Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 18:06:58 GMT 1
BilBoBiggins said:
A pre match tannoy messege could be the way forward
Any spectator heard or seen to sing the No Surrender song or any other song deemed to be unacceptable by STFC will be ejected from the ground and banned for life!
It might be enough to stop these KIDS from being complete and utter A*******s
I think its the ring leaders who need ejecting, they arn't kids some them are our age Bilbo
Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 18:15:17 GMT 1
BilBoBiggins said:
What I could see MS they all seemed to be 19 and under.
Really, I think JP has seen one or two who went to Chester last season, one of which I'm sure was 45ish, I know the majority are kids, there are just 3-4 pulling the strings still
the no surrender song is a strange one, is it racist? are the words actaully offensive? and if not how can you tell someone to stop chanting it?
on the bottle throwing, did everyone who saw it report itm will they be able to 100% say who threw it and identify the person? will they stand up in court if needs be and testify that person threw it so they can be banned?
if the stewards go in and do a snatch what would the reaction be? last time they did there was outrage on here if i remember correctly, shouts of the wrong people being pulled out, he was doing nothing etc...
The views above are my personal ones, most people won't agree with them but that's ok with me.
Surely common sense would prevail. Banter is OK, but songs like Shropshire ambulance, bottles and hammers hatchets and spanners doesn't really portray friendly behaviour. Im sure the team would appreciate more encouragement towards them than agression towards the opposition supporters?
But who's common sense because I for one know of a number of individuals that deem themselves to have a lot of common sense, but really they haven't.
And as for this particular song I like it so why should I not join in when it is sang.
And all the people that are whinging about this song and that song not be nice towards the opposition supporters - well what do you think they are doing just standing cheering their team on or might they just be doing the same thing.
Admittedly Ian it is difficult to Police the situation, but considering these mindless thugs are there every home game by the buffet. Surely a permenant cctv set up should be installed so nowt will be missed and the stewards would have the evidence they need to evict
ianwhit
Northern Premier League Division One Midlands
the no surrender song is a strange one, is it racist? are the words actaully offensive? and if not how can you tell someone to stop chanting it?
on the bottle throwing, did everyone who saw it report itm will they be able to 100% say who threw it and identify the person? will they stand up in court if needs be and testify that person threw it so they can be banned?
if the stewards go in and do a snatch what would the reaction be? last time they did there was outrage on here if i remember correctly, shouts of the wrong people being pulled out, he was doing nothing etc...
Well at last someone making sensible points - No in my opinion its not racist, but even if the people who were to sing it were to end the song at the point where it states "Keep me English till my Dying Day" would people approve or would they be oblivious to it due to their booing.
Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 18:37:34 GMT 1
BilBoBiggins said:
Admittedly Ian it is difficult to Police the situation, but considering these mindless thugs are there every home game by the buffet. Surely a permenant cctv set up should be installed so nowt will be missed and the stewards would have the evidence they need to evict
it would have to be infared. The situation can't be dealt with that easily, moron's yes, but experienced one's.
The beggar is at matches you are except for 15 mins looking forwards, Whitters that web cam thats is taking pictures of the window sill, get an extension cable and pop it just above the buffet ;D
ianwhit
Northern Premier League Division One Midlands
If it was publically owned stadium then you'd have to go to court to ban them.
oui???
blame culture that we live in, if we ban someone then i'm sure we'd need a good legal reason to do it or else we could find ourselves up in court for banning without good or proper reason(or something like that)
The views above are my personal ones, most people won't agree with them but that's ok with me.
Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 18:57:05 GMT 1
DaveP200 said:
But who's common sense because I for one know of a number of individuals that deem themselves to have a lot of common sense, but really they haven't.
And as for this particular song I like it so why should I not join in when it is sang.
And all the people that are whinging about this song and that song not be nice towards the opposition supporters - well what do you think they are doing just standing cheering their team on or might they just be doing the same thing.
please tell me whats right with this
My old man said follow the Town And don't dilly dally on the way We'll take the Station End and all that's in it All get your boots on, we'll be there in a minute With bottles and hammers, hatchets and spanners We don't care what the ****ing coppers say 'Cos we are the boys from the Gay, Gay Meadow
It is violent, belongs in the past. keep the tune change the words
Post by Steve Rogerson on Apr 26, 2005 19:00:01 GMT 1
ianwhit said:
the no surrender song is a strange one, is it racist? are the words actaully offensive? and if not how can you tell someone to stop chanting it?
The point here is that they are chanting it for one reason only and that is to be antagonistic to people around them, and that in itself is enough for the club to stop them singing it. The main reason for it being antagonistic, apart from it having nothing to do with football, is that it is a theme song of Combat 18, the organisation that is so racially thuggish that even the BNP won't have them.
Well at last someone making sensible points - No in my opinion its not racist, but even if the people who were to sing it were to end the song at the point where it states "Keep me English till my Dying Day" would people approve or would they be oblivious to it due to their booing.
at what point do they sing that last bit? NEVER
that part is only ever sung elsewhere at the meadow u get "...no surrender to the ira!" not " keep me english to my dieing day!"
