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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 0:59:18 GMT 1
Post by mikeinsheff on Apr 25, 2006 0:59:18 GMT 1
OMG. Too late at night but stannkers, messiah and salopbwoy i shall reply in due course, although i`m not really sure you`ll have any idea what i`m talking about as i`m a do-gooder liberal, apparently! I`m thinking of starting a `clueless muppet party` upon my return to britain; reckon i`ve got 3 votes sorted in salop and atcham, eh!?!
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 1:05:12 GMT 1
Post by Steve Rogerson on Apr 25, 2006 1:05:12 GMT 1
Let's get real here. People who start a thread on this list called "BNP" and say they don't really blame people for voting for them have done this for one reason. They are a BNP supporter and are a piece of racist scum pretending that there is some merit in voting for the BNP.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 1:27:42 GMT 1
Post by CuyahogaBlue on Apr 25, 2006 1:27:42 GMT 1
this is a Shrewsbury Town site,whilst welcoming the many diverse subjects that us fans discuss I resent you coming on here spouting your political agenda,in over 80 posts you have not mentioned our team once. you have registered two months before our elections and I am pretty sure you will disappear very soon after them. I will honestly not vote bnp and unless you can honestly say the same I will see you as being racist. I DO NOT WANT YOU SPREADING PROPAGANDA SO TAKE YOUR RUBBISH ELSEWHERE! How on earth does that figure? Since I've been here, this is the very first thread that I've ever seen related to the BNP. So just because I'd consider voting BNP -that makes me a racist? What utter nonsense! Spreading propaganda?? ... I've joined a debate and a few 'liberal'- lefties are starting to chuck their toys out pram. How about trying to counter my views in a rational, adult manner - Or is it true what they say - A liberal's definition of a 'racist' is anyone who can beat them in a debate, 84 posts Salopboy, and as far as I could see, not one on Shrewsbury Town. You contributed to the Golliwog discussion, you had a comment on Galloway, you've talked about the need for the Death Penalty, you've talked about the desire for National Service. etc etc. You have not countered or endorsed the BNP assertion that humans are not created equal - as an individual who has endorsed the BNP, do you agree that humans are not created equal? Not everyone who votes for the BNP is a racist, but racists surely find a welcoming home in the BNP.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 3:34:37 GMT 1
Post by Some Guy on Apr 25, 2006 3:34:37 GMT 1
Wow 'Dand'... so you're "not a racist", but you're complaining that there are too many non-white people around for your liking? And you think blue-eyed white people will be extinct in 100 years? You think we should take steps now to prevent this from happening, so that you can walk down the street without seeing oh-so-horrible non-caucasian faces? Maybe we should just start practising eugenics so that we can build a race of white ubermenschen!
Think about what you're saying, you utter moron.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 6:30:37 GMT 1
Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 25, 2006 6:30:37 GMT 1
OMG. I`m thinking of starting a `clueless muppet party` Why not just join the present government Mike, its the same thing ?
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 7:42:44 GMT 1
Post by Jonah on Apr 25, 2006 7:42:44 GMT 1
You lot want to be ashamed of yourselves. Why jump to the conclusion that anyone thinks of voting for BNP are racists?
If someone has a view different from yours then respect it and argue it sensibly without the pathetic name calling.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 7:52:57 GMT 1
Post by indianwells on Apr 25, 2006 7:52:57 GMT 1
All the BNP candidates look like Britneys minders.
And I can't stand Ms.Spears so i'm not voting for 'em.
