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Post by Foxie Guest on Mar 17, 2004 15:04:43 GMT 1
I have not posted much on B & A recently because usually the glass is half full with me, but it has'nt this season, because of last year I have tried to look at things realistically and my gut feeling all season has been we would fall at the playoff semi-final stage, God I hope Iam wrong.
I suppose when go through experiences as last night you realise supporting Shrewsbury Town is no easy thing. Problem is we have suffered so much over the last 10 years we desperately crave for a change in fortunes. My feeling is because of ST league history most fans expectation for this season has been to high, and that JQ has failed if he has not delivered promotion this season and everyone is setting themselves up for a massive disapointment if it doesnt happen. Well take a reality check guys and look at last seasons table and the extent the team needed to be changed. There may not be much in terms of the quality of football in the Conference, but it is tough and the Town are still lacking that physical presence IMO. After the last few games for some the penny has finally dropped that although we might get in the playoffs there is a big doubt whether we have enough quality to win them.
It is still possible but the next 2 games are massive, if we win them we are probably 5 points of ensuring the Play offs with 8 games to go, if we don't it could become a close run thing and Dejavu 1993. lets hope not, but please remember we have'nt even reached the Play offs yet. .
One thing last night standing on the East Terrace soon as we went 1-0 down, fans did nothing but slag the team down, I know we need something to shout about but we still had 75 minutes to go. As supporters we are sh!t and need to get behind the team!
As for JQ, I believe he is the right manager at this moment in time, he knows the Conference and although some may disregard this comment but you only have to look at Northwich's fortunes this season. His remit is a tough one, and for many he will have failed if we don't make an immediate return. Well it has'nt been done for 15 years and if we do succeed will be one hell of an achievement for the first season, considering the state of our team last season.
We have to take the positives which are left for this season, at least we will not have to play 3 games in a week, the Play Offs are well in reach, try and spur ST to grind results and pressure Chester.
It will be harder next season, because the squad will be trimmed, that we can be sure of, we need to pull together for another Great Escape, Out of this Sh** H*** of a league.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 15:23:27 GMT 1
Some excellent points- there is only so long you can dwell on last night- if the Telford thing means so much to people then we have a second chance very soon- but the priority now is to help the team into the play-offs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 15:50:33 GMT 1
Forget Telford Paul, for me we once again showed
a) Our lack of ability to stand up and be counted in a battle
b) Our inabaility to get results away from home.
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Post by StrettonBlue on Mar 17, 2004 15:59:47 GMT 1
Last night showed up the real state of our club.
A manager with no idea, a team with no passion for a 'no team talk needed' local derby and arrogant directors walking around telling people 'at least we will not be in this league next season'.
Last night has been coming. The painful thing was, that it should happen against Telford.
No Foxie, he is not the man for the job. He is never going to admit he got it wrong.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 17, 2004 16:00:03 GMT 1
I agree with what you say about the legacy fans and the manager carry from previous seasons, but my complaint is about this season. - No central defensive cover. - No left back - No-one to play wide right - Derby, Rodgers, Cramb, Banim, Lowe - 2 of these are superfluous to requirements - No consistancy of formation or tactics - Not knowing the best striker combination - Dodgy signings, Rioch, Fitz, Bell. I believe that the pool of playing talent at this level is much of a muchness and the task of the manager is to recruit players who will play in the way he wants and in a formation they understand and are comfortable with and have the personal qualities to work as a team and fight for the shirt. Marks out of 10 please
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Post by Baafly on Mar 17, 2004 16:03:03 GMT 1
Forget about the past. Whatever our opinions, what we all want, and all that we want, is to achieve promotion. And, perhaps despite some performances, we're in a reasonable position to do just that this season.
But what we, as fans, should be asking ourselves is "Are we helping at all?"
Are the players struggling to fulfill their potential because the pitches are sh!te? Because the opposition's good? Or because it's difficult to play good football when you're running around with the crowd camped out on your back?
To me, it looks as if the lads are nervous and edgy (this, unfortunately, shows up most in front of goal, which is where confidence is most needed). Are the players nervous because too many of us slag them off as soon as a mistake is made, or something goes wrong?
