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Post by silly on Apr 25, 2005 20:14:43 GMT 1
Why tell a selection of users halfway through a thread that you have sent them a PM Surely they will see they have a new PM as soon as they click on any page
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Post by PorkyShrew on Apr 25, 2005 20:16:26 GMT 1
Why tell a selection of users halfway through a thread that you have sent them a PM Surely they will see they have a new PM as soon as they click on any page sometimes i dont notice i have a pm
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on Apr 25, 2005 20:16:50 GMT 1
Why tell a selection of users halfway through a thread that you have sent them a PM Surely they will see they have a new PM as soon as they click on any page Not if they are like me and don't bother logging in most of the time!
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Post by john on Apr 25, 2005 20:18:23 GMT 1
Why tell a selection of users halfway through a thread that you have sent them a PM Surely they will see they have a new PM as soon as they click on any page Your the silly one...use your normally registered name
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Post by silly on Apr 25, 2005 20:29:23 GMT 1
Your the silly one...use your normally registered name Why am I silly.?? I have registered but cannot log in as my software blocks cookies. I wish I could log in as I am missing out on PMs here. Oh and don't call me silly, you're the silly one.
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Post by PorkyShrew on Apr 25, 2005 20:34:33 GMT 1
Why am I silly.?? I have registered but cannot log in as my software blocks cookies. I wish I could log in as I am missing out on PMs here. Oh and don't call me silly, you're the silly one.
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Post by john on Apr 25, 2005 20:35:13 GMT 1
Why am I silly.?? I have registered but cannot log in as my software blocks cookies. I wish I could log in as I am missing out on PMs here. Oh and don't call me silly, you're the silly one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2005 20:47:18 GMT 1
purley and simpley Rob cos i know what they currently pay the STFC stewards and i know what Stewarding companies charge, for the price of 1 steward from a company to the STFC would be able to employ 3. The problem with STFC is trying to recruit and retain what they have on current budget.........you get what you pay for.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2005 20:53:14 GMT 1
WelshShrew , I just don't get you ? Well, I'll type more slowly then. I was just trying to put an argument against PaulDownward's view that to 'join up' is to help the fight against terrorism. Which I think is b******s. As for the rest of Paul's points on this thread, he talks a lot of sense. Back to the stewarding issue though, ho wmuch does a steward at STFC get? I know they get £24 worth of free tickets which generally go to people already going to the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2005 21:21:48 GMT 1
Just to give you all an idea on the cost of an external company, this is a rough guide as to what it would cost
Chief Steward, 7 hours @£18ph
Steward Supervisors 5 Hours @ 14ph, would need 1 per stand and 1 response minimum
Response Stewards 5 Hours @£13ph, Would need a min of 10, 2 teams of 5
General Steward 4 Hours @£9ph, Hazard a guess of minimum of 25 for gay meadow
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2005 21:32:55 GMT 1
Just to give you all an idea on the cost of an external company, this is a rough guide as to what it would cost Chief Steward, 7 hours @£18ph Steward Supervisors 5 Hours @ 14ph, would need 1 per stand and 1 response minimum Response Stewards 5 Hours @£13ph, Would need a min of 10, 2 teams of 5 General Steward 4 Hours @£9ph, Hazard a guess of minimum of 25 for gay meadow Paul, including the £24 worth of match tickets, do the stewards at GM get around £36 altogether?
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Apr 25, 2005 23:33:35 GMT 1
The thing is, the club also pay for the police presence. If there is a situation where the stewards feel intimidated or threatened by a group of idiots, then surely they can call on the police for help. That's what they are there for.
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Post by rob on Apr 25, 2005 23:35:44 GMT 1
The club only pay for the police who are in the Meadow. Most clubs keep the police out of the ground as long as possible so as to avoid being passed the bill that would otherwise be picked up by the taxpayer
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 26, 2005 7:09:33 GMT 1
When considering Health & Safety issues, and comparing the relative costs of various options, it should be remembered that having been made aware of such an incident, the club has certain legal responsibilities. There should be a risk assessment carried out, followed by whatever action is necessary to prevent a reccurence. If this is not done, and a similar incident happens again, particularly if someone is seriously injured, the club and it's Directors could well face prosecution by the Health & Safety Executive. Any punishment handed down by the courts would be in addition to possible substantial damages awarded to any victim.
Doing nothing, quite frankly, is not an option.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 7:42:35 GMT 1
Doing nothing, quite frankly, is not an option. Quite correct, thats why doing nothing has not,been taken as an option
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 26, 2005 7:52:18 GMT 1
Quite correct, thats why doing nothing has not,been taken as an option Fair enough Wasn't meant to critisise, just point out the possible consequences of further such incidents. Hopefully, behind the scenes, action is being taken. Be aware, however, if someone was seriously injured in another mindless act, from the same area, it wouldn't be the club that decided if an appropriate risk assessment and/or action had been taken, it would be the HSE.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 26, 2005 7:56:55 GMT 1
just point out the possible consequences of further such incidents. Hopefully, behind the scenes, action is being taken. quote]
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 26, 2005 8:31:39 GMT 1
As bad as the incident was I think we need to remember that on the whole most Town fans are good folk and the vast majority of games pass without incident. This is the first time (since I've been watching the Town) I've heard of owt like this happening at the Meadow...I just think folk asking for improved stewarding and the like is a knee jerk reaction to this one isolated incident. I personally do not think additional stewards or a more 'professional' external company can prevent this type of thing happening. As rum as it is its just one of those things. I mean its just one chap in 4,000 int it...not yobs, a yob.