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salopboy
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 8:26:37 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 8:26:37 GMT 1
How on earth does that figure? Since I've been here, this is the very first thread that I've ever seen related to the BNP. So just because I'd consider voting BNP -that makes me a racist? What utter nonsense! Spreading propaganda?? ... I've joined a debate and a few 'liberal'- lefties are starting to chuck their toys out pram. How about trying to counter my views in a rational, adult manner - Or is it true what they say - A liberal's definition of a 'racist' is anyone who can beat them in a debate, 84 posts Salopboy, and as far as I could see, not one on Shrewsbury Town. You contributed to the Golliwog discussion, you had a comment on Galloway, you've talked about the need for the Death Penalty, you've talked about the desire for National Service. etc etc. You have not countered or endorsed the BNP assertion that humans are not created equal - as an individual who has endorsed the BNP, do you agree that humans are not created equal? Not everyone who votes for the BNP is a racist, but racists surely find a welcoming home in the BNP. Sorry I didn't know it was compulsory to talk about Shrewsbury Town. Where did I ever write that I endorse every BNP policy? Like most people who vote for any party, I agree with a certain percentage - and that includes the BNP's stance on immigration, crime and the EU. If the Tories had it in them to take on these issues then I'd be voting for them instead -but Dave Cameron is more concerned about remolding his once great party into Nu Labour Mk2. People here can hurl abuse if they like but these are issues that concern most people in this country.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 8:42:42 GMT 1
Post by ChrisJ nli on Apr 25, 2006 8:42:42 GMT 1
You lot want to be ashamed of yourselves. Why jump to the conclusion that anyone thinks of voting for BNP are racists? If someone has a view different from yours then respect it and argue it sensibly without the pathetic name calling. No Jonah, you are the one who should be ashamed of yourself. If you can't see that the BNP and its supporters are testing the water here and at the same time pushing their current spin campaign that "No, we're not fascist thugs, just concerned citizens" then tbh you shouldn't be out without a helper and on behalf of the education service that has failed you, I apologise. Let's summarize the arguments so far: "New Labour is nasty so we have to vote BNP." The fist statement may or may not true, but is the second part logically linked? No. "Immigration to the UK is uncontrolled and is a problem." For those of you who believe in states and governments telling you how and where to live your lives, immigration is a legitimate topic for debate, but to say UK immigration is uncontrolled is just nonsense - see the list of recent legislation I posted. Then there's the usual rubbish about 'they're taking our jobs/ houses, getting all the tax money, etc. Usually these stories are proved to be nonsense (or as I call it, 'lies') and I'm still waiting for real evidence that tax-payers' money is being squandered on keeping asylum seekers in luxury. As for this sanctimonious crap about 'arguing without pathetic name-calling', your kind see fit to insult immigrants and Muslims indiscriminately, call anyone who opposes you names (PC do-gooder, lefty loony etc) then get all huffy when someone stands up to you. Tough s**t little man. If you can't stand the heat, p**s off back to your pristine white highlands and turn off the telly. But don't drop your guard 'cos they're eeeeverywhere and the immigrant bogeymen are coming to get you... BOO! Salopboy - how can you have 'beaten me in debate' when you didn't even understand what I wrote? I know you're not the sharpest tool in the box (good job old Dand's here to make you look better eh? I can't reply to that post as I can't stop laughing! I just love the idea that Labour, sorry, Nu Labour, needs to control 'emigration' [sic]!), but really... Oh on the 'Nu' thing, I'm well aware that a range of people may use it and of the NuLabour blog, but I repeat that it is standard issue for BNP and associated types and is a clear marker of your political affiliations, so, no, I don't feel in the slightest bit silly. What's your username on Stormfront btw? Or do you prefer white.org? Tell you what; re-read my posts, answer my arguments and I might have a debate with you, but stop hiding behind all this "I'm not a racist but" b******s. You, Jonah, Dand, Messiah, etc are using this 'concern' about immigration to validate your personal distate for brown skins. That's racism. The BNP is run by people who would legislate to categorise people by race and treat them differently. That's racism. Finish this sentence: people who support racist causes are...
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 8:51:53 GMT 1
Post by shrewslander on Apr 25, 2006 8:51:53 GMT 1
don't you just love statistics 1901-1997 15,600,000 emigrated from Britain, no out going figures are ever taken into account are they. I wonder why not
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Apr 25, 2006 8:59:06 GMT 1
Post by Jonah guest on Apr 25, 2006 8:59:06 GMT 1
'As for this sanctimonious cr@p about 'arguing without pathetic name-calling', your kind see fit to insult immigrants and Muslims indiscriminately, call anyone who opposes you names (PC do-gooder, lefty loony etc) then get all huffy when someone stands up to you. Tough sh!t little man. If you can't stand the heat, p**s off back to your pristine white highlands and turn off the telly. But don't drop your guard 'cos they're eeeeverywhere and the immigrant bogeymen are coming to get you... BOO!'
