, or he has priced himself out of the market. I think it's a bit of a no brainier the Club tightening its belt after pushing the boat out last season and good for them for doing it.
|
|
|
Post by shrew4life on Jul 15, 2009 20:35:20 GMT 1
Humphrey who was linked with Championship side Blackpool and who has signed for Europe bound Scottish Premier League team Motherwell is not good enough for Shrewsbury according to 3/4 of you lot on here, says it all really. Both clubs must have very bad scouts then. Anyone who knows the game of football could see he just didnt have the natural ability. A cheap gamble for motherwell though.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 20:43:52 GMT 1
Humphrey who was linked with Championship side Blackpool and who has signed for Europe bound Scottish Premier League team Motherwell is not good enough for Shrewsbury according to 3/4 of you lot on here, says it all really. No what says it all is the completely differing opinions of him. Some say he's a good player, other says he's not good enough, others say he has potential - to me that just shows he's inconsistent Ive heard of the rumours about the lack of coaching but dont know if its true. I do think with coaching he could improve as there has been steady improvement from, a year ago i would have said he wasnt good enough for league football but have definitley changed my mind My biggest complaint about him going is he offered us something different............PACE
|
|
|
Post by WindsorShrew on Jul 15, 2009 21:03:02 GMT 1
Regarding money if Hump was the lowest paid player in the mainstream 11 last term would he be entitled to a pay rise after establishing himself as a constant in the side.
|
|
|
Post by jaytee on Jul 15, 2009 21:23:28 GMT 1
Maybe Ian is miffed because the news broke on here first He could have said you heard it here third. Chris is one of the nicest Shrewsbury players I've met. But ability wise, I can't say I was impressed. I kept expecting him to learn a few tricks from PS, but he didn't. I hope you've got a good deal at Motherwell, Chris, and I'd like to think the 'Well fans are as patient as Town fans were with you. If they aren't, just think of the money.
|
|
|
Post by Daviimo on Jul 15, 2009 22:19:44 GMT 1
rangers and celtic = premier league / championship up and downers (bit like west brom, sunderland) Hearts, Hibs, Dundee United and Aberdeen Championship
Motherwell hmm could be a League 1 side.
|
|
|
Post by shrewswolf on Jul 15, 2009 22:44:32 GMT 1
Good luck to humphrey but not gutted to see him go. Have it on good authority that Simmo has been talking to David Worrall and we could see him back on loan in the next week or so.
|
|
|
Post by shrewed54 on Jul 15, 2009 23:21:50 GMT 1
Good luck to humphrey but not gutted to see him go. Have it on good authority that Simmo has been talking to David Worrall and we could see him back on loan in the next week or so. I'm sorry but Worrall had a good 45 minutes for the Town he is not a right midfield player and if played there would reduce our attacking options. Forgive me if I'm wrong but 2 years ago didn't Peters offer both Leslie and Humphrey there contracts mid season so that they could concentrate on their game rather than worry about whether or not they'd have a club at the end of the season. Also the season before that wasn't Edwards offered at least 4 contracts which he refused to sign and weren't fans kept upto date with how the negotiations were going. How things have change and not always for the better.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 0:47:03 GMT 1
Humphrey who was linked with Championship side Blackpool and who has signed for Europe bound Scottish Premier League team Motherwell is not good enough for Shrewsbury according to 3/4 of you lot on here, says it all really. Both clubs must have very bad scouts then. Anyone who knows the game of football could see he just didnt have the natural ability. A cheap gamble for motherwell though. So Gary Peters, Paul Simpson, Ian Holloway and Jim Gannon all think he's of football league standard; and the player has nearly 100 appearances at football league level under his belt. Suggests to me he's a football league standard player. But hey, what do they know.
|
|
CEJ
Midland League Division Two
Posts: 247
|
Post by CEJ on Jul 16, 2009 7:02:21 GMT 1
Ant posted my sentiments exactly - "So Gary Peters, Paul Simpson, Ian Holloway and Jim Gannon all think he's of football league standard; and the player has nearly 100 appearances at football league level under his belt.
Suggests to me he's a football league standard player."
He was a player that had the one thing that all defences hate, at all standards, pace. He was improving all the time, he was starting to win man of the match awards and as a player he excited me.
I am sure that over time it will prove to be Motherwells gain and our lose.