My old man said follow the Town And don't dilly dally on the way We'll take the Station End and all that's in it All get your boots on, we'll be there in a minute With bottles and hammers, hatchets and spanners We don't care what the ****ing coppers say 'Cos we are the boys from the Gay, Gay Meadow
It is violent, belongs in the past. keep the tune change the words
At no point did I say it is right, just that I like the song - well go on now tell me that I am wrong.
We seem to live in a society that wants to change everything.
We live in a democracy in which I can make decisions for myself because I know I must live with any consequences such as walking home after a pleasant evening out and choosing one of two route's home which resulted in a so called individual and his associates attempting to kick me to death. And they got away with it through the Courts because in this Country Money talks (If you can afford a good lawyer your laughing).
So now I wait because I believe what goes around comes around and I will enjoy reading, however, long it takes they will receive what they deserve.
Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 20:26:21 GMT 1
DaveP200 said:
At no point did I say it is right, just that I like the song - well go on now tell me that I am wrong.
We seem to live in a society that wants to change everything.
We live in a democracy in which I can make decisions for myself because I know I must live with any consequences such as walking home after a pleasant evening out and choosing one of two route's home which resulted in a so called individual and his associates attempting to kick me to death. And they got away with it through the Courts because in this Country Money talks (If you can afford a good lawyer your laughing).
So now I wait because I believe what goes around comes around and I will enjoy reading, however, long it takes they will receive what they deserve.
i'm not being funny but why do you like the song, its just so aggresive.
one of the mob who sing the IRA song left my Bro' for dead, one witness too petrified to say anything, but at least they didn't leave him to die.
i'm not being funny but why do you like the song, its just so aggresive.
one of the mob who sing the IRA song left my Bro' for dead, one witness too petrified to say anything, but at least they didn't leave him to die.
Its all bravado and hot air songs like this have always been sang and I for one has grown up with them and make my choice what to join in with and what not.
There is a real difference between singing songs and actually doing something agressive, but then again thats my opinion.
But I must say looking at the majority of this thread it was all suppost to be about a bottle being thrown at the match but then suddenly all the keyboard warriors start moaning about all the songs that are song that they don't like.
Why they don't approach the club as Ian Whitfield has stated and make an official complaint and go on record with any evidence they have and then the club may be able to investigate or look at ways of reducing the likelyhood of an Offence like this taking place again.
Because I may be wrong but isn't the incident a criminal offence. (Just like so many other things)
Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 21:41:12 GMT 1
DaveP200 said:
Its all bravado and hot air songs like this have always been sang and I for one has grown up with them and make my choice what to join in with and what not.
There is a real difference between singing songs and actually doing something agressive, but then again thats my opinion.
But I must say looking at the majority of this thread it was all suppost to be about a bottle being thrown at the match but then suddenly all the keyboard warriors start moaning about all the songs that are song that they don't like.
Why they don't approach the club as Ian Whitfield has stated and make an official complaint and go on record with any evidence they have and then the club may be able to investigate or look at ways of reducing the likelyhood of an Offence like this taking place again.
Because I may be wrong but isn't the incident a criminal offence. (Just like so many other things)
Its all been reported to both the club and the police, sorry I though that had been made clear earlier, mind you it reads like a book now. I understand your reason's on the song, but does everyone else? Do the opposition? some people are not concerned about the no surrender song, mostly because they are not aware that it is the anthem for combat18, is there anything wrong now, with wanting a family atmosphere? it can still be loud and at time intimidating without songs that suggest violence.
Mostly because i have never heard this song being sung, i am struggling a little to see why it is offensive. I understand the association with combat 18 is very undesirable and very silly, and also if its the ebf anthem , why meole shrew dislikes it (I had my jaw broke by the ebf a few years ago ). Does anyone have / know a link to the words. PM me if you like.
I like to have an opinion on most things , but im struggling at the mo cos i just dont understand.
People should not throw bottles, and if the offender is identified he/she should be thrown out/banned/prosecuted. No argument.
But I think people are going a bit over the top about the songs. I don't stand there, and don't sing unpleasant songs, at least not since Town fans still stood in the Station End.
But if the songs are not racist and not even swearing, I don't see what reason you can use to ban people from singing them. If you wan't to boo them, carry on, but I think you will expect to have arguments about that (but not a bottle chucked at your head)
Post by Blue_is_the_colour on Apr 26, 2005 21:57:16 GMT 1
ant said:
Firstly, there are a lot of good folk who stand up the top of the riverside who don't agree with the chanting and behaviour etc
Well done Duncan for comfronting em.
Thanks, i do stand up there at times, or usually slightly infront ... a step down from the buffay (sp) ... and there is a group of 5 or so of us, that go as a group, and each and everyone of us are big town fans, ... one lad rod (not rod off here) goes home and away, and is not one of these pricks
but i do see your concerns, the usual ones usually are a bit futher over known as the "left side" ... and a right tossers as you say, dressed as burburry clad muppets spoiling the enjoyment for the real fans
I wish that bottle had hit JP on the head in the first place, we wouldn't have had all this bother since.
I really hope you are being sarcastic...I looked at that and thought "well flip you"
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