It should be reported to the club and the police (which I believe it has been) and they should then make all efforts to try and find out who the fella was who threw the bottle as best they can with the options open to them. I would have thought CCTV would be on that section of the ground for the most part anyhows?
Wouldn't be a bad thing if the chap came out and apologised an all to be honest...
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Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 26, 2005 8:35:21 GMT 1
Is this the longest thread ever yet ?
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Post by Loud and Proud on Apr 26, 2005 12:49:12 GMT 1
It is a Combat 18 song We are not in Combat 18 The people who sing it aren't in Combat 18 It is pointless and offensive It has been sung for several years. booing it stopped it being sung, to say it has made it worse is ludicrous, i used to hear it nearly every week, since it was booed I don't hear it that often. I don't support those that sing this song, however, to say it has not been sang that often is stupid because from where I stand at the back of the Riverside it has been sang at every home game this season on at least one occasion. To boo it has lead to this confrontation in my opinion, instead I feel individuals could have acted better by officially complaining to the club who may of been able to deal with the situation in a professional way. (Then again that would of meant someone having the B*lls to actually do it)
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 26, 2005 12:50:59 GMT 1
I stand in front of the buffet and I rarely hear it now
and if I do it is greeted with a chorus of booing
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Post by bristolloggerheads on Apr 26, 2005 16:02:42 GMT 1
rarely? All too often I'm afraid.
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Post by Afro on Apr 26, 2005 16:49:43 GMT 1
'No surrender' taken lyrically has absolutely no problems. It's fine to keep St George in your heart, and I have no problem with anyone who believes the IRA needs to be killed off in order to move forward the peace process in Northern Ireland. The song however is one that was started by the Combat 18 scumbags, and the knob-ends who join in in singing this know this, and that is why it's sung, and that's why so many of us find it offensive. I was just grazing as you do and this post is from page 2, i'm not sure how dramatic the topic has changed but Im just going to take it back. THe main reason the song is sung is because it gets people annoyed i think, and i doubt that hardly anyone who sings it actually realises that combat 18 thing your on about. The song may have been started by these people but is carried on by people who dont know the meaning of it and just sing it because it gets a bad reaction and annoys people, until stewards or a similar breed of people do something it'l most probably continue
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Post by Afro on Apr 26, 2005 17:04:29 GMT 1
I don't support those that sing this song, however, to say it has not been sang that often is stupid because from where I stand at the back of the Riverside it has been sang at every home game this season on at least one occasion. To boo it has lead to this confrontation in my opinion, instead I feel individuals could have acted better by officially complaining to the club who may of been able to deal with the situation in a professional way. (Then again that would of meant someone having the B*lls to actually do it) I've stood at the back of the riverside for a large chunk of the games this year, but only heard it on 3 or 4 occaisions, it is at best only about 6 or 7 people singing it so doubt it is heard by people within a massive radius. Theses few people just need to get it in their heads through help of a steward that its wrong or it'll continue to be sung
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Post by theriverside on Apr 26, 2005 17:34:46 GMT 1
I've stood at the back of the riverside for a large chunk of the games this year, but only heard it on 3 or 4 occaisions, it is at best only about 6 or 7 people singing it so doubt it is heard by people within a massive radius. Theses few people just need to get it in their heads through help of a steward that its wrong or it'll continue to be sung I'd multiply those figures by around 4 or 5 Afro. I stand no more than 5 yds from where you usually are and it's sung at almost every game with varying levels of volume, but I'd say at least 20-25 are joining in. Repeat performances are generally as a result of the boos, not that I'd suggest that the booing stopped. It will take some selective firm action from STFC for anything to be done about it though.
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Post by Southern Fried Afro on Apr 26, 2005 17:37:44 GMT 1
Well, i have got that habbit of dividing everything by 4, the wakeman end is much more relaxed anyway
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 26, 2005 17:42:42 GMT 1
A pre match tannoy messege could be the way forward Any spectator heard or seen to sing the No Surrender song or any other song deemed to be unacceptable by STFC will be ejected from the ground and banned for life! It might be enough to stop these KIDS from being complete and utter A*******s
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Post by DaveP200 on Apr 26, 2005 17:51:09 GMT 1
A pre match tannoy messege could be the way forward Any spectator heard or seen to sing the No Surrender song or any other song deemed to be unacceptable by STFC will be ejected from the ground and banned for life! It might be enough to stop these KIDS from being complete and utter A*******s But who will be the one to judge what can be sang and what cannot. Would it then lead to traditional songs being outlawed.
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 26, 2005 18:02:24 GMT 1
But who will be the one to judge what can be sang and what cannot. Would it then lead to traditional songs being outlawed. Surely common sense would prevail. Banter is OK, but songs like Shropshire ambulance, bottles and hammers hatchets and spanners doesn't really portray friendly behaviour. Im sure the team would appreciate more encouragement towards them than agression towards the opposition supporters?
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 26, 2005 18:05:50 GMT 1
Wow this is a long thread. Wonder what the bottle in question thinks about all this
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