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Post by neilsalop on Jul 15, 2009 14:21:43 GMT 1
Good luck to the lad. From the fourth division to european football in one step. I think he'll shine for them. Another Asamoah Maybe, maybe not, but at least Chris has the best wishes of most of the Shrewsbury supporters. Either way he'll be playing against good teams one week and appalling ones the next so he should look good at least every other week
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Post by glasgowshrew on Jul 15, 2009 14:59:51 GMT 1
With Gannon in charge this will be one of many lower division signings Motherwell (in my opinion) will struggle all season due to losing some good players (Hughes, Quinn and Clarkson). If they get knocked out of Europe in the next round it will not be a big shock since Gannon looks like he is having to build a new team from scratch with very little money. I hope he does well and wish he had stayed with us. It is also worth noting that he may not play in Europe this season, he was not signed in time to be registered for the game against Flamurtari. So if Motherwell lose this achievement may have to wait (or never happen!) If it is the case that we do not receive compensation it is not the first time this has happened. York got stung by Hibs with Clayton Donaldson (now crewe) transfering between countries Link------> No compensation The Webster transfer mentioned elsewhere is a different clause - this allowed players to buy out a contract after a certain point Article 17 of FIFA's Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players is entitled "Consequences of Terminating a Contract Without Just Cause", and is the fifth article of Chapter IV, "Maintenance of Contractual Stability between Professionals and Clubs". It outlines the provisions which apply if a contract is terminated without just cause, and the requirement for the party in breach to pay compensation.[9] Specifically, it states that any player who signed a contract before the age of 28 can buy himself out of the contract three years after the deal was signed. If he is 28 or older the time limit is shortened to two years.[10][11] Article 17 was introduced in December 2004, with effect from 1 July 2005.[12]
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Post by thepottedshrew on Jul 15, 2009 15:06:50 GMT 1
Bit surprising that there is nothing up on ShrewsWeb. Would have thought that any fee (or not as the case might be) would be reported there.
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Post by shrewed54 on Jul 15, 2009 15:12:59 GMT 1
This is one for the record books Jonah and I agreeing, I honestly believe that today the club has lost a good player and one given the right support on the field could be a very good player. I some of the really good creative midfield players the Town have had over the years had been around to feed Humphrey behind the full back we would be in Division 1 now.
Unfortunately the last player the Town had to do that was Jemson.
Good luck Chris I hope your performances in Scotland come back to haunt Simpson and Bickerton.
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Post by Scarecrow on Jul 15, 2009 15:21:19 GMT 1
No big loss; A bit of compensation cash and some extra from our chairman should be enough to replace him.
Good luck but I fear as Dancin says he will do what Asamoah did and flop
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 15:24:58 GMT 1
Good luck Chris I hope your performances in Scotland come back to haunt Simpson and Bickerton. You really do let yourself down at times Ed. Where does all this bitterness come from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 15:27:41 GMT 1
he was always BRILLIANT against Dagenham - shame he wasn't that consistent all the time or he'd be rubbing shoulders with the likes of Kaka & Ronaldo every week and we'd have 50 million in the bank - or some such amount
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Post by Shrewd Operator on Jul 15, 2009 15:30:01 GMT 1
Good luck Chris I hope your performances in Scotland come back to haunt Simpson and Bickerton. You really do let yourself down at times Ed. Where does all this bitterness come from? So Ed is wrong in thinking this mess with out of contract players is not Bickerton and Simpson's fault ?
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Post by glasgowshrew on Jul 15, 2009 15:34:40 GMT 1
Good luck but I fear as Dancin says he will do what Asamoah did and flop Dancin may be right in the long term but these are two completely different types of players arriving in different circumstances. Humpreys has a chance having come in at the beginning of the season, played games in the last year and is part of a managers long term plan Asamoah was nothing more than a trialist in reality and after training with the club, getting a few run outs on the pitch was not deemed as being good enough for the lower ends of the SPL (Hamilton have a lot better payers than him)
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 15, 2009 15:41:26 GMT 1
I've not seen much of him granted but I think he is a loss in that I think he did have the potential to become a very good player. Next season and maybe one or to that follow I dont think we will miss him but as a future star at the club I think we could have missed out here...