Sums up exactly what I posted earlier.Pity you have to rant before reading any of my posts. Never have I or would name call or insult people in the pathetic manner that you have lowered yourself to.
Little man eh? tell you what me and you should have a beer sometime.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:05:25 GMT 1
Post by ChrisJ nli on Apr 25, 2006 9:05:25 GMT 1
Little man eh? tell you what me and you should have a beer sometime. I'll assume that's a veiled threat, always a sign you're struggling in an argument, and treat it with the contempt it, and you, deserve. And I'll turn it down because i) I don't drink and ii) I'm fussy about who I don't drink with.
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Apr 25, 2006 9:09:54 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 9:09:54 GMT 1
My limited views having caught up with this thread this morning:
1) Name calling/ abusing other posters takes away credit from your posts, without a doubt.
2) I haven't read fully the posts with no paragraphs/ line breaks in them - now I appreciate why they told us at school not just to write one big block of text!
3) Stutty's posts are spot on... I don't like the BNP but they are offering a different route to what the other 3 main political parties are.
4) As always with politics, I wish parties would stop looking to discredit others and start worrying about themselves. Genuinely I think people would rather associate themselves with one of the main 3 political parties but at the moment their lack of action on some policies is making that hard to do.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:13:28 GMT 1
Post by mysticmurray on Apr 25, 2006 9:13:28 GMT 1
I like cress...
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:17:31 GMT 1
Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 25, 2006 9:17:31 GMT 1
No, I'm not stupid or braindead just someone who's seen the 'joys of diversity' up close and personal. Maybe those who bang on about the 'enrichment' that multiculturalism brings - should try living in these wonderful, vibrant parts of the UK for a few months. It's easy to parrot the lines of the multiculturalists whilst living in leafy, lily-white Shropshire. I deal on a daily basis with a company based just outside Shrewsbury whose workforce, all four of them, are non-English. I love the 'enrichment', the 'joy of diversity' and verbal intercourse with these four. The fact that two are Irish, (North & South) one is Scottish, and the other from Belguim probably does not worry you Salopboy as they dont stand out.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:27:28 GMT 1
Post by indianwells on Apr 25, 2006 9:27:28 GMT 1
No, I'm not stupid or braindead just someone who's seen the 'joys of diversity' up close and personal. Maybe those who bang on about the 'enrichment' that multiculturalism brings - should try living in these wonderful, vibrant parts of the UK for a few months. It's easy to parrot the lines of the multiculturalists whilst living in leafy, lily-white Shropshire. I deal on a daily basis with a company based just outside Shrewsbury whose workforce, all four of them, are non-English. I love the 'enrichment', the 'joy of diversity' and verbal intercourse with these four. The fact that two are Irish, (North & South) one is Scottish, and the other from Belguim probably does not worry you Salopboy as they dont stand out. As long as it's only "verbal"intercourse........