And don't come back with the "they're grown men, they can take it" line. I don't care how grown up they are, you'd need skin thicker than a rhino's to be confident in such circumstances.
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Post by FOXIE GUEST on Mar 17, 2004 16:20:18 GMT 1
who is the man then Stretton Blue
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Mar 17, 2004 16:23:17 GMT 1
fair enough, but if any of us performed as badly and inconsistently in our jobs as some of our players and not putting enough effort in, how long would it be before we got the sack?
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 17, 2004 16:25:25 GMT 1
Rioch as virtually had the sack....... hasn't he? Who's next tho'
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Post by StrettonBlue on Mar 17, 2004 16:37:30 GMT 1
Why do people always come back with the 'well who is the man for the job then' quote?
Last summer when he was appointed i said 'not the right appointment'. The board of directors had the list of applicants not me so maybe you should ask them, firstly why him and secondly who else applied and then i'll tell you who i thought would have been my personal choice.
Thats all it is a gut feeling and personal choice. But who else carries the can if he isn't the right man?
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Post by Joe Totale on Mar 17, 2004 16:57:12 GMT 1
Graham Turner is the man for the job IMO.
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Post by His agent on Mar 17, 2004 19:43:46 GMT 1
People have made reference to the Carlisle game of last yr.
That night Roddy Collins sent out his men with one goal in mind. A pressure situation for him & his troops and they got the job done.
I dont see JQ having that much influence on, im my opinion, a more talented team. Who knows where we'd be if we were more organised as unit of 11 players playing for a common cause with clear instruction?
I aint saying he's the next manager, far from it, but there are aspects to his management which JQ appears to be lacking.
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Post by shrewsbadger on Mar 17, 2004 19:51:07 GMT 1
Couldn't agree more foxie! Lets get this whole thing into perspective
At the end of the day we've lost a game of football. Telford played better than us last night and deserved to win. There is no disgrace in losing to a better team. What will be a disgrace is if we don't learn from this and pick ourselves up for what is ultimatly the most important two months of this football clubs history. Yes we should be better than Telford and in reality we are, a little more composure on the ball and confidence in front of the net and I think we can still turn this season in to a major positive.
So Telford fans gloated last night and will for weeks, hell it's not as if being Shrewsbury supporters we aren't used to being mocked. Let them have their glory, and lets hope that come May we know we will never have to return to the squalid little town ever again.
Now is not the time to turn against the town, but to stand taller and shout louder, we must not surrender the title to chester, without a fight. Above all we must believe, and make sure that the players see that belief.
Remember we are 3rd in the division, with a team mainly consisting of newcomers, we are not doing badly!
(ps. I've calmed down from last night as it might have been a bit more agitated)
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 17, 2004 19:54:59 GMT 1
I think the Telford fixture has brought it to a head. Its hit the nail on the head that this season has basically been rubbish. How many others had thought some years ago that we would lose to Telford in a competitive fixture and actually deserve to lose? I didnt
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Post by seanbroseey on Mar 18, 2004 0:19:58 GMT 1
Why do people always come back with the 'well who is the man for the job then' quote? Last summer when he was appointed i said 'not the right appointment'. The board of directors had the list of applicants not me so maybe you should ask them, firstly why him and secondly who else applied and then i'll tell you who i thought would have been my personal choice. Correct. The Quinn Reaper is a good salesman. He's talked himself into the job and he said all the right things pre-season but for months there has been a gap between the words and action. He's had terrific support from the board but he's not up to it.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 18, 2004 0:23:17 GMT 1
Steam rolling teams in the last 15 mins comes to mind
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Post by peterjones1 on Mar 18, 2004 0:26:14 GMT 1
Correct. The Quinn Reaper is a good salesman. He's talked himself into the job and he said all the right things pre-season but for months there has been a gap between the words and action. He's had terrific support from the board but he's not up to it. Spot on Sean, he talks a good game and says (generally) what the fans want to hear, but he always seems to fail to deliver. Not good enough.
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