Anyhows, best of luck to him...
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Post by BigBadSagi on Jul 15, 2009 15:44:09 GMT 1
If it is the case that we do not receive compensation it is not the first time this has happened. York got stung by Hibs with Clayton Donaldson (now crewe) transfering between countries Link------> No compensation So as he is not 23 until September, we will be entitled to a fee. Am I wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 15:46:41 GMT 1
You really do let yourself down at times Ed. Where does all this bitterness come from? So Ed is wrong in thinking this mess with out of contract players is not Bickerton and Simpson's fault ? I'm not interested in who's "fault" any of this is - I have no doubt Ed and others would have been slagging Simpson and Bickerton off even if we had tied players like Humphrey down to a contract in January. My question was one for Ed - he appears to have some sort of personal vendetta against Simpson and Bickerton which undermines the credibility of his arguments. I was wondering where it came from.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Jul 15, 2009 15:59:27 GMT 1
I am really sorry to see Humphrey go. he was one of our better players last season and was improving constantly. I don't blame him for moving though; it is a big leap from our division to the SPL. Good luck Chris, I hope you do well.
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Post by drhopster on Jul 15, 2009 15:59:37 GMT 1
good luck too chris ,but scottish football is cack
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Post by shrewed54 on Jul 15, 2009 16:04:46 GMT 1
So Ed is wrong in thinking this mess with out of contract players is not Bickerton and Simpson's fault ? I'm not interested in who's "fault" any of this is - I have no doubt Ed and others would have been slagging Simpson and Bickerton off even if we had tied players like Humphrey down to a contract in January. My question was one for Ed - he appears to have some sort of personal vendetta against Simpson and Bickerton which undermines the credibility of his arguments. I was wondering where it came from. Vic in my opinion, for what is worth, the Town have lost two of their better players because the club was not prepared to discuss contracts with players before the end of the season and then was not prepared to negotiate with the players, yet the club were prepared to spend in excess of £50k on Dunfield. I now see a team that again in my opinion is far weaker than last season. What do you want me to do stand at the top of Pride Hill and shout that Simpson and Bickerton are the best management team ever. Lets remember last season after spending more than most clubs in the league on transfer fees and wages we ended up 9th best team in the league. It is no vendetta when they achieve something I'll be the first to praise them.
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Post by glasgowshrew on Jul 15, 2009 16:07:33 GMT 1
Am I wrong? I beleive so My understanding is that the key fact it is betreen two different FA's therefore even though Humpreys is not yet 23 makes no difference at all - but then i may be barking up the wrong tree and mad at the same time
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Post by nickjonesey on Jul 15, 2009 16:10:04 GMT 1
Good Luck Chris If a team plays to your strengths and develops your raw talent you could make quite a name for yourself. I'm pretty sure Jim Gannon has seen something in you that he wants to benefit from- an out and out winger! Nick
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Post by Minor on Jul 15, 2009 16:23:12 GMT 1
Good luck to the lad. From the fourth division to european football in one step. I think he'll shine for them. He should have signed for LOW side Llanelli and played agianst them an even bigger step
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Post by BigBadSagi on Jul 15, 2009 16:24:05 GMT 1
Am I wrong? I beleive so My understanding is that the key fact it is betreen two different FA's therefore even though Humpreys is not yet 23 makes no difference at all - but then i may be barking up the wrong tree and mad at the same time "Under FA rules, clubs must receive a payment for out-of-contract players under the age of 24. This rule is in place so that clubs receive a reward for developing young players and, when the two clubs cannot agree a fee, the price is set by a tribunal. Under FIFA rules, however, the player must be under 23" - Quote from the York Press article. The way I read it, says that the age is the key factor, and the fact that he will be 22 until September, leads me to believe that we will be entitled to a fee from Motherwell.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 15, 2009 16:29:31 GMT 1
If thats the case and we are due it, the fee will be more to a club like Motherwell SPL and Europe than say it would have been if it was Blackpool.... or is that a wrong assumptiuon?