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:29:57 GMT 1
Post by Jonah guest on Apr 25, 2006 9:29:57 GMT 1
I'll assume that's a veiled threat, always a sign you're struggling in an argument, and treat it with the contempt it, and you, deserve. And I'll turn it down because i) I don't drink and ii) I'm fussy about who I don't drink with.[/quote] Continually jumping to incorrect assumptions is a considerable problem you have Chrisj. What I was doing was 1) giving you the chance to buy me a drink. 2) giving you the chance to see that I am far from a small man 3) An oppurtunity to see that i am far from being a BNP racist thug. Me struggle in an argument? Dont think so because what I am good at is seeing both sides. You questioned my education.I will be the first to admit that I never made the most of mine but those who know me will agree it did me no harm. My problem at school was the standard of teachers.It appears that in some areas that standard has not improved. Pity you turned me down me down because you really do sound like a bundle of fun ;D ;D
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:30:30 GMT 1
Post by ratcliffesghost on Apr 25, 2006 9:30:30 GMT 1
No, I'm not stupid or braindead just someone who's seen the 'joys of diversity' up close and personal. Maybe those who bang on about the 'enrichment' that multiculturalism brings - should try living in these wonderful, vibrant parts of the UK for a few months. It's easy to parrot the lines of the multiculturalists whilst living in leafy, lily-white Shropshire. I deal on a daily basis with a company based just outside Shrewsbury whose workforce, all four of them, are non-English. I love the 'enrichment', the 'joy of diversity' and verbal intercourse with these four. The fact that two are Irish, (North & South) one is Scottish, and the other from Belguim probably does not worry you Salopboy as they dont stand out. Lucky git ! I'm stuck with 2 Hereford United fans today - its like being in Charles Darwins waiting room
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:33:14 GMT 1
Post by kickinpretty on Apr 25, 2006 9:33:14 GMT 1
chrisj - I have always wondered from what angle you are coming from as you always steam into these debates on immigration head first - so heres a question which may enlighten -
Are you white and of british descent, by that i mean are you born in the UK,Have parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc. etc. in other words a long line of relations that were born in the UK and are white or are you born in the uk with immigrant parents or an immigrant yourself?
Dont get all defensive about this i just think its important to know from what side of an argument people come from so that what is said can be put into a context.
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 9:46:33 GMT 1
Post by progambler on Apr 25, 2006 9:46:33 GMT 1
My limited views having caught up with this thread this morning: 1) Name calling/ abusing other posters takes away credit from your posts, without a doubt. 2) I haven't read fully the posts with no paragraphs/ line breaks in them - now I appreciate why they told us at school not just to write one big block of text! 3) Stutty's posts are spot on... I don't like the BNP but they are offering a different route to what the other 3 main political parties are. 4) As always with politics, I wish parties would stop looking to discredit others and start worrying about themselves. Genuinely I think people would rather associate themselves with one of the main 3 political parties but at the moment their lack of action on some policies is making that hard to do. Well said boss
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Apr 25, 2006 9:47:46 GMT 1
Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 25, 2006 9:47:46 GMT 1
[/img][/quote] Thats harsh, especially when you really should be at Punchestown for the week
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Apr 25, 2006 9:55:49 GMT 1
Post by gregtheshrew on Apr 25, 2006 9:55:49 GMT 1
For what it's worth i wouldn't vote for the BNP but i can see why in the current climate in this country that they would appeal to some people more than they would have done a few years ago.
If one of the big 3 stood up and said they were going to take a hard stance on immigration then all the talk of a rise in the vote for the BNP would disappear.
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Apr 25, 2006 10:06:45 GMT 1
Post by indianwells on Apr 25, 2006 10:06:45 GMT 1
Here in the Leisure industry over 50% of the work force is non British so we obviously need controlled immigration.The Poles have a fantastic work ethic.Better than some of our "home grown"wasters who expect good money for doing knack all.The key to it all is "controlled"immigration.Would Eastern Bloc countries welcome our Lizzie Bardsley types?Of course not,so why on earth should we accept theirs?
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Apr 25, 2006 10:07:59 GMT 1
Post by Jonah guest on Apr 25, 2006 10:07:59 GMT 1
Not just you, no Jonah On a separate matter, thanks to your continuing plugging of My Com (and a recommendation from fellow board user) you might see an extra sale tomorrow [/quote] Sorry Gareth missed this in the heat of the debate ;D Me plug My-Com? according to some I have neither the education or the intelligence too Have a look at the back of your new season ticket when you get it. Ask George to call me and I will come over for a chat.See you later.
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Apr 25, 2006 10:19:24 GMT 1
Post by theriverside on Apr 25, 2006 10:19:24 GMT 1
Thats a vote for the Greens then.............. ;D ChrisJ, there's no threat in that post from Jonah, totally genuine offer IMO.
