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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2004 20:38:21 GMT 1
anyone else got any views? as you can see from the posts it's a no win situation Maybe, but the club should be picking the strategy which mimimises the trouble...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2004 20:39:41 GMT 1
Ian, from the posts I see a majority favouring all ticket.
What are the arguments against it?
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Apr 25, 2004 20:44:21 GMT 1
I'd be very interested to know why such a game is deemed not to need to be all ticket but Everton and Chelsea were. Personally - I'd think they were all equally attractive to the once a year fan. Should anyone at the club wish to listen to some ideas as to how to help to try and entertain everyone - I have plenty of suggestions following discussions here today so just PM me on the signed in version of ShrewsandRoyals.....and it doesn't involve marching bands!
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Post by pawlo on Apr 25, 2004 20:56:39 GMT 1
Ian, I just dont see the logic of it. You guys made Chester a couple of weeks ago all ticket ( ), Do you think this will be less of a crowd puller? I repeat. These last three games are the most important of the season and people know it. If you could just explain the logic I would happily shut up.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 25, 2004 21:05:37 GMT 1
chester all-ticket police, also why it was moved from bank holiday to tuesday. history between the clubs for fistcuffs so again that came into when the game could be played.
surely it's easier for the fans if the game isn't all ticket? turn up a little earlier and get in.
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Post by Farmershrew on Apr 25, 2004 21:12:05 GMT 1
Shocking decision for the loyal riverside season ticket holders.
It will not help to sell season tickets for next season!
Loyalty must be rewarded and not just taken for granted.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 25, 2004 21:13:40 GMT 1
Now I know I said I would shut up if you explained but. I take your point about crowd trouble. Do you think there will be a nice atmosphere outside the ground if a few hundred people( or more) are locked out, many of whom would be regular and loyal supporters, supper blues, priority cards, season ticket holders ect. By not making it all ticket, are you not inviting boys from other clubs to come and have a look.
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Post by BurbageShrew on Apr 25, 2004 21:29:20 GMT 1
Wrong Decision in my opinion.
The club surely don't need to wait for the police to suggest it is made all ticket? Anyone with common sense can see that it should be all ticket.
I may be repeating what a number of others have already said in here, but what is the point of purchasing a priority card or season ticket?
If you buy a season ticket you are proving your intention to follow the club no matter how poor the performances may be over a nine month season. You could well to go 21 home league matches, plus cup matches plus several away games and then not get in on the day for what is one of the most crucial games in the clubs history.
I would feel like it was a huge kick in the b@lls to be told that my investment of several hundred pounds over the course of the season were appreciated at the time but on this occasion keep your fingers crossed you'll be able to get in.
I am a priority card holder but feel that for next season tis should be re-titled as a "priority (at times) card". As others have said on here earlier ticketing arrangements have worked reasonably well in recent times. If someone complains that they go to lots of games but couldn't get in on this occassion, I would say tough. £5 for a priority card at the start of the season is not an excessive outlay to guarantee a ticket for a big game. If you are that bothered about the club you would get one. BUT in this situation the whole idea is forgotten about.
I can see no other outcome but total chaos and trouble next Monday, no matter what the result on Thursday. The club have had plenty of time to sort out tickets in the last week as they have known we would be at home in the second leg. If normal ticketing arrangements had then been put in place, everyone who wanted a ticket would have had plenty of opportunity to get one.
As for those who say it's not a problem just turn up early. That may be ok for Shrewsbury based fans but for exiles (many of whom will have to travel a much greater distance than me) face the prospect of bank holiday traffic and the thought that if they are not at the ground shortly after lunch then tthey are going to have a wasted journey. An early decision would have allowed plenty of time for tickets to be posted.
So to summise I can see no logical reason for the match to not be all ticket. I am concerned I won't get in but must say that I am far more concerned for season ticket holders who make the effort week in week out.
PS It feels much better to have got that out of my system!!
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Post by wibbin on Apr 25, 2004 22:19:05 GMT 1
Ive got a season ticket for the wakeman stand so surely I have a seat for every game?
I dont want to miss out just because 2000 fairweather fans turn up for their one game a season, and I dont want to have to be in by 6.45 just to get a seat.
It defeats the whole idea of a season ticket
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Post by Bridgnorthshrew on Apr 25, 2004 23:06:01 GMT 1
I do not agree that the club are in a 'no win' situation. It appears to me that 99% of posts on here think it should be all ticket. For what it's worth, I think it beggers belief that it's not an all ticket game and an early decision to reverse the situation 1st thing monday morning will satisfy season ticket holders/super blues/priority card holders. They are the loyal regular supporters and they want all ticket. Whats the problem STFC, sort yourselves out quickly before you really pi@@ your long suffering loyal support off.