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Post by scooter on Jul 15, 2009 16:29:57 GMT 1
I beleive so My understanding is that the key fact it is betreen two different FA's therefore even though Humpreys is not yet 23 makes no difference at all - but then i may be barking up the wrong tree and mad at the same time "Under FA rules, clubs must receive a payment for out-of-contract players under the age of 24. This rule is in place so that clubs receive a reward for developing young players and, when the two clubs cannot agree a fee, the price is set by a tribunal. Under FIFA rules, however, the player must be under 23" - Quote from the York Press article. The way I read it, says that the age is the key factor, and the fact that he will be 22 until September, leads me to believe that we will be entitled to a fee from Motherwell. that assumes that a York local paper has got it right, and that the rules are the same as 2 years ago - I honestly don't have much of a clue on this
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Post by glasgowshrew on Jul 15, 2009 16:38:23 GMT 1
I beleive so My understanding is that the key fact it is betreen two different FA's therefore even though Humpreys is not yet 23 makes no difference at all - but then i may be barking up the wrong tree and mad at the same time "Under FA rules, clubs must receive a payment for out-of-contract players under the age of 24. This rule is in place so that clubs receive a reward for developing young players and, when the two clubs cannot agree a fee, the price is set by a tribunal. Under FIFA rules, however, the player must be under 23" - Quote from the York Press article. The way I read it, says that the age is the key factor, and the fact that he will be 22 until September, leads me to believe that we will be entitled to a fee from Motherwell. Lets hope you are right It seems strange we have yet to see any fee quoted in the press - so god knows what is happening
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Post by shrewed54 on Jul 15, 2009 16:40:28 GMT 1
"Under FA rules, clubs must receive a payment for out-of-contract players under the age of 24. This rule is in place so that clubs receive a reward for developing young players and, when the two clubs cannot agree a fee, the price is set by a tribunal. Under FIFA rules, however, the player must be under 23" - Quote from the York Press article. The way I read it, says that the age is the key factor, and the fact that he will be 22 until September, leads me to believe that we will be entitled to a fee from Motherwell. Lets hope you are right It seems strange we have yet to see any fee quoted in the press - so god knows what is happening What is surprising is there has been nothing on Shrewsweb yet.
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Post by Dan F on Jul 15, 2009 16:42:57 GMT 1
Which suggests one of seven things: - A fee is being agreed
- A fee is being argued
- There's no fee and they don't know how to tell us
- Everybody's gone to Northwich
- Motherwell have announced it too soon
- CH's agent hasn't informed Town
- Ian's on a day off
Last one?
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Post by barrynic on Jul 15, 2009 16:46:41 GMT 1
Maybe Ian is miffed because the news broke on here first - like it usually does.
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Post by creature on Jul 15, 2009 16:47:56 GMT 1
This is one for the record books Jonah and I agreeing, I honestly believe that today the club has lost a good player and one given the right support on the field could be a very good player. I some of the really good creative midfield players the Town have had over the years had been around to feed Humphrey behind the full back we would be in Division 1 now. Unfortunately the last player the Town had to do that was Jemson. Good luck Chris I hope your performances in Scotland come back to haunt Simpson and Bickerton. Two of my greatest pleasures as a Town fan are watching exciting wingers (even if they are mostly unpredictable), and watching young talent develop. I hope the club learns its lesson and makes sure that in future all of our saleable assets are offered contracts before they get into the last year of their existing deal. I'm afraid the handling of contracts lately has been amateurish. All the best, Hump
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Post by barrynic on Jul 15, 2009 16:59:18 GMT 1
Good post --- Ben Davies and possibly Hump should have been signed up halfway through last season.
That quality bit of work has cost us about £200,000 that should have been put back into the team.
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Post by shrewswill on Jul 15, 2009 17:00:31 GMT 1
We have now lost are 3 most creative players Humphrey, Davies and Pugh Sort contracts out beforehand Simmo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 17:35:00 GMT 1
Nothing to suggest Davies would have signed?
And the club wanted rid of Pugh
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Post by creature on Jul 15, 2009 17:42:26 GMT 1
I think if Davies had turned down a deal, say during 2007-08, and again now, then the club have done all that they could. However if I was in charge, I would have let the fans know this sequence of events on his departure
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