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Apr 25, 2006 10:22:45 GMT 1
Post by downy on Apr 25, 2006 10:22:45 GMT 1
Thats a vote for the Greens then.............. ;D ChrisJ, there's no threat in that post from Jonah, totally genuine offer IMO. The thought alone of Jonah making a threat defo not the type
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Apr 25, 2006 10:47:45 GMT 1
Post by mikeinsheff on Apr 25, 2006 10:47:45 GMT 1
Being a democracy, British people are entitled to vote for whichever party they want to and I guess I ought to respect that. However, I don`t see the bnp as a real party. It`s less than ten years since the Monster Raving Loonies were getting more votes! The bnp are happy to put forward candidates with violent criminal records who have fake addresses. Their leader preaches vitriol and freely misquotes the Koran in an effort to stir up fear and hatred. Salopboy, stanners and messiah - you need to do some reading to understand the history of Britain and that might help you realise that the bnp are not representative of our great country. Messiah - I`ll reply to your pm in due course. Going to get some sun now.
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Apr 25, 2006 11:59:27 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 25, 2006 11:59:27 GMT 1
Way too many sweeping generalisations in that post and pure speculation as to why some maybe looking to vote for the BNP. It is this attitude and thinking that’s going to get us nowhere. Rather than try and discuss, understand and appreciate why people may vote for the BNP you look to ridicule them as naive or full of hate… Not ridicule. Too important for that. What I actually did was point out why people who talk about uncontrolled immigration are either misled or lying. I also pointed out that slipping in Islamophobic comments like "90% of conflict is down to Islam" is neither accurate nor relevant to British immigration debate. But I note you haven't challenged that 'sweeping generalisation' have you? Why not? Did you feel comfortable enough with it that its patent absurdity sneaked in under your radar, or do you believe it? I do understand why people vote for the BNP. Same as people have always voted for fascists: they're scared of losing what they have or that they'll never get what others have and they've beeen told lies about a convenient scapegoat. Your attitudes will certainly get us somewhere, but it's somewhere I'd rather not be. Can you deal with any of the facts I posted or would you rather avoid them as they're inconvenient? quote] So why raise that point that "90% of conflict is down to Islam" if it isn’t relevant or accurate? It’s absurd to suggestion that "90% of conflict is down to Islam". However, I can’t recall anyone on B&A suggesting that this is indeed the case? You posted this, no one else. Again, you seem to be making assumptions as to why some people maybe looking to vote BNP. My point is that I believe there are many different reasons why some people maybe looking to vote BNP and not because they are racist or that they believe such absurd statements as the one you mention about Islam. I consider myself someone is more than willing to listen and understand someone point of view that differs from my own. If you can’t do that with regards to the BNP, then fair enough. I would rather have my attitude than someone who makes sweeping generalisations, assumptions and pigeon holes people at the drop of a hat because they see a need (because of the situation they find themselves in) to vote for one political party rather than another. For me, folk like you are just a dangerous as the racists who follow the BNP... I am neither a follower of the BNP or would I ever consider voting for them but I am very interested in why some people maybe now looking to vote BNP. If some people feel alienated by the three main parties and the BNP are the only party speaking to them on matters that concern them, then I can understand why they would vote for them…
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salopboy
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BNP
Apr 25, 2006 12:30:08 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 12:30:08 GMT 1
A YouGov survey released today has revealed that the majority of the British public want a halt to any further immigration. Whether certain posters here like it or not - some BNP policies strike a chord with a great many people.
What the BNP seemed to have lacked up until recently is crediblity - I would have never voted for them five years ago- Ten years, I hadn't even heard of them. But watching the recent news covertage and hearing what their officials and candidates have to say -I reckon they could well be a mainstream political party within the next few years.
The old 'racist' thug', 'criminal' tag doesn't fit anymore -(if it ever really did at all)- especially after seeing their candidates and supporters on the news. They come across as regular men and women of all ages who are just talking plain common sense.With Britain increasingly looking like a 'one party' State, coupled with demise of UKIP -( who many saw as a more respectable version of the BNP) I can only see them getting stronger
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Apr 25, 2006 12:50:02 GMT 1
Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 25, 2006 12:50:02 GMT 1
The old 'racist' thug', 'criminal' tag doesn't fit anymore -(if it ever really did at all) That just about sums it up for me ! Nick Griffin still denies the holocaust actually happened
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