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Post by glasgowshrew on Apr 25, 2004 23:17:36 GMT 1
Ian,
I don't know if this would work but why not print the tickets for the maximum legal capacity.
sell them to season ticket holders , priority card holders and general sale etc in advance (as it has been done in the past)
this ensures that those who want a ticket in advance will get them
on the day of the match open different gates for those with and without tickets.
If there are three gates for non ticket holders then split the unsold tickets between them - when these these run out then close the gates.
This meens that if demand exceeds supply then those who could be bothered to get there ticket in advance will get in whatever time they turn up.
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Post by evo16 on Apr 25, 2004 23:23:13 GMT 1
i'll take the title of Mr Slow and ask "what time is kick off on monday?"
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Post by grinfish on Apr 25, 2004 23:27:14 GMT 1
i'll take the title of Mr Slow and ask "what time is kick off on monday?" Erm, same question
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Post by apmaddocks on Apr 25, 2004 23:27:25 GMT 1
Whats the situation with the away end, is that all ticket? If not it is likely Shrews fans who cant get in the home end will invade the away end
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Post by roger grovesFAO Ian on Apr 25, 2004 23:49:31 GMT 1
F.A.O. Ian Whitfield Grate idea to turn up early........so how does that show faith to the season ticket holders and priority card holders who paid their money last year. I can only think of two main reasons why........ 1. you save money 2. you guarantee yourself a ticket for the 'BIG' games.
Show the club these messages......let's hear what they have to say.......or would that induce another of keith Sayfritz's 'stupid statements'
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 25, 2004 23:52:08 GMT 1
"apart from the fact that I will have to listen to Now 1993 over the tannoy for two hours before kick off. " I hope not, I did a CD for the club the other week with up to date stuff on. Admitedly its mainly pop (therefore cr@p) but at least its newer stuff., well apart from Hendrix! Thanks for the warning, I will pack my ear defenders (apart from for the Hendrix)
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 26, 2004 0:02:42 GMT 1
anyone else got any views? as you can see from the posts it's a no win situation A vast majority are in favour of tickets and all the best arguments on this thread support that view. The club can win by doing the right thing and announcing the game as all ticket tomorrow. Myself and 2 friends who are Priority card holders were intending to buy season tickets for next season. We have changed our minds, do you wonder why?
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Post by LeedsShrew on Apr 26, 2004 0:22:16 GMT 1
After missing out on Everton and Chelsea last year to once-a-decade supporters I made sure I got myself a priority card this season.
What was the point???
To me this is a far bigger game than both the big cup ties.
Perhaps we should only give Barnet a tiny allocation
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 26, 2004 0:27:20 GMT 1
on the day of the match open different gates for those with and without tickets. pretty sure that if you make a game all-ticket then you can not sell tickets on the day of the game. kick-off isn't confirmed, if sky pick up the game kick-off could be anything from 12:00 till 7:45pm
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Post by Pilch on Apr 26, 2004 0:34:31 GMT 1
what happened to the "you should have got a priority card" ?
big mistake
we should be selling tickets asap before the barnet game
if season ticket holders,superblues,priority card members,exiles and any of the other 4000 average miss out they will be very upset
why risk it ?
to me this is a far bigger game than everton,chelsea,wrexham,chester
and if we get hammered at barnet then maybe 4000 will turn up and not 8000
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Post by grinfish on Apr 26, 2004 0:43:22 GMT 1
pretty sure that if you make a game all-ticket then you can not sell tickets on the day of the game. kick-off isn't confirmed, if sky pick up the game kick-off could be anything from 12:00 till 7:45pm Better bloody not be noon, still not sure if I've got the afternoon off yet! could live with 5pm though
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Post by BurbageShrew on Apr 26, 2004 0:51:06 GMT 1
There can't really be any argument.
Make it all ticket on Monday. Then have plenty of time to stagger selling tickets in the usual way. Everyone who has gone to the effort to take action and try ensure themselves tickets by purchasing season tickets, super blues, priority cards etc will have the opportunity to get a ticket.
There will still be time for 'part time'/ 'glory hunters' to get a ticket and make it into the ground if they can be @rsed to get a ticket.
So what if all tickets don't sell and it isn't a full house. Surely it would be better for the club to have 6000 'proper fans' in there creating an atmosphere than leave it to chance and have a full house with hundreds of disappointed regulars locked out or worse tryin to get into the away end.
For the sake of a few thousand pounds that could be made on the day, they are willing to alienate a lot of people. I for one would reconsider going to the effort of this year in travelling on a Tuesday night to the likes of Leigh and getting home in the middle of the night if I felt that my efforts wouldn't be rewarded should we be in a similar position next year
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 26, 2004 1:05:05 GMT 1
Ive got a season ticket for the wakeman stand so surely I have a seat for every game? I dont want to miss out just because 2000 fairweather fans turn up for their one game a season, and I dont want to have to be in by 6.45 just to get a seat. It defeats the whole idea of a season ticket The Wakeman Stand is precisely where the most serious problem is. It should get the same prtection as the Centre Stand because it usually more heavily used than the Centre Stand in a normal game.