I now think we have lost 3 very good players in Davies, Humphrey and Moss (possibly 4 with Herd) and replacements of that standard will be difficult to find, but only time will tell!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 8:29:42 GMT 1
Both clubs must have very bad scouts then. Anyone who knows the game of football could see he just didnt have the natural ability. A cheap gamble for motherwell though. So Gary Peters, Paul Simpson, Ian Holloway and Jim Gannon all think he's of football league standard; and the player has nearly 100 appearances at football league level under his belt. Suggests to me he's a football league standard player. But hey, what do they know. Not sure it's that simple Ant. They all see/saw a player with pace, which we all know is real asset. I'm not entirey sure Simpson is too disappointed to see him go - I suspect the contract offer was primarily to ensure we got a fee (even though it looks like we may not!). Holloway and Gannon may well believed we they could use that pace effectively in their set-up, but I'm pretty sure Gannon and the Motherwell fans are going to be as frustrated as most of us were when they realise the while Hump has pace, he has little else to offer form a footballing perspective, and despite his 100 odd appearances he just hasn't developed enough and there are few signs that that will change. For Chris' sake I hope I'm wrong. I'm not happy with the way this has all panned out, but I don't really blame Chris - it's almost certainly his agent 'advising' him - but I honestly think that unless Gannon has some tricks up his sleeve to get the best out of him (and to be fair Gannon's a decent manager), Chris may struggle against anything other than the weaker SPL teams.
|
|
|
Post by shrewblue on Jul 16, 2009 8:37:02 GMT 1
Out of interest it makes this statement on the BBC Transfers page....."If an out-of-contract player under 24 rejects the offer of a new deal and moves to another club under the same national association (eg within England), his old club are entitled to a compensation fee. Unless the two clubs agree a fee, this will be set by a tribunal."
15 July If the above is right looks like no compensation and I guess CH and his agent probably would be aware of that and had to look north of the border because for some reason CH was determined not to play for Salop this year if he could avoid it presumably money was the motivation/ (probably more for the agent than for Chris)
|
|
|
Post by Jonah on Jul 16, 2009 8:42:21 GMT 1
Both clubs must have very bad scouts then. Anyone who knows the game of football could see he just didnt have the natural ability. A cheap gamble for motherwell though. So Gary Peters, Paul Simpson, Ian Holloway and Jim Gannon all think he's of football league standard; and the player has nearly 100 appearances at football league level under his belt. Suggests to me he's a football league standard player. But hey, what do they know. I agree with you Ant
|
|
|
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 16, 2009 8:51:50 GMT 1
Football managers always get it right then!
In this case I'll back my judgement against these 3 gentlemen, but only time will tell who is right.
I'll make a diary note to check where Humphrey is playing in 2012.
|
|
|
Post by texmexshrew on Jul 16, 2009 10:32:46 GMT 1
Good.
Good luck to him, but glad hes gone.
|
|
|
Post by heavenlyshrew on Jul 16, 2009 10:38:26 GMT 1
I am hoping now we can get a winger who can cross a ball or look for a simple pass.I have to say hump losses the ball to much or runs the ball out for a throw in or goal kick.I think in the whole of last season hump only cut back inside about 5 times and that just aint good enough.
|
|
|
Post by horse01 on Jul 16, 2009 11:38:12 GMT 1
I can't say i'm overly disappointed that Chris has gone, although it was entertaining to bet on whether his crosses would stay in or drift out??!!
I take on board what Ant and others say about Hump making 100 or so appearances, but out of those 100, how many were stand out appearances??
I can recall a great cross at Gillingham and a great performance at D & R.
2 out of 100- is that really good enough??
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 16, 2009 12:45:31 GMT 1
I am amazed. Fair play to him.
I think we can sign better though. Maybe not the same "potential" but the same end product.
|
|
|
Post by shrewed54 on Jul 16, 2009 12:47:16 GMT 1
I am amazed. Fair play to him. I think we can sign better though. Maybe not the same "potential" but the same end product. Do you honestly think we can sign better for the same amount we were paying Chris, I doubt it.
|
|
|
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 16, 2009 12:53:09 GMT 1
Does it matter he clearly did not want to stay did he???
Who knows we might get another young, prospect for the same money for all anyone knows, and as a bonus this one might be able to cross....
|
|
|
Post by Jonah on Jul 16, 2009 13:00:01 GMT 1
I am amazed. Fair play to him. I think we can sign better though. Maybe not the same "potential" but the same end product. Do you honestly think we can sign better for the same amount we were paying Chris, I doubt it. Which was exactly how much ED?
|
|