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Post by DolphinShrew on Apr 26, 2004 1:44:54 GMT 1
It does not need to be made ALL-ticket, the problem for me is that it is NO-ticket (for the Riverside). I can't come very early due to work, I paid for a priority card to guarantee getting into matches just like this one. How can they justify selling me a priority card and then making it worthless? (by not making tickets available for that area of the ground). A case of taking money under false pretences? Just make tickets available for ALL areas of the ground, sold in the usual pecking order. If they are all sold before the game then it has made itself all-ticket. If not then allow pay at the gate for the unsold capacity, lock the cash gates if this sells out but still let ticket holders in. This will satisfy me and also get extra cash in the bank before the first leg result is known.
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on Apr 26, 2004 2:05:07 GMT 1
In the past clubs have been able to make tickets available in advance for games without them being all ticket.
They can then sell out, or the remaining tickets are available on the day if they haven't. That doesn't cause a problem with sales on the day IF it was. It's called advanced sales and I've seen it work well.
I would still like to know what the club will be doing to save my sanity and entertain my 2/4 year old for the anticipated 2 hours before kick off.
"Just turn up early" is a statement that will annoy some people for specific, valid, reasons and concerns. The kids, being delayed when travelling a long distance, people who work in the morning, and even more worrying for me the possible impact of standing that long with an unstable pelvis.
There is an ex-player in his 70's who has a very bad knee and stands on the terrace, and there will be more that will actually struggle to stand for the required length of time. These are real problems - not hysterical thoughts.
That doesn't touch the impression that there was no point in getting a priority card/season ticket/super blues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2004 2:16:34 GMT 1
Sometimes I stand inside the ground from about 2:15. It is tedious. There is no entertainment, crap music, a rubbish selection of overpriced food / drink from the buffets and its not something I enjoy doing. I'm 23, but standing up for a couple of hours is painful on the feet even for me. On Monday I dare say I will down the ground by 1 so I shall be bored to tears for a full two hours before the match and I will get to stand for 4 hours.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Apr 26, 2004 3:07:03 GMT 1
Ian,
Please, please, please show Judy and the board this thread. There can surely be no other decision than to make it all ticket, purely for the sake of the regulars. Why risk alienating the fan base? If regulars fail to get in, then many of them won't be back down GM for a long time as has happened in the past. Why rsik losing diehard fans for the sake of a few glory hunters who won't be there for the bread and butter games next season?
Personally all ticket games are a pain in the rear for me. I have spent a good portion of Sunday on the phone sorting out the ASFC bunch for their Barnet away tickets. Finding out who wants a ticket, collecting the money and then distributing the tickets is a real pain, but I would rather do that and make sure my regulars get tickets, then see it multiplied to cover everyone than see people miss out then vote with their feet by staying away next season.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 26, 2004 8:52:30 GMT 1
Surely if there is any possibility at all that more supporters turn up to watch the match than the Meadow holds then the game should be made all ticket, simple as...
We have had a the best average attendance for the season for a few years, it’s a huge game for us and it’s a bank holiday…and if it isn’t all ticket then I think there is a possibility that people will be locked out and unable to enter the ground. If so, the game should be made all ticket…that’s why they make games all ticket isn’t? When supply can’t meet the demand? Why should you have any chance of turning up to the ground on the day only not to be able to get in to see the game? Make it all ticket…if there are tickets left then sell them on the morning of the game…but everyone who is traveling to the game should know whether they are getting in or not!! Have to ask the club, why have you made other games all ticket in the past? What criteria do they use? Sorry but for me this is nothing more then common sense…
By the way, excellent post by S&R...
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Post by matt on Apr 26, 2004 12:24:52 GMT 1
Just looking at my priority card and noticed the following mysterious statement under the title of 'League Games':
"This card gives priority for a ticket in the specified area up to 30 minutes before kick off subject to availability"
does this imply that it is possible to prevent admission to people who do not have priority cards (or season tickets for that matter?) until 30 minutes before the game? does this mean priority card holders can be given priority afterall? or is the "subject to availability" clause going to kick in and render these cards useless? or is this technically not a league game? so many questions...
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Apr 26, 2004 12:55:50 GMT 1
The game is classed as a FA game. It is a cup game. Season Ticket holders can still buy their seats in the stands.
STFC wont know until Friday morning on the kick off time because Sky have to decide the match they show.
Barnet are not trouble makers. There is no need for Police. STFC are monitoring Barnet ticket sales so the club can let in more fans on the day and utilise the capacity to its fullest.
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